Real life motorway economy - balleballe

I am looking to update my car and have a few different options.

My driving is 80% motorway, and although i've seen the data in 'real mpg' it does not tell you the way in which the vehicle is driven.

Has anyone had a motorway journey (speeds of 65-80) and measured the brim to brim mpg? If so - could you please post your findings, along with what you drive

Real life motorway economy - RT

Back in '92, I used to get a consistent 40mpg on a 400 mile round trip to Plymouth, constant 75 mph indicated, 1/2 mile to motorway one end and 1 mile from dual-carriageway at the other - that was a Cavalier 2.0 GLi pre-cat.

Now, I've got no chance of cruising at constant speed on that journey now !

Real life motorway economy - xtrailman

Any one can add whatever figure they want to HJ real MPG so i ignore it.

Try this link you can play with driving style inputs.

Google whatcar true mpg its more accurate and you can adjust your driving style, i posted a link but it was blocked.

Edited by xtrailman on 03/01/2015 at 18:49

Real life motorway economy - bathtub tom

Nice tip xtrailman. Remarkably close to what I achieve.

Real life motorway economy - RT

Using that website gives 50mpg from a diesel Insignia, an improvement over the petrol Cavalier at 40mpg but not a huge one.

Real life motorway economy - RobJP

But I (and plenty of others) have found HJ's RealMPG pages to be quite accurate, so to claim that they are absolute nonsense as 'anyone can edit it' is patently ridiculous.

Another reasonable guide for petrol or diesel (i.e. NON-hybrids), is to take the 'urban' mpg figure, and view that as the realistic overall mpg. Might be a bit out, but will give you a decent guide.

Real life motorway economy - xtrailman

With my car i find the urban is near to what i achieve on a run.

I don't agree that putting fabricated data into real MPG is nonsense, i've done it myself, just once to test it.

Real life motorway economy - craig-pd130

The at-the-pump economy figures for my last 4 company cars, on tankfuls that have involved around 75% motorway driving are below. Traffic permitting, I usually set the cruise control at an indicated 80, and will look to quickly regain this speed when traffic allows.

2003 Passat B5.5 PD130 manual (6 speed) saloon: between 50 and 52mpg. Overall mpg in my ownership was 46.25 over 5 and half years and 68,000 miles.

2008 Mondeo IV 2.0TDCI manual estate: between 45 and 47mpg. Overall mpg in 3.5 years and 38,000 miles was 42.5.

2011 Volvo V60 D3 (163bhp) manual: between 50 and 53mpg. Overall mpg in 3 years and 39,000 miles was 46.5.

2014 Volvo V60 D4 manual: between 50 and 52mpg.

In my experience, none of these cars gave significantly greater economy (i.e. no more than 1 - 2mpg at the pump) by sticking to 70 / 75 mph over the duration of a long motorway journey.

Real life motorway economy - slkfanboy

The at-the-pump economy figures for my last 4 company cars, on tankfuls that have involved around 75% motorway driving are below. Traffic permitting, I usually set the cruise control at an indicated 80, and will look to quickly regain this speed when traffic allows.

2003 Passat B5.5 PD130 manual (6 speed) saloon: between 50 and 52mpg. Overall mpg in my ownership was 46.25 over 5 and half years and 68,000 miles.

2008 Mondeo IV 2.0TDCI manual estate: between 45 and 47mpg. Overall mpg in 3.5 years and 38,000 miles was 42.5.

2011 Volvo V60 D3 (163bhp) manual: between 50 and 53mpg. Overall mpg in 3 years and 39,000 miles was 46.5.

2014 Volvo V60 D4 manual: between 50 and 52mpg.

In my experience, none of these cars gave significantly greater economy (i.e. no more than 1 - 2mpg at the pump) by sticking to 70 / 75 mph over the duration of a long motorway journey.

Very close to my finding but the Passat which I have never driven and BMW 320D ED was 62mgp with 5 people.

I also find most german cars seem to do better near 80mph in top gear rather than 70mph.

