Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - FelixK

I'm currently looking to start a business aiming to overcome the problems people face when getting car services, MOTs and repairs.

Below are some questions to guide the discussion - if anyone could spare their thoughts on the topics I'd really appreciate it!

1. Last time you used a new mechanic, how did you find them? What were the deciding factors in choosing who to book with? What was you biggest fear?

2. Can you think of a time when a mechanic really impressed you? What did they do?

3. Have you ever had any problems with a mechanic? If so, what were they?

4. Do you prefer using manufacturer dealerships, national franchises or independent garages? Why do you prefer them to the other options?

I look forward to hearing what you have to say on the topic!

Felix

Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - balleballe

1) I was new to the North-East and my radiator went. The AA chap who diagnosed it gave me name and address of a local mechanic (independant) garage whom he trusts. After I phoned around for quotes - he was competitive; so went ahead

2) Never been impressed thus far

3) Took far too long to fix a simple problem.

4) Trusted independants - but the mechanic must have some decent experience

Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - Armitage Shanks {p}

I have been living in UK for the last 13 years. In that time I have two popular makes of car and, for both of them, I have used small family run franchised dealerships. They know what they are doing, even if you only visit them once a year they know your name and your car. There seems to be a low turn-over of employees, The labour rates are fair, they use genuine parts and I trust them. That said, if my car was out of warranty and had a tricky electric or engine (injection) fault I might be tempted to go direct to and indie specialist, so olng as they were recommended or had some track record locally.

Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - concrete

The mechanics at my local dealership prefer to called technicians. A rose by any other name etc etc. The dealership route always means that if you are not happy with way the job has one you have recourse to someone higher up the foodchain. Whereas an independant you are agueing with principal in the business.

It's all about reputation. This takes time to build up by playing fair, pricing fairly and admitting errors and correcting them. An independant I use for SWMBO's car came highly recommended from friends and he is great. His reputation is a guarantee he will always have work to do. All the other marketing phsycobabble is just smoke and mirrors. Do the job right, price it right and you will have a good business. Cheers Concrete

Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - Bobbin Threadbare

1. I moved to a new town and took my car to a large chain (you can't get better than their fitters, apparently). I just googled their website, booked online. They had a deal on for MOT, service and air con regas and it was pretty reasonable. My biggest fear was that they would skimp on the servicing, and as it turns out, they did.

2. I took an previous car to an indy who worked out of a shed (they had a labrador acting as a sort of receptionist). They charged me less for paying cash, they did a nice job and they didnt treat me like an idiot and address my husband about the car, as though I wasn't even there.

3. See above - husband had to actually say to the guy that it wasn't his car.

4. I have decided that I like independents; they're less bothered about pushing useless extras on you which you don't want and they know you won't come back if the job isn't done properly, so they make an effort, in my experience.

Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - Collos25

Receptionists who talk down to you,mechanics who climb into the car without protective seat covers,over pricing,and work done that was not asked for plus charging for filling the washer bottle with magic fluid.

Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - focussed

"I'm currently looking to start a business aiming to overcome the problems people face when getting car services, MOTs and repairs."

As some one who has run their own workshop, there is one thing above all other that you should remember, to the exclusion of everything else:-

YOUR REPUTATION IS ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR LAST JOB.

Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - FelixK

Really great to reading your responses. There's quite a variety of respnses already!

Delving into the issues of trust and reputation a bit further:

How many people would you generally talk to in the process of choosing a new mechanic?

How do you weight their opinions (by how close friends you are, by how good they are with cars, by how recently they used the mechanic, etc)?

Do you combine word-of-mouth with directories, websites and other sources? Which sources do you trust the most?

I think it's very interesting that for many people, the most important thing is whether a friend has used them and whether they felt they were ripped off in any way.

Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - balleballe

I would ask around - although I doubt that many would have heard of said mechanic; so it all comes down to "you pay your money and take your chance"

I would weight their opinons based on their own mechanic knowledge or car knowledge

Yes - if someone feels they were being ripped off then say bye bye to any future referrals.

