On the suject of subjective car comfort - Any - Orb>>.

On the subject of my inability to get comfy in certain cars.

A bad fall skiing, a fall from a horse, both of which caused damage and a while back a fall from a loft ladder. Some constant aches and a bit of neuropathy. I can happily walk my daily 3 miles average with Blodwen our dog.

I cannot justify buying a car that I MIGHT be able to get comfortable in after a few weeks.

Test drives seem to be very limited nowadays and 30 - 60 minutes isn't good enough.

I think that if I am going to look at anything else in future I'll have to hire one for a few days or more.

What seems to do the trick is SUV's about the size of the Korando/ Sportage etc....

The odd thing is that in the Venga the drivers seat is fine for both myself and Youngrovergirl. I slide it bach for me. Incidentally she had a non malignant tumour removed from around the spinal cord which necessitated cutting into two vertebra.

On the suject of subjective car comfort - Any - badbusdriver

Not sure about seat heights, but in terms of the overall vehicle height, there isn't that much between Venga and Korando, only 29mm. It shows that the oft quoted reason for folk choosing an SUV is a bit of a nonsense, because the Venga (and ix20) are actually taller than many SUV's, certainly smaller ones. The Hyundai Bayon we had would be classed as an SUV or crossover, yet the seat height (and indeed overall vehicle height) was lower than the (2017) Honda Jazz we had, and a chunk lower than a Venga/ix20.

But the notion of comfort is going to come down to personal preference and we are all different. I preferred the seats on the Suzuki Ignis we had over the Jazz we had prior, but my wife was the other way round. So if the OP of a new thread is looking for a new car and asking specifically about seat comfort, it isn't really wise to go by what others think, they need to get in the car themselves and make their own mind up. I do also remember being impressed by the comfort of the seats in the Daihatsu Sirion 1.0 we had back in 2008, so it certainly isn't a given that the seats on a more basic car are not going to be as comfortable.

A bit like when an OP says they want a good looking car, something which always amuses me, as if I know what they consider good looking!

On the suject of subjective car comfort - Any - Engineer Andy

Besides the seat itself, which others have correct said the comfort isn't just determine by how soft or hard the seat is, but also:

1. The actual ride quality and handling abilities of the car, both dependent upon several factors, such as:

  • The vehicle type (SUVs will generally not handle as well as hatches and saloons which have a lower centre of gravity and possibly weigh less);
  • The 'chassis' and suspension design, which can be in part dependent upon how the manufacturer believes it will be used, or in some cases, the suspension is tailored to a specific country (road quality), as well as cost or competence of designers;
  • Some manufacturers compensate for not-so-good designs by firming up the suspension and fitting wider, low-profile tyres to get 'better' handling ability, but often at the expense of ride quality and the durability of the suspension parts.

2. The driving position, which is as much dependent upon the physical attributes of the driver (height, arm and leg reach, flexibility of the back, etc) and their preferences for how they sit (more upright or not) to get a good view of the road, as it is about the ergonomics of the seat, pedal / steering wheel position and how adjustable the latter is. With SUVs, for example, you often appear to need a more upright driving position than hatches and saloons

In my old 90s Micra, I experienced significant back problems but only after changing jobs, because I changed from a shortish (distance) local route at 30mph and less to a 20 mile route on much faster roads, including winding country lanes.

After spending quite a bit on chiropractors, a colleague gave me a copy of the 'seating ergonomics' part of his company car's manual. I discovered that my seating position was one click on the rack (about 1/2in) too far from the pedals and steering wheel (which couldn't be adjusted for reach), and within a week, all the pain was gone and never returned.

Similarly the setting for the lumbar support (if it has one) can make a big difference, and whether the car is used by multiple drivers - having memory seats is useful in such circumstances rather than having to either keep manually re-adjusting or accept a (bad) compromise set-up - which can be very bad if the drivers are physically very different.

With one problem solved (and this method of checking applies to any subsequent car I've driven), then it's as ORB says, being able to get a long enough time in the car when on the move (after getting the seating position right) is key.

Even the ergonomics of all the centre console area can make a difference - not having to reach or fiddle - it all adds or takes away from the quality of the driving experience.

3. A lumbering beast with a soft, but wallowy ride can be just as uncomfortable as a sporty car that 'runs on rails', just for different reasons - how you use the car, which needs to take into account the type and quality of roads you mainly drive on, must also be considered.

