Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - dave321

I currently drive a Focus MK3 Manual with the ecotec engine which is likely to give out soon, my fault for not doing my due diligence before buying.

Anyhow, my family is growing so soon will need 2 baby seats in the back, and modern baby seats are bulky. So would need to fit 2/3 adults and 2 baby seats.

Will need to be ULEZ compliant, I don't mind diesel as I will be doing the occasional long motorway drive, but mostly driving around London.

I've narrowed down to these choices below, budget is around £9k, and looking at ULEZ compliant, Automatic cars;

Saloons

BMW 3 Series 2015+; small-ish so not daunting jumping up from a small hatchback to this. Diesel engines are good

Merc C Class 2016+; slightly more roomier in the back than the 3 series, and more bells and whistles as standard than the 3 series (i.e. reverse camera etc).

BMW 5 Series 2015+; very solid engines, much more spacious than a 3 Series or C Class. Surprisingly cheaper/more available used than the 3 Series or C/S Class. Some even cheaper than 3 Series.

Merc E Class 2016+; Probably the most luxurious feel, more roomy than the above listed. E220D supposedly solid engines, more things fitted as standard, though the most expensive out of the ones listed above.

Estates

3 Series Touring: Looks really nice, in fact the only nice estate of the versions mentioned above. But is it any roomier than the passengers than the standard 3? Harder to source so more expensive.

SUVS

I know generally frowned upon by car enthusiasts, but just thinking about putting in 2 rascals into the car without having to bend down excites me! Lol

I want to avoid Qashqai's as I've heard the ones that are available within my budget (upto 2015ish) are quite problematic.

VW Tiguan: Same reason why I am choosing to avoid Skoda's/Audi's, because gearbox issues. I've not known anyone that's managed to get these cars to high mileage without gearboxes failing or causing major issues. However happy to be proven wrong.

Audi Q5; see above.

Lexus NX: Can't find any above my budget. Boot seems a bit too small.

I am open to suggestions (you guys are the experts!).

Edited by dave321 on 06/08/2025 at 14:44

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - galileo

Grand daughter had a 2 year old and a 3 year old girl: gave birth to twin boys so needed a 7 seater, found a Dacia Jogger which has service history, seems good, 1 litre turbo engine, from reputable dealer, leasing for about £200 per month.

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - Xileno

He wants automatic, I think only the Hybrid model comes with that so probably out of budget?

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - Adampr

Used BMWs and Mercs are relatively cheap to buy for a reason (they cost a lot to keep going).

I suspect most will suggest you'd be better off looking for a Toyota Auris, Avensis or RAV4, or a Honda CRV.

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - Chris M

"So would need to fit 2/3 adults and 2 baby seats."

It would have to be a very small adult or a very short journey, possibly both, with two baby seats in the back. I think only the outer seats would have isofix and it would be tricky clambering over one to enter/exit - especially in an emergency.

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - SLO76
I don’t personally rate any of the cars you’re looking at - on that budget. The 3 series and the Merc are really small inside, I had a 2018 C Class estate for a year and didn’t really get on with it, our Nissan Leaf was bigger inside. The 4cyl engines are unrefined and noisy at idle, the diesels suffer DPF issues and sensor problems, they’re poorly built inside and there’s less space than in most Golf/Focus size hatchbacks. The auto box requires a costly service at 77,500 miles which will set you back £500-£700 at a specialist and the parts are crippling if you need something other than service items. It was very comfortable though. I got shot of it after a year. I liked the look of it though so I get the appeal.

The 4cyl BMW’s aren’t paragon of reliability either, plus space is tight inside. I wouldn’t buy one as a family car for 4. They do drive well though. A genuine local BM specialist is an absolute must if you want to run one of these however. Main dealers are ludicrously overpriced, and most other garages have no clue how to maintain them reliably in their dotage. Ditto this for the Merc. Totally get the 5 series Touring though, these are nice things. But as with any modern DPF equipped diesel there’s loads to go wrong, plus the self levelling rear suspension can fail. I’d go for one without this. The auto box it a good one though, no daft automated manuals here.