Real life motorway economy - colinh

Drive a Toyota Auris hybrid - just coming up to three years old and have full brim-to-brim records since purchase (sad!). The majority (probably 80%) of my driving is on Spanish motorways usually on cruise control at 110kph (68mph). Over the period I've averaged 5.1 l/100km (55.1 mpg):

Link to fuelly website:

www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/auris/2012/cuius/106408

Click on "UK" top left to convert to imperial units if it's showing metric

Real life motorway economy - Chris79
Seat Toledo 2013 1.6tdi

46 mile journey to work. 31 miles on dual carriageway at 70 on cruise control. I regularly drive in the early hours of the morning and so don't have to turn it off to often.

Brim to brim calculations using supermarket and bp ultimate fuel give me between 56-62mpg with the bp ultimate being the top end of the scale
Real life motorway economy - bazza

2008 Octavia 1.9 TDi

Last 600 miles nearly all M4 motorway- brim to brim = 54mpg.

Overall mpg 52. Best around 57mpg, in france.

Focus 1.6 petrol- Motorway =41 to 42 mpg. Best =45mpg, average =40 mpg

Real life motorway economy - Ian_SW

I use hire cars frequently for work, most journeys are either a return trip from North Yorkshire to the north edge of the M25 or to the Bristol area so about 400 miles round trip. I've kept an eye on how much fuel I've had to put in for.my own interest when I'm looking for a new car. Not actually recorded figures, but have tried to remember which have been better than 60 as this seemed a sensible benchmark. They were:

Skoda Rapid 1.6 diesel

Merc B class 180cdi

VW Jetta 2.0 TDI

Peugeot 508SW 1.6 diesel

Of the petrols, I never got that high obviously, but the best performer was a Yaris 1.33, at about 53 and surprisingly a 1.6 Astra just below 50, better than I managed with the same car in diesel form!

I was never really driving for economy on these trips, or hammering the car, just keeping up with the pace of other traffic, or on cruise around 75 indicated if the road was clear.

Real life motorway economy - Wukl

Sadly retentive of information like this; this post was made for me!

My regular commute in my IS300 is 56 miles per day, split 3.6:1 in ratio of motorway miles:urban roads. I drive earlyish in the morning and lateish in the evening, both against the major flow of traffic so I can use cruise control probably for 80% of my motorway time while my urban is limited to four sets of traffic lights, some 30, some 40 and some 50mph limit. Generally I’ll stick my cruise at an indicated 70 to 72mph (so around 65mph true speed) which is 2500rpm roughly. This gives me at this time of year a four fill (95RON) rolling average of 31.0mpg, which rises to 33.0mpg in summer. Last winter was clearly colder than this (so far!) as it fell to a rolling average of 28mpg. Over the last 28k, average overall has been 31.1mpg; there have been longer trips in there of course, but also much schlepping round town as the family taxi!

Interestingly (I can’t believe I’m so sad as to be writing this…) if I take the official Urban and Extra Urban for my car and apply the 3.6:1 ratio it come out at 31.7mpg, which is surprisingly close. Then again, my IS predates the current slight-of-hand tweaks performed by manufacturers specifically to achieve lowest possible emissions across their range…

My previous motor over the same sort of driving averaged 42.5mpg over 87k. Again, apply my 3.6:1 to the Urban and Extra Urban I get a predicted 44.6mpg, which is quite a bit over. It was a ‘lean-burn’ engine with 59% of the cubic capacity of my current car, and a manual as opposed to an automatic.

Make of that lot what you will!

Real life motorway economy - Bromptonaut

Berlingo HDi 1.6/115. At lower end of OP's speed range 50 is easily acheivable on a steady m/way run. Breeze block aerodyamics mean mpg falls back very quickly at 70+.

Real life motorway economy - Engineer Andy

Sad git that I am, I actually keep a record of my car's mpg (not from the trip computer - only using fuel bought and odometer from mostly brim-to-brim fill ups).

My Mazda3 mk1 1.6 petrol does about 44mpg on longer journeys on dual carriageways/motorways (a good 280+ miles on such roads to annual holidays in Cornwall as a good guide) in reasonably weather/without significant hold-ups; it does about 33-35mpg in slow-moving traffic, such as in built-up areas.

My overall average is (and given on the True mpg data) about 40.5mpg (range from 38-42mpg depending upon where I'm working), I would say about 2/3rds on dual carriageways/motorways or fast-moving single lane roads, plus I generally drive with a lighter foot than most people, though not always (the occasional 'Italian tune-up').