For example a friend of mine went to get his tyres changed on all 4 corners and asked them to check the brakes while they were at it. They said that his breaks were badly worn and would need replacing ASAP; but they didnt have any in stock. They could get them within an hour. He declined as was in a rush.

A month later he needed a service and always used to go to a main dealer. I told him to try the mechanic I had just used (chap who did my radiator and service).

He was charged much less, liked the guys stright-forwardness and honesty. He was told his pads are fine for at least a couple more months - around 5-10k miles.

Result: He attained a new customer.

My friend then went ahead and booked in mothers and fathers car for a service

Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - Happy Blue!
Recent experiences of having cars serviced have included a small franchised dealer who was excellent, an independent garage with a service franchise agreement for a main brand who was quite poor and a main dealer who does an expensive but good job at servicing but then proceeded to accuse me of lying regarding another repair we needed. The result is that I have nowhere to go as the family dealer has gone bust, and I won't go to the other two. I will have to find someone people trust in North Manchester.
Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - hillman

1. Last time you used a new mechanic, how did you find them? What were the deciding factors in choosing who to book with? What was you biggest fear?

1a. I had known the guy for a very long time and when he set up for himself, and the car warranty expired, I took the car to him.

1b. Personal knowledge that he is expert at his job.

1c. That the servicing would be skimped.

2. Can you think of a time when a mechanic really impressed you? What did they do?

2a. Regularly

2b. Tells me when things are due to be replaced - well before.

3. Have you ever had any problems with a mechanic? If so, what were they?

3a The last independant service garage that I went to.

3b. The mechanic's work deteriorated - I think he was on 'substances' - I couldn't trust the company any longer.

4. Do you prefer using manufacturer dealerships, national franchises or independent garages? Why do you prefer them to the other options?

4a. Independants - one particular one. Charges are reasonable due to small premises with no big overheads. Uses OEM parts as much as possible, even though they seem a rip-off.

Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - pd

The brake pad example above is why it is almost impossible to keep all customers happy all the time.

You could look at some brake pads, decide they were pretty worn and tell the customer. If you tell the customer they might then take it somewhere else who, whilst thinking they are worn, says there is 10-15% left and they will probably do another 3000 miles no problem. Said customer now thinks you ripped them off.

If you don't tell them then they decide to go on a touring holiday of France, the brakes start making a noise 4000 miles and 2 months later and then you get an angry phone call threatening to sue you because you checked the brakes and didn't change them.

You'll find you often can't win.

Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - gordonbennet

Quite right PD, pad/disc wear is a fine example of this and provides perfect amunition for a n other garage to cast doubt on the honesty or competence of a previous garage in order to gain a new customer.

In my kerbside cowboying days i never turned anyone over, and i mean never and my word was always good enough for my regulars, i often changed brake friction parts before they were technically worn out, they might look OK but every time i serviced a customers car i removed and examined them, often the pads or shoes whilst looking serviceable were starting to disintegrate, something the peer through the wheel method of car servcing doesn't find....and as you know no one has clue whats going on inside a drum by looking through that tiny little cut out in the back plate.

I knew the car would come back to me next year, probably just before MOT if private user, so used me common sense, seems a strange concept these days in the land of box ticking.

Edit, by the way i always used good aftermarket friction parts, usually Ferodo or Mintex, none of that accessory shop carp..

Edited by gordonbennet on 09/09/2012 at 11:28

Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - McP

I have used Finneys, an independant in Bury Lancs for some years.

Gave them a try when we moved to the area and have used them for the last 10 years.

First MOT I missed a number plate bulb. Replaced with no charge for bulb or labour. Another car needed headlight alignment. Again no charge. Some repairs required. Parts and labour cost always seemed reasonable.

Always friendly, honest, get the job done quickly and fair prices. The free bulb sticks in my mind though.

