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How did they pass? - SteveH42
I suspect we\'ve all seen people driving around who we have thought this about. Got a classic yesterday. Black A-class Merc with green \'P\' plates on it. Moving away from lights on a two-lane stretch of road I was slightly alongside him and gaining slightly when he decided he wanted to be in my lane. No signals and a swift \'chop\' rather than a smooth movement. Luckily I was on the ball and as I\'ve now moved to using lower gears (thanks group!) was able to avoid him. Followed him for another mile or so and the driving was a bit bad - didn\'t seem able to control the car and was weaving quite badly. This was in quiet traffic as well...

Really does make you wonder if the test actually does enough to ensure drivers are safe to be \'let loose\'.
How did the pass? - buzbee
Makes yer think. Was it him who took HIS test ?
How did the pass? - Jane
They probably learnt to drive in a nice safe 1.1 fiesta and are completely unable to control the slightly nippier A Class. It's just as well Mercedes sorted out their little 'Moose' test problem or said A Class would probably have upended itself with driving like that!

FYI I took most of my driving lessons in my own car and passed the test first time in it too. (and yes it was a 1.1 fiesta!) ;o)


Fill what's empty, empty what's full and scratch where it itches!
How did the pass? - PhilW
Are you sure they weren't on the mobile? I seem to be seeing an increasing number again with mobiles to ear - especially truck and van drivers who you would think would have been the first to get hands - free fitted if they are so important to their work!
How did the pass? - teabelly
I have been thinking the same thing this week. After being bent by a corsa I was then nearly chopped by a micra turning across me a few days ago. Today I was again nearly side swiped by yet another dozy corsa driver and there were several incidents of people trying to hit me today but not making such a good effort as the corsa drivers have managed so far.

I am beginning to wonder whether it is my driving or the car has suddenly become magnetic to fools ;-)
teabelly
How did the pass? - Phil I
Not magnetic TB. Its just some days the Cone of Invisibility surrounds your motor:-))

Happy Motoring Phil I

ps.Had same syndrome in the days when I was riding my pedal bicycle to work and back a long time ago.
How did the pass? - Hawesy1982
Its just that you are taught to pass a test, not be able to drive.

My test lasted 25 minutes, and whilst i would consider myself an excellent driver now (don't we all?), its slightly scary thinking back to how much *less capable* - not necessarily 'worse' in the eyes of the law - i was 4 years ago (still passed 1st time, 3 minors).

Then again, you can't pass without learning, and you can't learn without time on the road, and you can't get that much time on the road when it costs £20 a lesson....unless you are allowed to pass before you are truely capable enough.

TIC Mode On:
I suppose thats one of the things us perfect drivers will have to learn to live with.

TIC Mode still On:
Also, 25 minutes of concentration you can do, the rest of your life you are not being marked down for weaving all over the road, not signalling and so on, so unless you get stopped by the police, there is no need to concentrate on your drivng skills
How did the pass? - matt35 {P}
Hawesy,

Makes the unlimited free of charge Observed drives with the IAM look a bargain?
Have you started yet?

Matt35.
How did the pass? - Welliesorter
Makes the unlimited free of charge Observed drives with the IAM
look a bargain?


As the subject of the IAM has been raised again, I'll ask the question: is it a good way for an inexperienced driver to improve his skills? The use of the word 'Advanced' makes me wonder whether a certain level of experience is assumed first.

To add my twopennorth to the original topic, the driving test is a lot harder (or at least far easier to fail) than it used to be. On the other hand, instructors do often fall into the trap of teaching pupils to pass the test rather than actually drive, even to the extent of taking them round known test routes.

The things that I've found most difficult since passing would be hard to teach. They are understanding and predicting the behaviour of other road users and, above all, knowing where to go.

How did the pass? - matt35 {P}
Welliesorter,

Good comments;

Yes - it IS a good way for an inexperienced driver to improve his or her skills.

We normally expect that a new driver needs 3 months experience before joining us.

If I was a driving instructor, I would probably go after as many passes as I could get - to get a reputation for passes - and to make a living.

As an IAM Observer, I sometimes take nervous drivers around what I think may be test routes, but, if I have done my job right, they could drive round Hyde Park Corner at rush hour with the same preparation.

I will copy your comments to our 'Young Driver' contact to consider if the word Advanced could be putting young drivers off.

Matt35
How did they pass? - SteveH42
Then again, you can't pass without learning, and you can't learn
without time on the road, and you can't get that much
time on the road when it costs £20 a lesson....unless you
are allowed to pass before you are truely capable enough.


Maybe there should be incentives to encourage family / friends to accompany learners prior to their test? I do agree with your point of the cost but should we really let people pass who aren't quite read simply to save them money short-term?