Still, better than the claimed mpg (that given in the original sales literature - the figures on this website are for the 2006 update version [reduced power/increased 0-60 time/reduced CO2], not the original 2004 engine specs, which are I think about 37-38mpg [combined] for the 1.6 petrol).

I would suspect that most petrol cars will have about 30% better mpg for motorway (legal speeds!) as ooposed to in-town driving; for diesel the gap may be a bit lower. Besides the percentages of town/motorway type driving, I think that the actual mileage driven per trip makes a huge difference - I know of a lot of people who get very poor mpg because, unsurprisingly, they do lots of short journeys, which is very common these days, especially for families with the second car as the local runaround.

Many people are still (daftly in my view) buying small, diesel-engined cars for just 'popping to the shops', thinking that the high (EU) 'tested' mpg will easily save more money over the ownership of the car than the extra cost over the petrol-engined equivalent. Sorry guys, but they won't (and will likely be the cause of future engine problems) as they don't have enough time to warm up (not that I'm an expert, but do know that diesel engines are more thermodynamically efficient than petrol ones, so take a lot longer to get up to optimum temperature) to get the full mpg potential.

If you do mainly short jouneys (whatever the mileage), less than 20k miles p.a. or don't need to lug very heavy loads (trailers, building materials etc), then always go for a petrol engined car. The only real choice is for those (e.g. taxi drivers) who do large in-town mileages (a decent mileage per day with very short stops [probably without turning the engine off]), who could chose either diesel or petrol hybrids (depending on location - congestion charge fees etc).

Real life motorway economy - skidpan

Has anyone had a motorway journey (speeds of 65-80) and measured the brim to brim mpg? If so - could you please post your findings, along with what you drive

Twice a year we travel to Scotland and have done since about 1996. Its pretty much all motorway and dual carriage the only exceptions being the A9 between Perth and Aviemore which is probably about 70 miles of single carriageway and 30 miles of dual.

Our total mileage for the round trip is between 1000 and 1100 miles and the main trips are 435 miles each way and take about 7 hours travelling time, an average of just over 60 mph. We have only had one trip where we were severely delayed by an accident on the M6.

1996 Golf TDi. 57mpg. The official figures as we know and love them were not used back then, VW claimed 72 mpg if I remember correctly.

2002 Mondeo TDCi 130. 47 mpg against an official figure of 47.9 mpg.

2005 C-Max TDCi 110. 54 mpg against an offical figure of 57.9 mpg.

2010 Kia Ceed SW CRDi 115. 56 mpg against an official figure of 60.2 mpg.

These are all calculated figures corrected for the inaccurate odometers in the Golf (5% over) and Ceed (3% under). Both Fords were spot on.

Also got a Seat Leon 1.4 TSi 140 (petrol). Not done the Scottish trip in it but on one brim to brim fill up which included several long trips on motorways it calculated as 53 mpg against an official of 54 mpg.

Real life motorway economy - RobJP

Much like Skidpan, we head up to the Scottish highlands a couple of times a year :

BMW 520d touring, the 2008 'old' E61 model, manual box : 43-45 mpg on a run.

BMW 118d 5 door hatch (2008/58 car), manual box : usually 55-58 on a run, best ever on a 430 mile day from North Wales to Inverness was 62 mpg.

BMW 325d Touring (2013 car, the 'new' F31), manual box : 48-52 mpg.

Edit : all driven with cruise on, set at 73-75 mph. I can't be bothered with the stress and tiredness of 'pushing it'

Edited by RobJP on 04/01/2015 at 21:49

Real life motorway economy - slippy118

Always 50+ from the BMW118d from Leicester to Berwick 260 miles.

37 from the Tucson 2.0 diesel.

There are plenty of 50 mph zones with average speed cameras.

Used to get 60+ from a 1.6 diesel fiesta.

Real life motorway economy - balleballe

Thankyou everyone for the information.

It's interesting as the old 1.9 TDI VAG engine was seen as super economical yet the newer 1.6 which is available seems to be more economical. A nearly new Toledo represents good value too, when compared to the equivalent golf.

Interestingly I drove my mates civic yesterday from Newcastle down to Leeds, then back up. Over 224 miles sitting mainly at an indicated 75mph it averaged 46mpg. Not bad for a 1.8 petrol

Real life motorway economy - bazza

It's interesting as the old 1.9 TDI VAG engine was seen as super economical yet the newer 1.6 which is available seems to be more economical. ............................

