"No tyre kickers or timewasters" - Miller
Surely this statement will put off many potential buyers from going to view a car for sale privately. It is almost like saying "If you come to look at it you buy it!" Any opinions?

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I'm a loser, baby....so why don't you kill me?!
"No tyre kickers or timewasters" - glowplug
Well I guess it depends how you interpret it. To me it means don't arrange to view it unless you are seriously looking for that type of car and have the necessary funds to buy at the price stated. If you're pushed for time (busy) or the vehicle is in storage I'd put this in the ad. I would think most of it could be sorted out in a phone call. I can see the other side of it too. I went 40 miles to look at a 'lovely motor' only find that the vender must have been blind and/or stupid.

Steve.
"No tyre kickers or timewasters" - 3500S
I agree whenever I see this, that's it, I do not counter any further thought about the car.

It might like nice and shiny in the supplied photo but that's only the beginning.

A short story of why, I looked a 'mint' '69 3500 Auto a couple of years ago. The advert even mentioned a full history folder, heritage certificate and a pile of MOT's going back to 1974.

The car looked great, it should have done, it was top money at £3750. However:

The tappets were noisy easily beyond adjustment tolerances indicating wear.

Some of the panel seam edges had corroded, only seen by shining a torch into the seam.

The interior smelt of damp, pulling out the rear seat squabs the noise damping felt was wet and the metal had surface rust so either the door rubbers were worn or there was ingress through a hole in the bodywork.

The battery box metal seam was cracked and badly corroded.

Now this isn't really all a big deal maybe with the exception of the tappet noise and panel seam rust. However it was sold as mint A1 condition, there was also a line in the advert 'No tyrekickers....' etc, etc.

I was quite annoyed that this wasn't mint and told him it wasn't worth top book either.

No doubt I was labelled a 'tyre kicker' but my impression is that it's a pressure line to encourage a quick sale.
"No tyre kickers or timewasters" - owen
Another thing, why do vendors think that a 3 year old receipt for new tyres, an old invoice for some brake pads and a load of old MOTs constitute a "service history"??
\"No tyre kickers or timewasters\" - Dynamic Dave
Surely this statement will put off many potential buyers from going
to view a car for sale privately. It is almost like
saying \"If you come to look at it you buy it!\"
Any opinions?


Do \"Wet Paint, Do Not Touch\" & \"No Loitering\" signs deter people from doing so? I think not.
"No tyre kickers or timewasters" - robZilla
How about this - several months ago I was helping my sister to buy a second-hand car and we spotted a nice little Mitsubishi Colt at a local dealer. Had a look round it and all seemed well so I requested a test drive. The salesman then spent the next ten minutes trying to make me promise that we'd buy it. If I didn't promise, he said I couldn't have a test drive!! I then spent a couple more minutes trying to explain that I wanted the test drive to help me decide if I was going to buy it but to no avail. Needless to say we took our money elsewhere..
"No tyre kickers or timewasters" - frostbite
I think it's fair enough in an online auction and not especially offensive otherwise - certainly not enough to get huffy and miss something that looks like a bargain.
"No tyre kickers or timewasters" - Mike H
Sorry, I disagree - I think the mere inclusion of such phraseology indicates a certain level of intelligence and corresponding social skills. It equates with me to the more moronic adverts on ebay which tell you little about the car but have reams of text such as "you are bidding to buy not to look", "contact me first if you have a negative","I reserve the right to remove bids etc". I'd give any car a miss which went on about timewasters & tyrekickers, chances are the car hasn't been propoery looked after. All these comments are, of course, simply my opinions.
"No tyre kickers or timewasters" - lordwoody
I agree , and also particularly hate the expression "drives beautiful" and suchlike in private car ads, usually indicating that it's a trader masquerading as a private seller and one under the mistaken opinion that such phrases denote quality and sophistication.
"No tyre kickers or timewasters" - Aprilia
I well remember a couple of year ago I was looking for a nice used Mercedes S-class. A dealer about 100 miles away had one. I rang, asked a few questions about the car and told him I'd come and look at it.

Arrived following Saturday at 9am (having driven about 100 miles). Looked around the car, found a few minor faults, but basically OK.

Then asked for a test drive. "We can only give you a test drive if you agree to buy - we only give test drives to serious buyers" !!!

In the end I walked away, appalled at their attitude, and drove the 100 miles home. The salesman made no effort to persuade me not to leave. I saw the car still advertised for a couple of months afterwards.