How about a two-stage test? First stage similar to now which proves you can handle the car. Once this has been passed, you are allowed out accompanied with less restrictions on the basis you pass a further 'competence test' with 6 /12 months?
How did they pass? - teabelly
I think it would be a good idea to restrict the type of car or the number of passengers or even the hours of use of a car for those within the first year of having passed their basic test anyway, even if there wasn't a second level of testing. Bearing in mind the number of people on the road without a licence or those that have paid someone else to take the test if you make the driving test too onerous then you will encourage cheating to such an extent that it could make actual on the road driving standards worse. Perhaps passplus should be made free and more heavily encouraged so that anyone taking passplus and getting a reasonable standard of competance gets much lower insurance premiums than someone that didn't bother with it.

I think IAM courses should also be much more widely promoted and company car drivers/ other commercial drivers should get tax incentives to pass the test. If you raise the standards of enough drivers then the dipsticks will have less of an impact and hopefully others' good habits might rub off on them a bit.
teabelly
How did they pass? - matt35 {P}
teabelly,

This is why the IAM reduce from £85-00 to £75-00 for under 26 year olds and our Group reduce another £35-00 - cost is total £40-00 for the younger drivers - and we supply the £12-00 books required for the course free of charge.

This, plus unlimited Observed drives makes it a good investment for any driver.

Matt35
How did they pass? - SteveH42
It's a shame really that the IAM has so little penetration in to the minds of motorists. I was playing with the idea of taking courses a while back but at the time did not have my own car so it would have been tricky to arrange to have my mother's when I needed it. However, had I realised that there was a discount for U26s I'd have looked again when I got my own car a few years back. Too late now to take advantage by no reason not to find out more I guess.
How did the pass? - L'escargot
Really does make you wonder if the test actually does enough
to ensure drivers are safe to be 'let loose'.


Some people are just not psychologically compatible with driving.

I try to observe what's going on around me for more than one reason. Firstly I try to spot the potential hazards before I'm actively involved in them. Secondly I try to learn both by my mistakes and by the mistakes of others. And I try to continuously monitor my driving style. Talking to others also helps. I'm sure I've avoided lots of problems by emulating a colleague who said that he always partly turned round to look behind before overtaking or changing lanes, rather than relying solely his mirrors.

Some people never think beyond the minimum amount that is required for getting from A to B. What is more, it doesn't even occur to them that thinking in detail about what they are doing would be beneficial.

Not that I'm claiming to be perfect, because I know I'm not. But I do try.
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L'escargot by name, but not by nature.
How did the pass? - matt35 {P}
L'escargot;

"I'm sure I've avoided lots of problems by emulating a colleague who said that he always partly turned round to look behind before overtaking or changing lanes, rather than relying solely his mirrors"

Otherwise known as a Lifesaver!

Matt35.
How did the pass? - helicopter
As a matter of course and as an old ex biker I always check over my shoulder before pulling away as well as in the mirrors but my worst prang in 30 + years was when I dropped SWMBO at work , parked behind another car also dropping the wife off.

Car in front indicates and pulls away from kerb , I indicate and check mirrors, quick glance over shoulder, road clear behind, turned back round and I promptly accelerated straight into the back of the same car which has decided to stop again 10 yards up the road.

I know it was my fault but it didn't make it any easier at the time!
How did the pass? - Jane
Most of the drivers that feature in the TV programs like Driving School and Learner Drivers have taken their test well over 5 times. How many driving tests should one person be allowed to take? IMHO if you've failed the test 10 times already there is little hope that your driving is going to suddenly improve to the point that you are as safe as anyone can be on todays roads.

I appreciate that some people are perfectly good drivers until they take their test and then fall apart when put into 'examination' conditions, however some of the people in these programs, (from what is shown after editing!), are, it seems, completely hopeless drivers and would probably save themselves, and others, a lot of stress and money if they took public transport (although knowing our transport system they'd be better off walking!)

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Fill what's empty, empty what's full and scratch where it itches!
Advanced driving - Mapmaker
I remember 3 friends who did the advance driving test soon after passing (about 10 years ago). Getting into a car with them was like going rallying. I assume this was how they were taught, as these 3 people didn't know each other, and they all adopted the same driving style.

Every corner was to be taken on two wheels or in a skid; every set of traffic lights were to be started off from wheels spinning. Changing gear? Don't use the clutch, you'll wear it out. If you must use it, double declutch fast enough (so they told me) to beat the sychromesh. Speedlimits - speedlimits? speedlimits? Indicators - not to be used unless you could see other traffic - what about that pedestrian whom you hadn't seen - don't be so silly. Three point turn - so bourgeois; that's why you have a handbrake. Icy, wet, slippery leaves? - excellent; go round corners more quickly and sharply just to enjoy being in a spin. I don't recall the other rather unpleasant little habits now! but I'm sure their insurance companies (who were frequently being used) do.

I quickly came to prefer lifts from 'poor' drivers, who would nervously progress from each junction, looking all around them.

Oh yes, and the constant commentary of how & why they were driving used to get quite boring.
Advanced driving - AdrianM
Mapmaker, I have a friend who still drives like that at almost 40! But somehow he continues to get away with it.
Advanced driving - Mapmaker
these 3 may still drive like that for all I know!
How did the pass? - AdrianM
Anyone who has ever ridden a motorbike (& survived!) will always look over their shoulder before changing lanes.