Only tried a specialist once. They couldn't find the fault on our Micra. Solution found online.

More recently, I have used two Kia dealers for servicing. Both were good.

Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - Bilboman

A mechanic's reputation stands or falls on professionalism and integrity, but unfortunately in these straitened times, price seems to be the major factor for most "occasional" customers, i.e. those who only take the car in when something has actually gone wrong or an MoT failure needs to be rectified. As a "drop-in customer" of several independent garages over the years, I have had service ranging from dreadful to superb, but that is always the case of a driver in need, as when you drive an old banger you can't choose how or where or when you'll break down.Whilst some garages do their best to establish a good reputation and build up word-of-mouth recommendations, others simply do not take the trouble for a customer who will likely never pass their way again.
One favourite experience of mine was when an ageing Talbot Horizon I was running on a shoestring blew a thermostat gasket and a semi-retired mechanic who happened to be helping ouit at the dealer's on a Saturday morning (I'd broken down about 100 yds from the forecourt!) told me to go and have a coffee while the engine cooled down and come back in an hour. 10p for the gasket and a tenner cash in hand for the labour and I was on my way again.

Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - galileo

On holiday in North Wales many years ago in a DAF 55, a rear trailing arm weld failed causing the wheel to lean inward at 30 degress: RAC recovered to a roadside garage a few miles from Caernarvon, collected it the day after, good as new, the elderly owner gave me a bill for £7.50.

Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - John Boy

This doesn't concern a mechanic, but I think it bears repeating.

A few years ago I went to a Toyota dealer and asked for wiper blades for a well-used Lucida people carrier (a grey import). I wasn’t hopeful because the reception area was so flash – a bit like a coffee bar. The receptionist phoned the spares man, who appeared straightaway and told me that inserts were available for that model. “Would you like me to fit them, Sir?” I hate fitting windscreen wipers – I always imagine the curtain twitchers have a field day watching me to turn them round and round in bemusement – so I jumped at his offer. He came outside, explained why the previous ones had worn so badly (not Toyota’s own) and fitted the new ones using just a biro. I can’t remember whether they were a good price – my employer was paying. I loved the bit with the biro, but what really impressed me was his willing cheerfulness.

Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - Drivethru

I have just been quoted £165 for a first service on a Ford Ka which has done less than 3000 miles, that is one expensive oil change. I couldn't care less about the warranty or having the book stamped by a main dealer, I will be going to the local guy who has always worked on my cars.

Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - gordonbennet

I have just been quoted £165 for a first service on a Ford Ka which has done less than 3000 miles, that is one expensive oil change. I couldn't care less about the warranty or having the book stamped by a main dealer, I will be going to the local guy who has always worked on my cars.

For the sake of the warranty, which could potentially save £thousands, get the local chap to use genuine parts and issue a proper VAT receipt...for the sake of a tenner max you're risking all.

That is expensive for first service on a small car mind, my Hilux with a 7.5 litre sump cost £170 at the main dealer, reduced by around half when they happily agreed to using my own bulk bought higher spec oil.

Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - Drivethru

Yes, Mr Bennet, it is very expensive, it's just the basic model and they said the price includes replacing the pollen filter, I said it hasn't got one, they insisted it has but I've checked and it's only if the car has air con that it will have a pollen filter, so that shows what they know. There is no way I am paying that for a service, it's more than my insurance is.

Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - FelixK

Thanks again everyone! I think hillman wins the prize for most detailed answer so far :D

Bobbin Threadbare stands out as someone who booked work online (even if she wasn't too impressed once she got there). Here are some more questions for her and anyone else who has used the internet when looking for mechanics:

1. Where in particular did you look online? If you searched, what keywords did you use?

2. What were the first things you looked for on a mechanic's website or listing?

3. If you have made (or considered making) a booking online, what was your main motivation? How can I find other people searching in a similar way?

I can't thank you enough for this. It's really helping me form a picture of the challenges in the industry!