On the suject of subjective car comfort - Any - RT

Car seats can be deceptive to look at - for a while in the '80s, Vauxhall "sports" seats were made by Recaro but not badged as such - those in my Cavalier SRi looked far too hard and narrow to be comfortable but in reality were superb on long journeys as they were so supportive.

When I ordered my present VW Touareg, I included the optional "comfort" seats which have 14-way electric adjustment and are outstandlingly comfortable, enough to do Dunnet Head / John O'Groats to Land's End / Lizard Point in a day and still feel fresh at the end.

My theory is that it's support in the right places that matters far more than softness.

On the suject of subjective car comfort - Any - expat

The seats need to not only be comfortable for you but also for your wife. Happy wife, happy life.

On the suject of subjective car comfort - Any - mcb100
It’s very subjective, but I can do hours in comfort in Renault seats, regardless of which model. For me, it’s the combination of a softish seat with good support.
Mazda, a few years ago now, were promoting seats based on data from NASA on how the human frame responds to zero gravity.
On the suject of subjective car comfort - Any - edlithgow

Long time ago. when I was having trouble with neck vertebrae that I'd damaged in the army, I was recommended to get a Citroen DS or equivalent.

I suppose this was down to the suspension rather than the seats, same reason I believe they were used as Outside Broadcast camera cars.

Didn't do it cos too stingy, though the DS is/was a very impressive car

On the suject of subjective car comfort - Any - badbusdriver

Long time ago. when I was having trouble with neck vertebrae that I'd damaged in the army, I was recommended to get a Citroen DS or equivalent.

I suppose this was down to the suspension rather than the seats, same reason I believe they were used as Outside Broadcast camera cars.

Didn't do it cos too stingy, though the DS is/was a very impressive car

Possibly a combination, because the DS is reputed to have exceedingly comfortable seats.

On the suject of subjective car comfort - Any - RT

The DS Safari, the estate version, was used as a horse racing camera car partly because of the suspension but also because of the cavernous space

On the suject of subjective car comfort - Any - Orb>>.

I remember hitchhiking in France in the early 70's being given a lift North out of Paris and the maniac driving the car was in excess of 120 kms an hour about 77 or so. Citroen DS.

I was happy when he dropped me off.

Edited by Orb>>. on 09/07/2025 at 08:12

On the suject of subjective car comfort - Any - Andrew-T

I'm sure part of the difficulty in designing a comfy seat is the fact that people come not only in different shapes and sizes, but different proportions. My daughter is short, mostly because of short legs, so the fore-and-aft length of a car seat is important for her. And then there are those drivers unfortunate enough to have spinal problems.

To me, the silly thing is that makers can produce a seat which gets universal acclaim for comfort, but when that model is superseded the designers go back to a blank drawing board and come up with something worse. All versions of the Pug 205 had good seats (mine still does) but the only 206 I have owned became impossible to live with after about an hour's drive. Swapped it for a 306 Meridian and never looked back.

On the suject of subjective car comfort - Any - Engineer Andy

I'm sure part of the difficulty in designing a comfy seat is the fact that people come not only in different shapes and sizes, but different proportions. My daughter is short, mostly because of short legs, so the fore-and-aft length of a car seat is important for her. And then there are those drivers unfortunate enough to have spinal problems.

To me, the silly thing is that makers can produce a seat which gets universal acclaim for comfort, but when that model is superseded the designers go back to a blank drawing board and come up with something worse. All versions of the Pug 205 had good seats (mine still does) but the only 206 I have owned became impossible to live with after about an hour's drive. Swapped it for a 306 Meridian and never looked back.

A former colleague of mine owned a 206 and despite the car itself being decent in performance terms, he never liked the driving position. If I recall correctly, it was one of those cars that had significantly offset pedals.

I learned in a 205 (1.9 diesel) and I found it comfortable, and one I could do the 'proper' look over your shoulder reversing manoeuvre without it giving me a bad back / sore neck every time. Not so on my old 90s Micra, but then for both those cars, parking was never difficult compared to modern ones due to the much larger windows than today's.

