"oilrag, I wasn't singling you out. It was a general comment, not specific to one person."
I was always being singled out at school by Miss Nugent. but I caught the twinkle in her eyes and knew she didn`t mean it.
By the way, a lot of what I wrote above about Button and `laren, yesterday, seems to be in one of the more `orrible tabloids that entered our house today.
Shoved or not. That is the question.....
Edited by oilrag on 19/11/2009 at 14:35
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"oilrag, I wasn't singling you out. It was a general comment, not specific to one person." >>
oilrag, looks like you pressed the wrong reply button again. {I was going to attempt to reformat this thread, but too many people have since replied and there's a risk of posts going astray if I start unstitching and restitching it back together again}
button, oh yes, are talking about Button's buttons money offered by Brawn.
Autosport are reporting that Brawn are somewhat miffed that Button has departed.
Edited by Dynamic Dave on 19/11/2009 at 21:37
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It seems to me that it would not be in Brawns/Merc`s commercial interests to say anything else.
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.. it would not be in Brawns/Merc`s commercial interests to say anything else. .. >>
This is what Fry reportedly said:
" "I respect his decision," said Fry. "It's not one that I would have made and maybe he has been poorly advised.
"Clearly, loyalty would be nice but in this day and age you don't expect too much of that. I'm always happy when any employee leaves our company if I think that they've made the right decision and they are going to a better job and they always go with our blessing if that is the situation.
"In this situation, we don't understand the logic of the decision and I think Jenson is going to have to up his game if he's going to beat Lewis on home territory."
"Jenson will not be doing anything at all for McLaren until the end of this calendar year," Brawn chief executive officer Nick Fry told AUTOSPORT. "And if he does, we will be looking on it very dimly.
"He didn't have any obligations to us for 2010, but there are issues with regards to the signing process on which we are in discussion with him at the moment.
"There are clear constraints on what Jenson can do between now and the end of the year, which we will be rigorously enforcing." "
Edited by jbif on 19/11/2009 at 15:34
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Sounds like they are not too happy about the situation! It really does look as if it has come down to brinkmanship over money at the end of the day: (link made non clickable)
www.independent.co.uk/sport/motor-racing/button-si...a
sh-for-half-hamiltons-salary-1823049.html
"As late as Tuesday, Brawn said he would be "amazed" if Button had agreed terms with McLaren. But Button and his management were understood to be furious that, following the takeover, Brawn and team chief executive, Nick Fry ? both of whom, as shareholders in the team, personally made millions from the deal ? refused to raise their salary offer to Button of around £4.5m a year."
Button is apparently on £7.5m at McLaren still around half what they pay Hamilton. Many people would be swayed in their decision making process by the odd £3m pa!
I still think that JYS is correct and that this is not a good move for Button. Career wise he would have been better to stay at Brawn.
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I don't think a brilliant move - but for £18m over three years is it that bad?
I bet Button is annoyed perhaps he did not get a share of the company after agreeing the big pay cut. Brawn gets a lot of money from a team he got for very little from Honda. I wonder how much Mercedes would have had to pay Honda if they just bought the the last year. Lets not forget most of the budget for running the team this year came from Honda.
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Guess Button feels that as a World Champion, Brawn should have offered him as much as other ex World Champions like Hamilton and Raikonen are paid. Even at McLaren, he is still only on around half of Hamilton's salary and Raikonen was very well paid at Ferrari. Doubtless Alonso is similarly well paid at Ferrari.
Button has put a great deal into the team and put up with some very lean years in dreadful cars. And he had to pay out of his own finances to get out of his commitment to move to Williams. So yes he may well have wanted some stake in the new company.
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"Clearly, loyalty would be nice but in this day and age you don't expect too much of that."
If that`s a genuine comment from Fry, (after Buttons previous, years of commitment and salary cut) I wonder how long before Fry exits too?
If I were head of Mercedes F1 - I would want to have a very professional and discrete image projected to the press - and public.
After all - this is now a Silver Arrows works team. It seems to me others, other than Jenson will need to " up their game".
Edited by oilrag on 19/11/2009 at 17:55
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Me think Brawn Man speak with forked tongue.
Are they really trying to tell us that MERCEDES couldn't come up with an extra £2 million for someone they really really wanted to keep?
Button was effectively sacked to make way for German drivers.
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It may well be the case that Mercedes did want two German drivers. However, there is one thing they will want more than that and that's success. Button is one of the quickest drivers on the grid and the tone of the comments quoted earlier in the thread by jbif shows that they are seriously unhappy about Button's move.
Rosberg is still something of an unknown quantity as he has not had a good enough car to show his potential. His likely team mate, Heidfeld, has been quick on his day but that is about as far as it goes. Button is much more of a known quantity in terms of proven front runners.
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According to Autosport, in an interview with Nick Fry, Jenson has accepted less money to go to McLaren than stay with Brawn / Merc.
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>>Are they really trying to tell us that MERCEDES couldn't come up with an extra £2 million for someone they really really wanted to keep?
According to this story, Button could have earned more from Brawn, had he stayed, than he is reportedly getting from McLaren; so perhaps it isn't just venality, unless Jenson has seriously cocked up negotiations.
www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5703584,00.html
Edited by Manatee on 19/11/2009 at 21:30
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, "unless Jenson has seriously cocked up negotiations."
Seemingly `fried` his chances at Brawn/Merc by looking around the other team.
It seems indecently vulgar though to me, that Button took a massive pay cut, allegedly paid for his own airfares to races - in economy - yet didn`t seem to benefit from the massive `profit` of multi millions acquired, allegedly by Brawn and Fry.
I can see how Brawn himself was worth it - but Fry?
It seems Button was then cold shouldered on the financial/ contract side of things when he should have been relaxing enjoying his Championship.
Let`s not forget the allegedly booted out Barrichello too - who along with Button gave them the constructors championship.
Don`t bother ringing me up offering a drive, Fry.
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Don`t bother ringing me up offering a drive Fry.
I get the feeling you dont have a spot on his speed dial, so you should be ok.,
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