My current 1.9 PD is slightly less economical than my original 1.9 TDI 110 non PD unit. That could easily hit 60mpg on a run. Of course the newer one is a significantly heavier car. My figures are all genuine brim to brim calculations. The on board mpg meter is a few % optimistic, as it is with every car I've checked. Take off typically around 6% to get a more accurate figure. For example, my Focus can show 48mpg on a run, against a true calculated 45 mpg, likewise the Octavia 57 or so - indicated v a true 54mpg.

Interestingly a colleague has a newish c Max diesel, averaging an unbelievably low 34 mpg on the trip!!! I've has 2 litre petrols that were better than that!

Real life motorway economy - skidpan

My current 1.9 PD is slightly less economical than my original 1.9 TDI 110 non PD unit. That could easily hit 60mpg on a run

As I wrote above we had a 1.9 TDi 90 PS. It would do 60 mpg on a run (calculated) or so we thought.

As written above we do a twice annual trip to Scotland, being doing it for 20 years now, exact same route. In the Golf it was 459 miles. When we got the Mondeo it dropped to 435 miles and in the C-Max it was 435 miles again. In the Ceed its only 420 miles, 39 miles less than the Golf. Checked with AA autoroute, their sugested route was the same as we used (not surprisingly - would not want to go any other route) and their distance was 435 miles proving at the time that Ford were spot on and VW optimistic. When we eventually bought the Garmin it measured the trip as 435 miles.

So the VW calculated as 60 mpg but when the speedo correction was applied the figure was actually 57 mpg. When we got the Ceed we were a bit disappointed when it only returned 54 mpg on the trip but when we applied the speedo correction it rose to 56 mpg.

So a 90 PS Golf with virtually no kit did 57 mpg yet a much faster, bigger and better equipped (heavier) Ceed SW does 56 mpg. No contest in my book.

Its a well established fact not to believe the dash computer but if you want "real" real mpg figures don't believe the odometer either.

Edited by skidpan on 07/01/2015 at 09:15

Real life motorway economy - craig-pd130

Its a well established fact not to believe the dash computer but if you want "real" real mpg figures don't believe the odometer either.

Good point, it is surprising the Golf's odo had such a large discrepancy.

Real life motorway economy - xtrailman

The A4 i had was only 1mpg more optimistic on the average read out, so i stopped doing brim to brim as filling up adds more weight.

No system is totally accurate for reasons given by skidpan, plus tyre wear and pressures etc.

Which is why i believe the what car data is more accurate as it carried out using separate measuring equipment.

Edited by xtrailman on 07/01/2015 at 10:19

Real life motorway economy - GazNicki
45.1 mpg average over 25000 miles calculated through fuelly.com

I drive a 2004 Mondeo TDCi with 150k on it. Travel 70% motorway Monday to Friday, 60 miles per day.
Real life motorway economy - IRC

Skoda Octavia 1.4 Tsi

46-47mpg on motorways at 70-75mph. Have done 51mpg on long A Rd trip to Skye and back at 50-60mph.

Real life motorway economy - GHSAUNDERS40

I am looking to update my car and have a few different options.

My driving is 80% motorway, and although i've seen the data in 'real mpg' it does not tell you the way in which the vehicle is driven.

Has anyone had a motorway journey (speeds of 65-80) and measured the brim to brim mpg? If so - could you please post your findings, along with what you drive

I drive a 2014 1.6 CDTI 110 Vauxhall Astra;

My commute is fairly free from traffic, 2 miles urban, 12 miles dual carrageway, 27 miles motorway followed by 3 miles rural.

I was curious so I did the following;

1 X tank brim to brim at an indicated 75 mpg is 61.2 mpg

1x tank brim to brim at an indicated 60 mpg 78.7mpg

Anicdotally the OBC shows 99 Mpg flat and level at 60mph

82 flant and level @ 65mpg

Driven 'normally' I average 67.7 according to my spreadsheet. The cars OBC seems to be 4.2 MPG optimistic. Not the fastest thing on the planet, but strangly economical, I'm plesently surprised!

Edited by GHSAUNDERS40 on 09/01/2015 at 19:00