On the suject of subjective car comfort - Any - John F

The vertebrate spine was never designed to be vertical. Whether dinosaur or deer, the spine evolved to cope with quadruped forces that eventually made most animal spines look like a flatter version of Sydney harbour bridge. Intervertebral discs are merely spacers and are not suited to being load-bearing units in johnny-come-lately humans. Too much pressure and stress make them rot - painfully, especially the more vulnerable ones at either end. As far as car seats are concerned, the key measurement for comfort is the height of the seat from the car floor. The higher, the better. The absence of an adjustable lumbar support is no problem; I hardly ever adjust mine (Audi A8 'comfort' seats for my rotten but thankfully now mostly quiescent L5/S1 and which can extend for long thighs). A small soft cushion will suffice. The Chinese have always known this - hence their old proverb....."Never do anything standing that you can do sitting, or anything sitting that you can do lying down".

On the suject of subjective car comfort - Any - Steveieb

After over 60 years of motoring I’ve struck on a car which suits my driving position.

Its A RAV 4 Mk 2 which I can adjust the seats to give me perfect support , Great all round vision which you don’t get with modern cars because of safety considerations , so no stretching or straining to see the proximity of obstacles etc.

Downside bumpy ride which you would expect from a mild off roader.

On the suject of subjective car comfort - Any - Terry W

Drivers - excluding real extremes of emaciated and grossly obese, may weigh 50-150 kg and be150-200cm tall.

Overall comfort and inevitably compromised to meet the needs of Mr and Mrs average, +/- those whose dimensions vary. Some dimensions are easily adjusted (eg: height) others are more problematic (eg: foam density).

The seat is only one element of comfort - height from the ground leads many to SUVs where entry and exit is less stressful, visibility is impacted by pillars, mirrors, and level of tech (eg: cameras), suspension set up can negate any seat design qualities

A couple of years ago I had occasion to rent 3 different cars in a row.

  • Seat Ibiza - entirely competent but firm suspension
  • Vauxhall Corsa - much better than the reputation which preceded it but boring
  • Citroen C3 - dynamically safe but uninspiring - the most comfortable by a huge margin were I doing a 300 mile drive.
On the suject of subjective car comfort - Any - Andrew-T

"Never do anything standing that you can do sitting, or anything sitting that you can do lying down".

Perhaps this may not be the forum to develop this line of thought ? :-)

On the suject of subjective car comfort - Any - SLO76
One thing that has gone downhill relating to comfort is ride quality. Everything seems designed to cope with track day driving, in order to gain positive platitudes from the motoring press no doubt. A recent shot of a Mk I Renault Laguna reminded me of how poorly most modern cars ride. If I want a track day car or a hot hatch I’ll buy one, I’m not looking for sharp cornering on a family wagon. Give me a 90’s executive or family car any day. Peugeot 406, Citroen Xantia, Renault Laguna Mk I, Safrane, Ford Granada, Vauxhall Carlton etc etc.

Edited by SLO76 on 09/07/2025 at 13:14

On the suject of subjective car comfort - Any - movilogo

One thing that has gone downhill relating to comfort is ride quality. Everything seems designed to cope with track day driving,

Exactly! My Sportage suspension is very firm - one negative among some other positive things about the car. Every pothole can be felt in the cabin.

IMHO cars like JLR, French brands are more comfortable compared to other brands. So it is an irony that unreliable cars are more comfortable in general.

On the suject of subjective car comfort - Any - John F

IMHO cars like JLR, French brands are more comfortable compared to other brands. So it is an irony that unreliable cars are more comfortable in general.

It used to be the case that the French would blame the car for discomfort while the English would blame the road. Not these days - I suspect their roads are considerably smoother than ours now.

On the suject of subjective car comfort - Any - corax
One thing that has gone downhill relating to comfort is ride quality. Everything seems designed to cope with track day driving, in order to gain positive platitudes from the motoring press no doubt. A recent shot of a Mk I Renault Laguna reminded me of how poorly most modern cars ride. If I want a track day car or a hot hatch I’ll buy one, I’m not looking for sharp cornering on a family wagon. Give me a 90’s executive or family car any day. Peugeot 406, Citroen Xantia, Renault Laguna Mk I, Safrane, Ford Granada, Vauxhall Carlton etc etc.

I doubt I would even notice most potholes if I was driving my old '84 Granada. I wouldn't want to go back to that fuel consumption at todays prices though.

On the suject of subjective car comfort - Any - Steveieb

Normally I have no time for anything French but my partners Renault Captur “ Red edition “ mk1 with 165 tyres and the 1.3 turbo engine shared with the Mercedes A class s ride is simply superb.

