Attention All Vehicle Modders - samsdodgybloke
PLEASE everybody interested in being able to continue to engine swap, tube frame or significantly visually alter motor vehicles in the UK go to the DVLA web site and go through the nausea of completing thier online submission - also please request a copy of the consultation paper. Doesn\'t matter if you don\'t read it - they judge strength of public feeling on the number of them that the send out.

Basically they are trying to screw anyone moddifying a car, and particularly those of us moddifying older cars (not allowing fitting of more modern components without having to re-register on a Q plate, having to go the SVA for your mods every time, etc.)

BTW kit means kit car built to original kit car spec not fitting a body kit.

Deadline is 19th July, they\'re sneaked this pink fluffy dice on us without any anouncement.

Ta.

Please copy the link and post it on any other suitable web sites. The consultation list they have for this excercise includes such bodies as \"The Christian Road Safety League\" and RoSPA and the Vehicle Scrap Dismantlers Association, and not anyone to do with modifying cars or the moddified vehicle industry - need as much support for this as possible.

www.dvla.gov.uk/
Attention All Vehicle Modders - Dynamic Dave
samsdodgybloke,

Suggest you refresh your memory on swearing policy of this site. Words like that won't be tolerated - EVER. Next time I delete, not edit.

www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=20783

DD. BR Moderator.
Attention All Vehicle Modders - Mapmaker

I've had a look for that consultation paper, and cannot see it www.dvla.gov.uk/public/corporat.htm

Where should I go?
Attention All Vehicle Modders - Cliff Pope
I can't find it either. There seems to be a lot of very reasonable stuff about preventing too much of a car being replaced so that it isn't actually the original car anymore. But as I read the rules, they are not saying you can't do these things, simply that you won't be entitled to use the original registration number.
Seems fair enough to me - why would you want the original number on a car that you have just built from bits?
What I am much more interested in is the suggestion in the original post that engine-swappers have something to fear. When the engine on my classic finally wears out, I'd like to be able to find another, recondition it and fit it. It would still be the same car - engines are replaceable items.
What am I missing?
Attention All Vehicle Modders - DL
Nope, I can't find owt aswell.

Perhaps it's all a hoax?
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Attention All Vehicle Modders - teabelly
I've got the link somewhere at home. I'll post it when I find it.
teabelly
Attention All Vehicle Modders - teabelly
www.dvla.gov.uk/public/consult/veh_inspec/vi_summa...m

That should be it. Most of it appears sensible apart from suggesting that classics could only have original parts on them. This might infer that only 25 year old brake parts could be put on a 25 year old car rather than being able to update them to something more modern.


teabelly
Attention All Vehicle Modders - John S
teabelly

Yes, confusing! It seems to lump heavily restored vehicles (those which have apparently dropped out of registration, as it refers to registration on their original mark) with completely 'new' classics produced from old components defined as 'reconstructed' classics. Not a good use of the term 'reconstruction' I believe. These vehicles 'must comprise of all genuine period components, of the same specification, all over 25 years old'. Taking 'all' literally, this is an impossibility. This appears to exclude newly manufactured components which are to original standard, or as you say, safety related upgrades. A badly drafted proposal.

Regards

JS
Attention All Vehicle Modders - Cliff Pope
As I read it all this only refers to totally reconstituted "classics" built from components from a number of cars, not the ordinary process of restoration or repair. At present there is nothing to stop someone upgrading say the brakes on a classic car by using more modern components, and no mechanism other than the MOT for checking that the brakes work. I cannot see anything in this proposal that would stop that.
The wording of "components" needs rather precise definition. They aren't advocating that we have to source original asbestos brake linings are they? Or do coach-painting with traditional leaded paints?
For most major components of a 25+ year old car there would be little option but to use an old component anyway, albeit reconditioned.
The DVLA site elsewhere already concedes that it is the age of the say gearbox casing that counts, not that of the newly-cut gears inside it.
Attention All Vehicle Modders - Mapmaker
Well, they ask:

'Who should bare [sic] the cost of the inspection?'


I sense that they are trying to outwit duty dodgers who claim that the car is pre-1973 when there are plenty of post-1973 parts on board.

But whether we have Cliff's SORNed part out of his garage, or his scrapped part out of his garage, who knows...
Attention All Vehicle Modders - deslynam
I've been under the impression that part of this is to try and stop people with more money than sense taking their, (e.g.) little 1.0L 106 and putting a much bigger engine in it, and sticking all the plastic body-parts that Halfords have to offer onto them - so that the finished product has little in common with the original!

Which is fair enough! :-D
Attention All Vehicle Modders - Cliff Pope
I sense that they are trying to outwit duty dodgers who
claim that the car is pre-1973 when there are plenty of
post-1973 parts on board.


Could be. But there are already rules in place specifying which and how many bits have to be original, with a points system for chassis, engine etc, which has to add up to 8 (I think) to count as original.
But original means original to the car, not just of the right age from another scrap car.
The whole thing is a bit mystifying. Components are not defined, and the vast majority do not have their identification numbers recorded anywhere. So who can tell where the bits came from? Is this door from a 73 or a 74? Was it in 73 that they changed the angle of the heater inlet on the waterpump, or was that the lower locating spigot? Do the DVLA have experts to cover all cars of all ages?
And supposing a 25 year old car had already had a replacement gearbox 15 years ago, or a new bootlid when it was nearly new.

 

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