Incidentally, I wasn't in scruffy clothes either - I was smartly dressed, turned up in a near new car and had my 12 year old son with me (also smartly dressed).
"No tyre kickers or timewasters" - v0n
Originally posted by Mike H
It equates with me to the more moronic adverts on eBay which tell you little about the car but have reams of text such as "you are bidding to buy not to look", "contact me first if you have a negative","I reserve the right to remove bids etc".

You are clearly either very lucky seller or never sold anything on eBay. Unfortunately starting online auction costs money, and the more car is worth the more money you have to pay after the auction is over. What you call "moronic adverts" is simply the only way to avoid the mess place like eBay can make to your sale.
Unlike normal auction, at online places everyone is brave and feels they can do what they want. Since anyone can register new account you will have sellers of cars identical to yours bidding for your car just to make it look more expensive than theirs. You will have 16 year old kids bidding "for their m8" after long night in a pub. Regular nuts that will then tell you they were just trying to win the auction but intend to pay half the price. Scammers from Nigeria and Indonesia that "will send you a genuine cheque for £2000 more and you organize shipping". The "moronic adverts" disclaimers as you call them are the only defence against "moronic bidders". And every time such sale doesn't go through you will loose £30, £40, £50 in fees knowing that the genuinely interested buyer could be just few bids down.
"No tyre kickers" is today?s "No canvassers". It's not rude; it's not there to make you feel smaller. It's there because times and human behaviour dictates so. You'd be surprised but there are people that come around just to say "not really interested in the beemer but how much for the alloys". I might be fine with it, for me it might be just another buyer, but there are people out there with busy schedules. If I had to cancel appointments and rush miles from work every day just to hear "yeah you said car was red in the advert, my daughter wants red fiesta, I though I would come around to see how if Ford Mondeo is anything similar" I would probably be the first one to put "no tyre kickers" in my adverts.

davemar's post is actually funny but leaves sellers with:
FIAT PUNTO, red, old.

On similar note - have any of you guys noticed how every trade advert in Autotrader is written by Germans capitalising everything and everywhere? Eg:
Lada Samara, 1989, Red, Five Speed, Fool Service History, Passenger Assisted Steering, Rare Wiper, Front Windscreen Washers, Funeral Violet Cloth Interior. Bargin. /here price/

On the other hand, typical Loot advert is more of a Bletchley Park challenge:
Citroen XM,P,PAS,FEW,ESR,EM,RW/W,VROOM,PFFT,Zzz,/here price/OVNO
"No tyre kickers or timewasters" - Mike H
I don't have a problem with the point you are making, and the comments in the ads are valid, but when they occupy 90% of the advert, leaving just a few words about the car, it's ridiculous. And I'm afraid many of them appear to be written in a literary fashion which is not exactly queen's english....as you point out, no regard for proper capitalisation, punctuation, spelling etc - speaking personally, it just puts me off the product.

But perhaps at 50 I'm just old fashioned....!
"No tyre kickers or timewasters" - Andrew-T
You're not old-fashioned, Mike, you just have taste and common sense, which are in decreasing supply (as every generation says).
"No tyre kickers or timewasters" - PB
I think a better approach when selling a car is to make a judgement on the phone just how serious the buyer is. I usually ask 'are you specifically after an xxx?' If the buyer says they are not sure I tell them I am quite busy and happy to show them the car as it is exactly as described but (with good humour) I'm not a dealer so don't have the time to let people test drive cars just out of interest. One guy thanked me for being so frank and said he wouldn't come.
As far as a test drive goes I drive and do the things I would do when test driving a car (braking hard with hands off etc.). If I am unsure about their insurance status I tell them they can pay me, drive the car and if they have any reservations they can have their money back.

PB.
"No tyre kickers or timewasters" - DavidHM
With online auctions - I'm afraid I have a lot of sympathy because it's easy for people to forget that they are in a contractual situation.

Similarly, if there is something rare and in high demand then I can see where the seller is coming from.

If it's a P reg Escort however, then I can't imagine anyone turning up and I imagine that they'd be the kind of person who won't even consider negotiating on the price either.

Anyone who makes buying a condition of a test drive won't get my business either; it screams that they're hiding something.
"No tyre kickers or timewasters" - THe Growler
Nothing to fix.
First to see will buy
Very fresh
Rush sale, owner emigrating ......etc etc

The only non-specific (as to details of history etc) comments that make any sense at all are:

As is where is;
Caveat Emptor.
"No tyre kickers or timewasters" - M.M
I'm with Mike H, this phrase is one that will 99% be sure to stop me even phoning.

I pride myself on weeding out most of the duffers without viewing and the advert, careful scrutiny of the photo and questions on the phone car save so much wasted time.

Remember there is no such thing as an unmissable bargain!