But I’ve looked long and hard to find another with the 165 tyres without luck

100 % reliable except for the radio amp , I’m finding it hard to believe .

On the suject of subjective car comfort - Any - badbusdriver

Normally I have no time for anything French but my partners Renault Captur “ Red edition “ mk1 with 165 tyres and the 1.3 turbo engine shared with the Mercedes A class s ride is simply superb.

But I’ve looked long and hard to find another with the 165 tyres without luck

Not surprised to find you can't find another Captur with 165 tyres, as far as I can find out, none would have tyres that narrow fitted when new.

I've used a few websites over the years to check the PCD, CBT, O/S etc on different cars. One of these lists the various tyre sizes used on each model and according to it, the smallest tyre size on the original shape Captur is 205/60 x 16, and on the 2nd gen it is 215/65 x 16.

Even ignoring that website, 165's seem too narrow for a vehicle like that (IMO). Narrowest tyres we've had on any of our cars over the last 26 years since I met my wife (to be) are 175's. So I'd strongly suggest looking into that yourself to confirm because if someone has put non standard tyres, quite a bit narrower than they should be (less grip and traction), and your partner's insurer is unaware of that, any accident claim could find them in a bit of a pickle.

On the suject of subjective car comfort - Any - Steveieb

You are right Bus driver they are 215/65 which is unusual these days but coupled with the brilliant suspension to give a sublime ride. Apologies .

Its almost made me change my prejudices about French cars because I’m yet to find another basic car that rides as well .

Coupled with the 1.3 T engine from the A class it’s a hard act to follow and bought for a fraction of the price of the equivalent Mazda CX 30 .

The main screen are known to be troublesome but some one on You tube can show you how to reboot the system something the main dealer would want to charge for or order a replacement at over £1200

On the suject of subjective car comfort - Any - Xileno

I had a rental Captur in 2019 and found it very comfy. It reminded me of the R4 but without the roly poly handling.

On the suject of subjective car comfort - Any - Big John

I had a rental Captur in 2019 and found it very comfy.

I had a Renault 21 2.0 back in the day as a company car. Pretty powerful for the time and initially seemed really comfortable. Sadly after a 100 miles or so it really did my back in. After regularly driving Yorkshire to Basingstoke & vice versa it took me 20 mins to stand up on arrival - at the time I was in my late 20's. Around the same time (late 80's - early 90's) I also had Vauxhall Astras that were great for me but a bit firm for others.

As ever seat comfort is an individual thing. Saab 9000 cs seats were my favorite seats and could drive UK to Munich in one go - not a twinge.

Edited by Big John on 13/07/2025 at 20:39

On the suject of subjective car comfort - Any - Engineer Andy

Normally I have no time for anything French but my partners Renault Captur “ Red edition “ mk1 with 165 tyres and the 1.3 turbo engine shared with the Mercedes A class s ride is simply superb.

But I’ve looked long and hard to find another with the 165 tyres without luck

Not surprised to find you can't find another Captur with 165 tyres, as far as I can find out, none would have tyres that narrow fitted when new.

I've used a few websites over the years to check the PCD, CBT, O/S etc on different cars. One of these lists the various tyre sizes used on each model and according to it, the smallest tyre size on the original shape Captur is 205/60 x 16, and on the 2nd gen it is 215/65 x 16.

Even ignoring that website, 165's seem too narrow for a vehicle like that (IMO). Narrowest tyres we've had on any of our cars over the last 26 years since I met my wife (to be) are 175's. So I'd strongly suggest looking into that yourself to confirm because if someone has put non standard tyres, quite a bit narrower than they should be (less grip and traction), and your partner's insurer is unaware of that, any accident claim could find them in a bit of a pickle.

That does seem rather skinny for that size of car, at least in the modern era. My 2005 Mazda3 can (and now does) take 195/65 R15 (OEMs 205/55 R16) and my old 90s Micra had 175/60 R13s and could take 155/70 R13 like my dad's Fiesta of the same era. The Fiesta handled brilliantly, as does my Mazda; the Micra was ok.

If a car has a good 'chassis' and suspension set up, they are much more able to take skinnier, higher profile tyres than those with lesser innate handling abilities.

On the suject of subjective car comfort - Any - Warning

"a while back a fall from a loft ladder."

I am having one fitted in, any advice on what to avoid?