I’d be looking at a Mazda 6 estate with the tough 2.0 Skyactiv petrol motor and torque converter box. They’re not quick mind, but they don’t really go wrong. Just make sure you get underneath to look for serious rust. The SUV CX5 with the same engine and box are good family wagons too, but avoid the diesels at all costs. The CX5 is more plentiful.

Wouldn’t touch a VAG car with the DSG box, so no Tiguan or Audi A6. They’re miserably unreliable gearboxes as they age, and you’d be buying at the stage where it’s liable to fail catastrophically. I’d be tempted by a manual A6 Avant, but I couldn’t find any when looking last year.

Sounds like you’ve the same requirements we had. The Merc estate I bought was a compromise, I couldn’t find a decent Mazda 6 estate at the time and had to jump. It was the wrong car, it wasn’t well made and lacked enough space for a family. But the budget I had was £16,000. The cars you’ll be looking at will be much older with many more miles up, I wouldn’t even think of one at £9k unless it had a perfect history and the gearboxes service has been done on time. Most haven’t, and no dealer will fork out to do it.

We effectively replaced the Merc with a VW ID3, which actually has much more space inside despite taking up less road. There’s no engine, so everything sits further forward. Rear space is more akin to a Passat than a Golf. But I know this isn’t on your list.

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - dave321

Also looking at 10 year old, 110k+ mileage Volvo XC60's. Though I've not heard many positives about their diesels, and not many independent garages near me like working on Volvo's.

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - Orb>>.

Also looking at 10 year old, 110k+ mileage Volvo XC60's. Though I've not heard many positives about their diesels, and not many independent garages near me like working on Volvo's.

So don't buy one.

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - dave321

What do you recommend?

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - Xileno

he Mazda 6 has already been suggested.

Any car at this age is going to be a gamble, it's a matter of balance of probability.

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - badbusdriver

What do you recommend?

You're already been given two suggestions by SLO.

To those, I'd add the Honda CRV and Civic estate, Toyota RAV4 and Avensis estate.

I suspect looking at your original and most recent post, image and badge is very important to you, so i'm not sure how well you'd taken to a Mazda, Honda or Toyota!. About the only "prestige" badge i'd be interested in spending my own £9k on would be Lexus. But the CT200h is probably going to be too small, and the RX (even a hybrid) is probably going to be too thirsty.

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - dave321

SLO's post was helpful and detailed however the Mazda's recommended don't fit my budget. In fact, the Petrol CX5 would've been the perfect fit for me I reckon if I could find an Auto, Petrol one for under £9k

Found a few Honda CRV's within my budget from 2014 with 100k+ mileage, may have a look at those. Same with the Rav4, which I think may be slightly more roomier. No Toyota Avensis estates within my budget unfortunately either.

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - badbusdriver

I am curious as to why you say the engine in your Focus is "likely to give out soon" in your original post?. Stands to reason that they don't all go pop and that plenty of 1.0 Ecoboost engines do provide sterling service to their owners with no bother (currently 400 on Autotrader with more than 100k miles). While we wouldn't recommend one on the forum, you already have yours, so I can't help thinking that as your budget can't get you what you want, keeping the Focus and looking after it as best you can for another year or two till you have a bigger budget might be the better option?. Look on Ford forums to find out if there are any particular signs of doom, best kind of oil to use, do's and don't's, etc. Find out if visual inspection can be done on the (wet) belt (I believe this is the case on the PSA/Stellantis Puretech).

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - Orb>>.

When all is said and done..........