Felix

Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - Bobbin Threadbare

I did. It is convenient when you're having to book something at work or, using your mobile phone.

1. I googled the name of the company I wanted because I'd seen a poster advertising the good offer.

2. I looked for an online booking service.

3. Like I said above, pure convenience. Also I hate talking on the phone, but that's a 'thing' I have. This particular company also sends out mail shot reminders to me to book my MOT etc as I've used them for that job.

Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - madf

I book MOTs on line with Kwikfit when they have an offer.

I also book on telephone with our local independent. who I use to do the occasional job I am too lazy/incompetent/old to do..

I find Toyota dealers very competent. professional and cheap (for a dealer). They give a fixed price for service and stick to it. They are competent and the cars are largely reliable and easy to work on.

My non Toyota experience is mixed: BMW efficient but expensive and MB just too unreliable and expensive to use.

Most independents try to cover too many models and consequently make a hash of things. Eg: a 106 HG replaced, head skimmed and new radiator - fine.. but coolant not bled of air leading to overheating. Given the vast quantity of 106s on the road, that is totally unacceptable. (I bled it).

The levels of Quality Control in many agarges are minimal: bolts not done up, tools left under bonnets ( anyone want a Ring LED lamp?) and basics not done. - see above.

None of it is very complicated : checking afterwards: but my experiences of the trade over foru decades suggest there have been no general im[rovements. Cowboys still exist.

I would welcome a proper licensing system - and a strict code of conduct. If implemented many car dealers would go out of business.

I trust none - the uneveness of qualkity control suggests an industry working as blacksmiths did 200 years ago.

Apalling bunch of incompetents really. Some try hard but are still incompetent.. As for trying o charge for work not done.. I will not start.

I diy and will continue until physically or mentally incapable.

Apologies my google spellchecker does not work on this site..

Edited by madf on 11/09/2012 at 20:10

Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - John Boy

I’ve never tried to find an independent garage. If I did, though, I’d do a Google search for “independent car servicing” followed by the town I live in.

I’ve just done that and one site which came up is Checkatrade.com. I wasn’t expecting that, but the plumber I found on there previously was absolutely brilliant in all respects (most important was that he came when he said he would – both times).

If I was FelixK, I’d try very hard to get listed on there. “Garage/Vehicle Services” seems to be the category. That brought up 23 results in my area (the South East), but none in my town. The closest was about 18 miles away. As it happens, I’ve used a main dealer that far away, because one of their mechanics lived near me and was able to pick the car up.

Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - FelixK

I'm not actually a mechanic myself, I'm looking to make something better than existing directories and listings - somewhere people can get quotes instantly, book online, and feedback is more correct.

For example I can leave a review on checkatrade, even though I haven't used them, so it's hardly as valuable as something like ebay feedback!

Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - mechanickit

I think what you have to remember is that a mechanic you trust is not someone you would change, just like having an accountant.

That's why most mechanics dont go for online advertising unless their seeking out new business. It's a fact that 80% of a business's revenues come from 20% of their client base, these are repeat customers that pay full prices.

To attract new customers a mechanic woud be giving a discounted price and spending money on advertising, its an arduous process.

Most mechanics rely on their reputation (last job) as their way to gain more business. Nowadays, having RAC Approved status or MotorCodes goes a long way to ensure that the client has peace of mind in having their vehicle looked after by such a mechanic.

Having a directory that is more of a network, i.e. specialising in a particular car, driver or some other factor would allow you to act as a resource. giving information on that, say, high performance mechanics directory, and giving useful tips on spray jobs, new engine tuning, etc etc...

We work in the automotive sector and alongside mechanics instaling and developing systems for their garage to work more efficiently, including marketing.

Edited by Avant on 06/03/2014 at 22:14

Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - Snakey

I find too many main dealers (particularly toyota in my recent experiences) have 'laptop jockeys' instead of mechanics. If the computer says no fault, then theres no fault so its just you!

