From the Mgrover.org forum - Chinese Anti corrosion Be Afraid. - Old.Roverboy

Whilst reading up about the ZS EV on the Speak EV website, someone had posted a news article which mentioned that SAIC-GM were using a new process regards to corrosion prevention:

May 18, 2017 Düsseldorf / Germany

Henkel zirconium-based pretreatment solution drives technology upgrade

Setting New Benchmark: Henkel Helps SAIC-GM Make New Technological Breakthrough

Henkel Asia-Pacific announced that its automotive team had used Bonderite M-NT 1820 surface pretreatment technology to help SAIC General Motors Corporation Limited (known as SAIC-GM, a joint venture between General Motors Company and SAIC Motor) upgrade its car coating line.

The paint shop at SAIC-GM’s Jinqiao South plant, opened in 2003, used to employ Henkel’s traditional zinc phosphating pretreatment process to handle 300,000 units of passenger vehicles annually, including many premium models such as Buick Regal, Buick LaCrosse and Cadillac ATS-L. In May 2016, with full technology support from Henkel China, the paint shop upgraded its pretreatment process with zirconium thin film treatment which went into mass production merely after a one-week commissioning.

Kevin Cunningham, Pretreatment & Elpo Global Subject Matter Expert at General Motors, said to Terry Giles, Business Development Manager of Henkel Surface Treatment Global, “This upgrade is a success across Asia and will be viewed as a benchmark for future development by peers in the automotive manufacturing industry.”

Currently, almost all automotive OEMs are using traditional phosphating treatment processes. With their high-energy consumption, their use of heavy metals, and their creation of substantial solid and liquid waste streams, these processes are increasingly running up against ever-stricter environmental requirements. With a trend of more environment-friendly, cost-effective, high-quality and user-friendly pretreatment technology, Henkel launched Bonderite M-NT 1820 thin film pretreatment, a revolutionary technology that is viewed as an alternative to the traditional phosphating pretreatment. This ground-breaking solution will redefine the surface pretreatment technology in the automotive industry and set new standards for automotive manufacturers.

Bonderite M-NT 1820 surface pretreatment technology, as an alternative to traditional phosphating and passivation treatment, not only allows the treatment to coating process to be undertaken at room temperature without heating, but also fits all metal substrates, thus greatly shortening the process time and saving cost in equipment investment and process control. With Bonderite M-NT 1820, heavy metals, solid waste and waste water are all significantly reduced, thus saving resources and waste treatment cost. Since the processes of surface conditioning and passivation can be skipped, investment in process and equipment footprint are saved and the operational cost including water, electricity, gas and chemicals are reduced. With its excellent performance and strong capability of waste treatment and energy conservation, the Bonderite thin film technology has demonstrated high additional value to Henkel customers.

As a global leading supplier of automotive surface treatment products, Henkel is committed to green and energy efficient sustainable development and has never forgotten its social responsibility – to create more value for customers while helping them reduce environmental footprint. In 2016, Henkel won SURCAR Award for Environmental Footprint for the paint shop application of its Bonderite thin film pretreatment technology in passenger vehicle coating. The prize marks another milestone for Henkel in its pursuit of sustainable development.

Henkel is committed to developing solutions with cutting-edge technologies for automotive coating. Henkel is currently the leading service provider in the Chinese market to help customers renovate their outdated production lines by upgrading technologies, reducing the customer carbon footprint.

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From the above statement, if SAIC are using the exact same process then it looks like they don't actually galvanise their bodyshells but use a film process instead.

The process does require that the actual bare metal itself is of good quality to begin with.

From the Mgrover.org forum - Chinese Anti corrosion Be Afraid. - Brit_in_Germany

If you mean hot-dipping in liquid zinc, that went out with the ark.

From the Mgrover.org forum - Chinese Anti corrosion Be Afraid. - Old.Roverboy

If you mean hot-dipping in liquid zinc, that went out with the ark.

I didn't mean anything, it is an article on body/chassis treatment.

The important bit is the last sentence.

"The process does require that the actual bare metal itself is of good quality to begin with."

Edited by Old.Roverboy on 27/02/2020 at 09:44

From the Mgrover.org forum - Chinese Anti corrosion Be Afraid. - thunderbird

If you mean hot-dipping in liquid zinc, that went out with the ark.

Cars have actually never been hot dipped in zinc, its a myth. Just imagine what would happen if a complete body were dipped in vat of molten zinc at approx 420c, at best it would distort but what would happen to all the seam sealants used during manufacture, they would burn away. The surface finish left would be very lumpy and would take major preparation (involving very nasty paints) to get the finish required which is not possible in mass production.

Some cars used zinc coated steel in certain areas but when welded that zinc would obviously be burned away laving areas prone to rust.

Cars have been dipped in preparations after the basic shell is complete for years and no doubt today those preparations are far better than they were in years past. Steel quality is car more consistent as well.

With all the knowledge and processes available to manufacturers it beggars belief how Dacia and now MG can have serious corrosion issues. Either side of use there is one car on a 55 plate (Suzuki) and the other side the car is on an 08 plate (Toyota). Both look in great order. Our 2 Focus's looked good at 12 years old but both had some issues building in the rear subframes.

What Dacia and MG have done is inexcusable.

From the Mgrover.org forum - Chinese Anti corrosion Be Afraid. - Theophilus

What Dacia and MG have done is inexcusable.

Pay peanuts ... get monkeys (not intended as a derogatory racist remark I hasten to add!)

From the Mgrover.org forum - Chinese Anti corrosion Be Afraid. - Manatee

I always assumed that "galvanised" car sheet metal would be electroplated anyway. Having just looked up galvanisation I was surprised to see that it can still be called that when the application is non-galvanic.

From the Mgrover.org forum - Chinese Anti corrosion Be Afraid. - madf

Our 2003 Yaris is starting to corrode at the rear of teh sills.. where the rear wheelarch meets the sill.

All the paint has been eroded as has the galvanising of the sheet steel..(I plan to derust and repaint and seal in warmer weather.. ) It started like that around 6-7 years ago..

I shudder to think the rust situation if not galvanised..

From the Mgrover.org forum - Chinese Anti corrosion Be Afraid. - Brit_in_Germany

Yes, the term "galvanisation" has nothing to do with the applicaiton method. The zinc is more electronegative than the iron and so act as the anode in an elctrochemical cell. The corrosion occurs at the anode (zinc), protecting the steel (cathode) if the surface is broken.

From the Mgrover.org forum - Chinese Anti corrosion Be Afraid. - daveyK_UK
Poor from MG

It’s not like they could move production to improve quality from India to Romania like Dacia did with the Duster