If you want all the above,

Lease or PCP a brand new car that fits your needs. Hyundai doing a cracking deal on a Tucson at the moment .. others are available

It will be under warranty and you will know that YOU are the only driver

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - Engineer Andy

SLO's post was helpful and detailed however the Mazda's recommended don't fit my budget. In fact, the Petrol CX5 would've been the perfect fit for me I reckon if I could find an Auto, Petrol one for under £9k

Found a few Honda CRV's within my budget from 2014 with 100k+ mileage, may have a look at those. Same with the Rav4, which I think may be slightly more roomier. No Toyota Avensis estates within my budget unfortunately either.

Sadly, petrol auto Mazdas are not that common, especially the bigger ones compared to their unreliable diesel (avoid them) brothers and sisters. Most petrol autos get snapped up quickly on the used market and often kept for a long time, precisely because they are reliable, decent to drive (though not fast, just fine) and stylish.

In theory, the 'last' version of the Mazda 6 (a 'new' one with EV versions may well be coming back to the UK market soon) from 2012-22 should mean the early examples will easily be in budget, but it's unlikely the CX-5 will for the moment.

This is because the 2012-16 model never came in petrol auto form in the UK, only the diesels, and when the current version did in 2017, the current state of the second hand market means that used prices are still too high, starting around £11k - £12k for early ones (not private sales), if you're lucky.

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - John F

Anyhow, my family is growing so soon will need 2 baby seats in the back, and modern baby seats are bulky. So would need to fit 2/3 adults and 2 baby seats.

I am open to suggestions (you guys are the experts!).

Clearly, Focus sized cars will be too small. Forty years ago onwards, two consecutive second hand Passat estates gave us twenty years and over 400,000 miles sterling service. I would do the same again if necessary - can't understand the fad of tall short SUVs in place of estate cars for the modern family and its cargo. As a father with the huge expenses of a growing family I would be looking at as new a Skoda Superb estate I could afford (or similar), and run it till it drops.

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - badbusdriver

Anyhow, my family is growing so soon will need 2 baby seats in the back, and modern baby seats are bulky. So would need to fit 2/3 adults and 2 baby seats.

I am open to suggestions (you guys are the experts!).

Clearly, Focus sized cars will be too small. Forty years ago onwards, two consecutive second hand Passat estates gave us twenty years and over 400,000 miles sterling service.

Funny that, the Passat estate of 40 years ago was about the same width as a Honda Jazz, which would make it around 13cm narrower than the OP's Focus. And while the boot of the Passat would be bigger, a roof box on the Focus to supplement the boot would more than make up the difference.

can't understand the fad of tall short SUVs in place of estate cars for the modern family and its cargo.

While i'm no particular fan of SUV's, I do absolutely get why people might want a car that is shorter and taller than a traditional estate. Out of our cars, the one which fits the bill as the best family car would be the Peugeot Partner Combi. This was not an SUV, but it was tall and it was short. Absolutely massive boot (the pushchair would go in without being folded down), sliding doors was a boon in car parks, the higher seating position (along with those sliding doors) was a boon for getting the youngest son into and out of his car seat, and the massive tailgate could be sheltered under if the weather on family days out turned wet, in fact on a handful of occasions, we actually folded the seats down and had our picnic in the back with the tailgate open, happy times indeed. One of the modern versions of it from Citroen Peugeot or Vauxhall would be a much better choice of family car for the OP than a Superb (if image requirements allowed), but sadly the budget isn't enough to get into one of the newer cars with t/c auto.

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - John F

Clearly, Focus sized cars will be too small. Forty years ago onwards, two consecutive second hand Passat estates gave us twenty years and over 400,000 miles sterling service.

Funny that, the Passat estate of 40 years ago was about the same width as a Honda Jazz, which would make it around 13cm narrower than the OP's Focus. And while the boot of the Passat would be bigger, a roof box on the Focus to supplement the boot would more than make up the difference.

Our GL5 estate was my favourite family car. Bought in 1984 for £5500 with 13,000 miles on the clock it lasted till 192,000 miles when it was traded in for another used Passat estate in 1994. It was really practical with squared roof bars which could clip into the roof rails in seconds when necessary if the capacious rear ran out of space. At only around 3p per mile to own it was great value and a joy to drive long distance.