M.M
"No tyre kickers or timewasters" - Phil I
V. true MM A short while ago you mentioned 3 questions you use when answering an advert over the telephone and I cannot find them on the site. Would you please repeat. Tks in adv. Phil I
"No tyre kickers or timewasters" - davemar
When you've prearranged with someone (usually a dealer) to look at a car, and when you get there its parked behind several other cars and will take ages to get out for a test drive, then you know something is suspicious about it as they are not keen for it to be test driven.

"First to see will buy" - always ask how many people have looked at it then, bet you're not the first.
"One lady owner" - having seen Britain's Worst Driver, that means it'll need a new clutch and have lots of dings on it.
"Rare example" - end of line special edition with a poncy name, or a cut-and-shut Vauxhall Sierra ;)
"One careful owner" - he had to be careful, the brakes didn't work.
"Sold as seen" - lemon.
"12 months MOT" - dodgy Dave has got a new colour printer.
"Drive away today" - before the duck tape on the brake pipes fall off.
"Best example around" - so why are 100 others also the best example?
"HPi checked" - we've checked its HPi, and its been written off, stolen and has finance outstanding, we just hope you don't ask.
"No tyre kickers or timewasters" - Blue {P}
He he, I've just seen my boss's old Vectra advertised from a garage on Autotrader! It's advertised with "exceptional fuel economy" (disel) and "excellent condition" with warranty etc. the advert rambles about what a lovely car it is.

He sold it because it drank Diesel like it was going out of fashion, there was a big scrape in the side, a hole in the diesel tank, there was a problem with the remote locks and alarm that he couldn't fix, and a few other bits and bobs that needed doing.

Reading the advert it looks like a car that I would be very interested in, it makes it sound like a gem, fortunately in this case I know better. ;-)

Blue
"No tyre kickers or timewasters" - THe Growler
Growlette has just read all this peering over my shoulder and made the pithy remark that if all you lot are so good at divining the truth from second-hand car ads how come you re-elected New Labour.

Out of the mouths of babes etc.....
"No tyre kickers or timewasters" - No Do$h
Don't look at me. Now before this degenerates, back to the subject of the thread....... (hint: Small Print / Politics)

No Dosh, aka Alan_moderator@honestjohn.co.uk
"No tyre kickers or timewasters" - Steve S
Nobody who is confident in what they are selling has any need to pre judge potential buyers. If it's good it'll soon go at the right price.

As for not offering test drives - only an idiot would part with significant amounts of their "hard earned" without one. So I guess there must be plenty of them out there, otherwise sellers wouldn't get away with it.

I'm disinclined to go anywhere if the seller views me as a potential time waster rather than a potential customer.
"No tyre kickers or timewasters" - No Do$h
As for not offering test drives - only an idiot would
part with significant amounts of their "hard earned" without one.


There is still the matter of insurance to consider. Many fully comp policies provide Road Traffic Act cover (the minimum required in law) for other cars. I certainly wouldn't let anyone who's abilities were unknown to me drive my car on that level of cover unless they had lodged the value of the car with me in cash. I would, however, drive the car myself and perform any reasonable manouvere the purchaser requested, including allowing that they place their hand on the wheel whilst cruising at NSL and whilst braking, to demonstrate no pull/judder etc.
"No tyre kickers or timewasters" - Steve S
"I certainly wouldn't let anyone who's abilities were unknown to me drive my car on that level of cover unless they had lodged the value of the car with me in cash. I would, however, drive the car myself"

Indeed, but I was aiming that comment at the idea that someone wouldn't get the car out unless you agreed to buy it! I can't imagine anyone being daft enough to accept that - but there must be some or they wouldn't be saying it.

"No tyre kickers or timewasters" - No Do$h
Fair point guv.
"No tyre kickers or timewasters" - Phil I
variant of the "promise to buy" for a test drive.

"We don't give test drives. Why would you want one anyway , theres a 24 month warranty on parts and labour with the car".

Needless to say no chance for the poor punter to read the small print binding him to have the car serviced every 3months, or see the myriad exclusions from cover.

Surprising the number of buyers who used to accept this flim flam and immediately sign up for 23% hp agreement for purchase of overpriced clocked repmobiles.


"No tyre kickers or timewasters" - lezer
Besides "No Tyrekickers" another line that puts me off going to see a vehicle is the words "Ideal first Car" What exactly do they mean by that?
"No tyre kickers or timewasters" - Mark (RLBS)
I have to say that it wouldn't put me off per se.

If I felt the car was iffy then I wouldn't buy; but if it was the car that I wanted then the "rudeness" of the seller isn't going to stop me having it. - although it might affect the bargaining.

Even dodgy, backstreet-traders sell good cars, at least sometimes.
 

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