"Certificate of motor insurance question ":
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?v=e&t=68...4
Is that OK?
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"Certificate of motor insurance question ": www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?v=e&t=68...4 Is that OK?
I have just checked that link and my car is on the insurers database
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If you think this is bad wait until we do, or don't, have ID Cards. Only 60 million of them to foul up! I hope this works out for you; I would have thought that in 12 months you would have been seen by a lot of ANPR cameras which would have flagged up a problem.
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I would have thought that in 12 months you would have been seen by a lot of ANPR cameras which would have flagged up a problem.
In the last year i have done 25k miles and been stopped by the police twice, once for a spot check and once for a breaklight out. Both times i showed my insurance and MOT there and then and nothing was said.
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seen by a lot of ANPR cameras which would have flagged up a problem.
No it wouldn't - the car is effectively invisible. Awesome!
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Quite right BP! Rather like an untaxed, no insurance, haven't got a UK licence car from Bulgaria rushing around! My mistake!
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You can actually insure a car even if no corresponding info exist in DVLA database!
Insurers usually allow you to put vehicle details manually if it doesn't exist in the database. Select Make, then model etc. and put reg # yourself.
Consider the tax money as Xmas gift from Santa :)
Highly likely somehow the record got deleted from DVLA database.
BBC watchdog showed that during CRB check, appx 3000 people had wrongly marked as having criminal convictions against them!!!
Drive past all speed cameras as fast as possible :) You car simply does not exist.
Edited by movilogo on 04/12/2008 at 12:02
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Drive past all speed cameras as fast as possible :) You car simply does not exist.
I would feel much better if i didnt have outstanding finance on a car that doesnt seem to exist
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The flip side is:
If it doesn't exist, then they can't seize it. Try witholding payments. ;>)
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Does the existing tax disc carry the reg. no. you assume the car has and are using for your enquiries?
Does it appear genuine?
Can you ring DVLA with it's serial number and see what car it was issued to?
Where was the tax disc issued?
Edited by Hamsafar on 04/12/2008 at 14:23
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I would investigate " very quietly". Your insurance and tax disk both bought in good faith may not be valid for your vehicle.
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I would investigate " very quietly". Your insurance and tax disk both bought in good faith may not be valid for your vehicle.
That is the worry, we have taken the car off the road until it is all sorted out. I have a feeling its not going to be fixed overnight
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The existing tax disc has the correct reg on it, it is also printed on which i think means it has been done at the DVLA office or online. ( not 100% sure about that)
To me it looks perfectly genuine, if its fake then its a very good copy and has convinced 2 seperate police officers
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I would be concerned, the problem is the police could find something iffy with the APNR. Have you checked the VIN numbers to make sure they have not been tampered with?
I really cannot see how the record at the DVLA could have been deleted, there would be systems in place to prevent that happening. Also when a car is scrapepd the record remains on the system. My dad scrapped his Mini in 1984, its still on the DVLA database!
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Ok i am now very worried i have just checked the VIN numbers and although they dont appear to be tampered with the one under the bonnet is totally different to the one on the dashboard
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different VIN numbers you mean?
Call the cops.
You did say that the dealer you bought from was reputable?
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The VIN number appears to be in 2 places, one behind the windscreen at the back of the dash and one under the bonnet. They are both 17 characters in length but both numbers are totally different.
Its a pretty big and well known garage that i purchased the car from
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Sounds like a possible cut and shut, it is also entirely possible for a cut and shut to pass the MOT if it has been done professionaly as the cut marks can be so easily hidden. You would think they make a good job of making sure the VINs match though :(.
Hopefully as I said it is perfectly safe and the car is fine, but with something which might now be safety related you have done the right think to keep the car of the road.
I watched a program a few years back and they took three cut and shuts to be MOT'ed only one of them spotted it. It is not the MOT inspectors fault, it was just the job was so well done.
Good luck and I really do hope the end of the outcome is good.
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The problem is if the car is cloned or what ever and it is not your car, you will still owe the money on the car :(.
I always make a point of HPing any car (I did even for my £350 Fiesta) to stop this from happening. The local cop shop should be able to help, the dealer should have HPied the car anyway all respected ones do. Both VINS should match.
I dont' want to scare you but the car could have a cut and shut as well, it is unlikely but the tax disc could be a professional fake, the MOT test is supposed to check the VINs match though I believe?
Did you see the V5 before you bought the car? I know these things are easily missed.
I would contact the police and say you suspect something is dodgy they will give it a good check over and if they believe the car is not a cut and shut etc, they may let you keep it if you bought this in good faith.
In the 1970;s my grandad unknowingly bought a stolen car (my uncle was a copper and he went with him to buy it!!!!) and when stopped by the police they had proof the car was purhcased legally and the owner had already had an insurance settlement so he was allowed to keep it.
Hopefully it is just a silly database error and the two VINs match you just read the wrong number or something. Do the registration plates have dealer marks on them? Does it have any indication on it who supplied the plates?
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Have you done a vehicle check on something like the RAC site. If you put your reg in it should come back with the model without paying anything.
www.rac.co.uk/web/vehicle-checks/car-data-check/
This does sound a little worrying. We deleted your car model/make but if you let people know what it is they can tell you where another VIN plate should be. Often on the driver door B pillar or under a flap in the carpet on the driver's side.
Hope this works out okay.
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Tried to edit my last post but its too late, I am not trying to scare monger here, just suggesting a possibility than the car might be very unsafe. There is very little cut and shuts on the road so the chances of it are very slim, at worst it is probably an accident damaged car which had been stolen or something but they forgot to 'replace' one of the VINS. Either way the DVLA will have a record of the two VINs providing they are from a UK registered car so they will be able to find out the identity first. Phone the DVLA first with your new information then phone the police if it does look like your car has a fake ID.
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You can get an interpretation of VIN here
analogx.com/contents/vinview.htm
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I tried that site earlier but the check digit is invalid apparently
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Use this link as well
www.autocalculator.org/VIN/Free-VIN-Decoder.aspx
But most sites are unable to interpret the last 50% of VIN - as it is often manufacturer specific
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The problem i have is that the reg number isnt recognised anywhere so i cant hpi or use any other car check web sites.
The car is a mk4 golf tdi, i have located 2 vin numbers but i believe there maybe more in the car somewhere, does anyone know??
My worst fear is that its a cut and shut and it gets taken away leaving me with outstanding finance on the car, i am going to phone the dvla with both VIN numbers and see what they say.
Hopefully it will be sorted out but i have a really bad feeling about it
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I think there is a much greater chance of the car being a clone than a true cut and shut. The police may let you keep it providing the insurance has already setteled the true owner. Do decode both the VINS with the link given above, it will tell you what car it should belong to, what model and the year of manufacture.
Golfs are a firm favourite for cloners as they are popular cars.
If it was a cut and shut then I can't see the need for a fake plate as the ID would always appear to be genuine but by now I think you would have noticed all sorts of suspension issues, pulling to the left etc if it was a cut and shut.
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Look inside the boot spare wheel well - there is often a manufacturing sticker in there that has the VIN on it.
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