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - edlithgow

No

They all sound pretty awful, and furthermore dont seem a good match to your "roomier-than-the-Focus people carrier" stated criteria, which therefore probably arent your actual criteria.

Of that list, probably Lexus NX, "Can't find any above my budget.", IF it were true, would be a good thing.

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - Maxime.

Methinks this is another " I want an old prestige car big enough for my family " that won't cost me an arm and a leg to repair when it goes badly wrong..

None of the original suggestions are suitable.

Horses.. Water..

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - RT

Methinks this is another " I want an old prestige car big enough for my family " that won't cost me an arm and a leg to repair when it goes badly wrong..

None of the original suggestions are suitable.

Horses.. Water..

Old prestige cars have the same potential for high repair costs as when they were new - often higher because there's little competition between suppliers.

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - Xileno

I would approach this from the angle of seeing what's available locally combined with the availability of a good local independent who ideally specialises in the marque.

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - dave321

Do you have any suggestions, within budget?

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - De Sisti

Do you have any suggestions, within budget?

You have been given some suggestions, but appear to want someone to recommend one from your original list.

@badbusdriver gives some good advice about keeping your current vehicle and maintaining it as best you can (and add to your savings in the meantime).

Edited by De Sisti on 16/08/2025 at 06:57

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - dave321

Honda CRV and the Toyota Rav4 being the only suitable ones within the budget?

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - Xileno

Those two have good reputations but there are no guarantees with the budget you mention. Even a car that has a reputation may have been badly treated, at 100k miles it may be getting near needing some replacement parts as wear and tear. Go onto one of the many websites such as Heycar or Autotrader and see what comes up locally.

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - Adampr

Looking on autotrader, there are a lot of petrol, auto Avensis estates for under £9k. I haven't checked for every model recommended, but I would expect the same to be true for Rav4s and CRVs as they have been around for decades.

What is the criterion that you're not telling us?

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - japdriver

Another SUV style that would be worth considering is the Suzuki Vitara/SX4 cross. SX4 is slightly more spacious inside so probably a better choice for you.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202508055153609?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios-app

Auto, decent and reliable 1 litre turbo engine. Cheap to run. Solid and roomy cars.

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - edlithgow

Do you have any suggestions, within budget?

Kangoo and Berlingo comparison

www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkt4DL0X61g

He mentions one or two slightly more upmarket alternatives (Xantia, IIRC?). but, given your list, maybe not upmarket enough.

These ones are set up as MPV,s and from a quick look ULEZ compliant and auto versions seem to be available within your budget, though the manuals are apparently not unpleasant.

Edited by edlithgow on 22/08/2025 at 04:02

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - barney100

I know a bloke who worked for Marc and he really rates the 220, I've had 3 or 4 with this engine, the present in an E Class. I would go for this with one caveat, get a decent indie because the main dealers have little mercy on your wallet.

Help me narrow down these choices for me please! - SLO76

I know a bloke who worked for Marc and he really rates the 220, I've had 3 or 4 with this engine, the present in an E Class. I would go for this with one caveat, get a decent indie because the main dealers have little mercy on your wallet.

The engine is fundamentally strong, but it’s all the emissions control garbage it’s saddled with that goes wrong. We’ve a fleet of minibuses that use this 2.1 Merc motor and they’re constantly in the workshops for management and emissions lights coming on and they’re in and out of limp home all the time once they’re north of 150,000 miles. I also looked at a very tidy E220 diesel estate last year before opting for a petrol C200 instead. The 220 had loads of history and there was a heap of money spent on emissions related issues over the past two years, no doubt the reason why he traded it in. You could get lucky or you could be c******d by one. Parts are very expensive outside of basic service items. Two of our buses had aftermarket DPF’s installed last year, which sadly didn’t stop them constantly flagging EML warnings and going into limp home. The Merc DPF is a fortune for them, but clearly the firm have set up the electronics to reject aftermarket parts.