New Year Hopefully Buy - scot22

I tend to hesitate when car buying and over think !! Ages ago I made several posts about Mercedes A W169 which I still like. However, nothing suitable appeared in the area ( do not want to buy away )

I have now thought about Qashqai and Seat Altea which are bigger cars - safer ?

I do not like a big car but want something which gives adequate protection if needed.

My priorities are safety, comfort, reliability, driving quality and ease of access (also like higher driving position) Electronic handbrake not wanted. Prefer spare wheel but not dealbreaker.

Looking for petrol with budget up to say £9000.

Any thoughts (polite ones !) appreciated and advice welcome. New people have joined the forum since my previous posts.

New Year Hopefully Buy - Avant

Get a test drive in a Qashqai and see how you like it. I found it wallowy and vague to drive, but clearly lots of other people like it. There's the smaller Juke if the Qashqai is too big, although you'll either love or loathe its looks.

The Altea never sold well so it may be hard to find one. You might just get a Golf SV within budget, or there's the older Golf Plus which you certainly would. But we wouldn't advise a VW if you need an automatic.

I think I'd look first at a Ford B-Max or bigger C-Max. More of these to choose from although probably fewer petrols than diesels.

Oldroverboy speaks highly of his Kia Venga, which I think he got precisely for ease of access. The Hyundai ix20 is very similar. You'd get a newer one of these for your money, with some warranty remaining.

Mercedes A or B class for your budget could be expensive to repair, and most of them seem to be diesels.

Hope the above will give you somewhere to start from.

Edited by Avant on 06/01/2017 at 23:44

New Year Hopefully Buy - gordonbennet

Forester, end of thread :-)

New Year Hopefully Buy - 520i

I've spent a fair bit of time at the helm of a Juke, and I have to say I wouldn't buy one myself. Cheap and nasty interior, naff Satnav and the back row is so lacking in headroom it might as well not be there. The 1.5 diesel lump pulls well, albeit with a bit of lag. I've had a spin in a facelift-era first gen Qashqai, a 7 seat top spec jobby and I found it more agreeable.

New Year Hopefully Buy - scot22

Thanks for a very helpful reply Avant - it has certainly given me more than an excellent starting point.

I don't know anything about a Forrester so will have to have a look.

520i - I don't like Juke style so pleased to hear of more substantial reasons from someone who has experienced one. Sounds like Qashqai didn't impress you.

Now for a few test drives.

New Year Hopefully Buy - John Boy

Does bigger necessarily mean safer?

Check out the Supermini against the Large family car in this page:

I came to the conclusion that the Chevrolet was safer for the occupants than the Volvo. To save you looking, here are the figures:

Chevrolet Aveo (2011 - 2015) 5-Star Euro NCAP - Result: 95% Adult Occupant, 87% Child Occupant, 54% Pedestrian, 93% Safety Assist. Better than BMW X3 and Audi A6.

Volvo V60 (2010 - ) 5 Star NCAP safety rating: 94% Adult Protection, 82% Child Protection, 64% Pedestrian Protection and 100% Safety Assist, total average 85%.

New Year Hopefully Buy - gordonbennet

Isn't NCAP portrayed rather misleadingly, size and weight does matter.

Aveo might be better in its class, but in practice in the real world bigger class leaders would be safer still, no ones going to tell me that in a typical road accident on the open road that an Aveo would be a better bet than a Merc S class BMW 7 series or 32 ton tipper lorry.

New Year Hopefully Buy - John Boy

... better in its class ...

Is that really it, though, GB? Presumably, they throw each car at the obstacle at the same speed, so doesn't the percentage express the occupants' chance of survival, regardless of the class?

New Year Hopefully Buy - John Boy

I think I've found the answer for myself. It's at the top of this page - 2nd sentence:

New Year Hopefully Buy - gordonbennet

Yes they do, but in the real world you might get smashed up the back by something weighing twice or more as much, 2 ton van hitting small hatchback (or 7 seater with 2 kiddies perched just in front of the back window) up the rear is going to see massively more violence inside the safety cell than a 2 ton 7 series with 6 feet of boot to soak the impact up.

If we could guarantee to only hit a carefully placed clean concrete block when our time comes then yes all are sort of equal i suppose weight for weight, unfortunately that isn't how things happen in real life.

On the subject of potential accidents i worked today, up past B'ham on the M6 and back, i've seen some really really stupid driving today, numerou examples of swerving violently across several lanes on nice greasy roads to get a couple of cars in front then braking heavily whilst still on the turn, no one connected fortunately but no thanks is due to these idiots who wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes in old design cars, these people really need nCap scores as high as possible, one clot in a van suddenly swerved from the outside lane across the front of an artic lorry (going up M1) to take the M6 slip road off the M1 north, no gap at all that i could see between the van and lorry, the lorry driver ignored him completely (correctly IMHO)...BUT, had that lorry been a 65 16 or 66 plate then the AEBS auto brakes would have applied full emergency braking and what might might have been the result then for everyone else? as our half wit van man sails off into the distance leaving a trail of destruction in his wake.

Edited by gordonbennet on 07/01/2017 at 21:14

New Year Hopefully Buy - SLO76

Isn't NCAP portrayed rather misleadingly, size and weight does matter.

Aveo might be better in its class, but in practice in the real world bigger class leaders would be safer still, no ones going to tell me that in a typical road accident on the open road that an Aveo would be a better bet than a Merc S class BMW 7 series or 32 ton tipper lorry.

Design matters more than size...
New Year Hopefully Buy - Andrew-T

Does bigger necessarily mean safer?

By the laws of physics, bigger means more likely to hit or be hit - not to mention the parking difficulties. Of course there is a practical limit to smallness, but it does have its advantages, and safety regs mean decent crash protection. Today's cars have grown far too obese IMHO.

Way back in the mid-60s I lived in Canada for 4 years and drove a very singular Morris 1100. The natives, who mostly used Fords or Chevies called it a p***-p*t, saying which they would rather be in in a crash. No doubt they were right, but I said they were more likely to suffer one. And it didn't happen.

New Year Hopefully Buy - scot22

Pleased and interested to read the interesting exchange of views on the safety issue . There are no simple answers. Safety is my biggest concern in driving ( and I'm sure many other people have the same concern ) Standard of driving is the main factor but I think we should also seek to make all aspects as safe as possible. I'm not sure the reliability of many of the electronic additions make them a good thing - another thread ?

Without wishing to sound pompous : it reflects well on the forum that views have been exchanged politely and thoughtfully. Not always the case on the internet when people are protected by anonymity.

New Year Hopefully Buy - John Boy

SLO76 said

"Design matters more than size..."

Thanks for that link, which led me to other equally interesting tests. I was particularly impressed by the ones featuring Smart cars.

New Year Hopefully Buy - scot22

This is fascinating stuff.

I take on board what Avant says about potential repair bills for A W169 but, since I like the car prepared a reserve fund for repairs ( I realise could spend more on a car but could still get a dodgy one ) IF I get one - however, as I said, planning a few test drives.

Wonder if the underfloor placing of engine will help if involved in accident. I do everything possible to minimise risk but........ and were it to happen.


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