I've found a few local independents now that I trust - simply based on honesty and quality of work - not necessarily the cheapest price. I also find some independents are better at somethings than other - ie servicing by one and fault finding by another.

The last service I had on my car is an experience that would cause me to recommend the garage to others. Car was serviced on time and according to price, mechanic was honest in his appraisal of what needed doing/might need doing in next 12 months and the price was about midway between the cheapest garage and the extortionate toyota pricing.

Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - Ben 10

I took a Focus to a family run franchise garage for a first service. When picking up, I had a quick look round and found damage to the rear bumper. (The parking was quite tight around the garage entrance). They repaired it free of charge, but the inconvenience was annoying.

So the next service I took to a large Ford franchise outfit. They found the pollen filter had not been changed since the car came out of the factory. (1st original part is slightly different to replacement service part). The pollen filter had been charged on the first service at the family run garage.

So just because the garage is an inde or family run, doesn't mean you are getting a good job or value for money.

Obviously you are never in the "shop" while the service is being done. So I just wish that whatever you charge for, you actually do what is listed on the receipt. If you do, people will come back. When the vehicle has finished being serviced actually call the owner. It seems no matter who has my car, I have to ring them to find out the state of play. They're very good at calling when they pick something up to replace, but very poor in contacting when completed.

I would like to see service hours extend into the evening and on a Sunday. Some garages have night servicing, which depends obviously who your neighbours are!

Edited by Ben 10 on 06/03/2014 at 13:52

Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - Gibbo_Wirral

The biggest gripe I hear from people is misdiagosis and subsequent shoulder shrugging from mechanics.

They'll have a problem, the mechanic will stick on the generic code reader, look up the fault and then replace that part.

However, it doesn't fix the problem and the garage then proceeds to throw parts at it - at the customers expense - until it sorted.

Or the mechanic gives up and the customer then comes to our forum to ask for help and advice.

Granted, mechanics and garages can't be expected to know all quirks and issues on all cars, or own every different diagnostic tool going, but there's nothing to stop said mechanic going online and searching.

A good example is a very common fault on the Peugeot 307 - ABS kicks in at low speed breaking. This is because of dirt and rust accumulating behind the rear sensors, pushing it away from the hub.

Yet on at least three occasions people have said that the garage has changed the sensors (but not cleaned the mount point) and its not fixed it, which it won't until they do.

And there have been two occasions where a certain breakdown company have said that the high pressure fuel pump is faulty when its been fine and the problem was the filter built into the pump was clogged. The cars had done over 150,000 miles and long exceeded the estimated life of the pump.

Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - skidpan

I think what you have to remember is that a mechanic you trust is not someone you would change, just like having an accountant.

That's why most mechanics dont go for online advertising unless their seeking out new business. It's a fact that 80% of a business's revenues come from 20% of their client base, these are repeat customers that pay full prices.

To attract new customers a mechanic woud be giving a discounted price and spending money on advertising, its an arduous process.

Most mechanics rely on their reputation (last job) as their way to gain more business. Nowadays, having RAC Approved status or MotorCodes goes a long way to ensure that the client has peace of mind in having their vehicle looked after by such a mechanic.

Having a directory that is more of a network, i.e. specialising in a particular car, driver or some other factor would allow you to act as a resource. giving information on that, say, high performance mechanics directory, and giving useful tips on spray jobs, new engine tuning, etc etc...

We work in the automotive sector and alongside mechanics instaling and developing systems for their garage to work more efficiently, including marketing.

(Link deleted, and I've disabled his account.)

Yet more blatant free advertising dressed up as a forum post.

When will these posters learn that forum members are not stupid enough to be taken in.

Edited by Avant on 06/03/2014 at 22:18

Car Mechanics - What needs to change? - Ben 10

Well done Avant. I was just going to say to Skidpan that you had edited the link out of the post, and he had it in his. You beat me to it. ;-)