|
When I try the 2nd video it start 15 seconds into the clip. You have to click the red slider at the bottom to get it to the start.
Yes the lorry is too close. HOWEVER, despite him being too close you deliberately brake!!! Thought someone with your experience would know better!!
I'm with FP. Don't know why you posted this either!
|
|
I wanted to highlight the bad behaviour of some hgv drives, The speed limit on that road is 50 which is what I was doing, so the hgv driver was clearly speeding, as I said note the distance between us when he came of the roundabout, and note he caught me before i got to the other one., and he was on my rear bumoer* long before I started slowing down for the roundabout, and since he was still closing on the roundabout he was clearly taking that too quick as well.
Why post it here, I wanted to see what people thought, isnt that the reason why anyone posts anything on here.
As for me breaking there may very well have been a reason to brake which is why you are supposed to leave an overal stopping distance. Esp on or on the approach to a junction of any description.
Edited by 30 yr's a Professional Driver on 29/01/2018 at 21:52
|
|
It's not for individual drivers to enforce speed limits, report the vehicle to the authorities and operator. Your method can lead to road range and/or accidents.
Anyway. ACPO (now NPCC) guidelines don't start legal action until 57mph in a 50 limit, so most HGVs will be driving on their limiters.
|
|
not true actually, the speed limit is not a guideline, it si 50 for everyone or whatever the number in the road sign is, and it was 50 on that road, so in any vehocle 51 or more is speeding.
|
not true actually, the speed limit is not a guideline, it si 50 for everyone or whatever the number in the road sign is, and it was 50 on that road, so in any vehocle 51 or more is speeding.
I'm well aware what a "guideline" means - you've got your work cut out if you want to physically enforce that no driver exceeds any speed limit, by any amount - but as I posted, it's not your job.
|
|
I agree on your point about me enforcing the speed limit and concede your point on that one.
I actually got done about 5 years ago doing 31 in a 30 zone and know of people who have been done for doing 1 mile an hour over the speed limit, as it is a limit - full stop.
Have we become drivers where most of us ( not me ) disregard the old basic rules of safe driving, some which are
staying within the speed limits, and treating them as a limit and not a target, is that why there are so many collisions in adverse weather conditions ? because we still regard teh limit as a target even when grip on the road is so much worse then normal.
have motorist in general totally abandoned safe driving distance, thinking distance, overal stopping distance, 1 or any combination of the 3 ?
You asked why I posted this, to open a debate on these questions between you all, my friends.
|
|
|
|
|
"... it was 50 on that road, so in any vehocle 51 or more is speeding."
As you were, briefly, when you touched 51mph in the first clip, at 3:58.
|
|
|
|
|
|
"As for me breaking there may very well have been a reason to brake..."
But presumably there wasn't, apart from the fact that you wanted to make a point.
"Why post it here, I wanted to see what people thought, isnt that the reason why anyone posts anything on here."
So now you know. And I don't suppose it's doing your reputation ("30 yr's a Professional Driver") or ego much good. Professional drivers can reasonably be expected to have higher standards than those who are not professional.
And it's worth saying this about dashcams: they may not make the point you think they make - they will reveal things about your driving which, on reflection, you might not want to be made public.
Edited by FP on 29/01/2018 at 22:21
|
|
You appear to be deliberately 'brake testing' other vehicles.
Which is something that the 'cash for crash' scammers do.
God help you if there is an accident and they've got a dashcam fitted. You could well find yourself in considerable amounts of trouble, and charged with criminal offences.
|
|
if contact was made and a collison took place you might be right, however there was no contact and no colllision occured.
Anyway what would it show, show me doing the speed limit, it would show the truck behind me some 15 seconds behind but only 1 second behind before braking for the 2nd roundabout, which means he was clearly speeding, it also shows as I said he was taking the roundabout too fast.
Now let me ask you this, if someone had stepped out from the pavement, i dont know how many of you noticed there was a gate for pedestrians, but if someone had stepped out onto the road, would he have stopped in time or used my bumper to do that job for him ?
And also 1 thing else no one has mentioned he stopped so quick because he did not have a trailer, do you think he would leave a greater distance if he was pulling a trailer ? I think not ! In which case he would not have been able to stop in time.
Edited by 30 yr's a Professional Driver on 29/01/2018 at 22:51
|
|
anyway reports have been filed by me so I wil let you all know what if anything happens, consider this a test case, for everyone.
Also to see if the police really do prosecute drivers based on dashcam footage, or not. At the very least he is looking at a speeding conviction.
|
|
"At the very least he is looking at a speeding conviction."
Why so? You reckon it can be deduced by some calculations. The police are not going to prosecute on that basis.
"... it also shows as I said he was taking the roundabout too fast." - In your opinion.
Edited by FP on 29/01/2018 at 23:51
|
|
|
|
"... reports have been filed by me so I wil let you all know what if anything happens, consider this a test case..."
So what happened? What reports did you file, exactly? What was the response?
"... see if the police really do prosecute drivers based on dashcam footage, or not." So you sent in the dashcam footage to the police? Are the police prosecuting anyone?
"At the very least he is looking at a speeding conviction." Did he get a speeding conviction? And anything else?
Six months since you put up this stuff you must by now know the outcome. Tell us. If you can't or won't, it's another dent in your credibility.
|
|
|
|
|
You think you are in the right, everyone else thinks you are in the wrong.
Might be telling you something.
But you don't want to hear that. you are desperate to justify your own reckless actions, and will continue to do so.
It's the equivalent of a child sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting 'LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU'. You don't want to hear, so you've no intention of doing so.
If you think your actions were so wonderful, then might I suggest you send the video to the police, along with your name and address.
|
|
|
|
"... he stopped so quick because he did not have a trailer, do you think he would leave a greater distance if he was pulling a trailer ? I think not !"
Now you're guessing - or making assumptions. Really you have no idea whether the guy would have driven differently if he was towing and the point is irrelevant.
|
|
I agree generally with what everyone else is saying. I also casually noticed in the second video that at 2:40 someone else is having to flash you because you have come to random stop again. That to me says your driving and attitude are most likely the biggest issues, not other peoples driving. I'll bet you won't share the forward facing footage from the same time frame so we can see exactly why you randomly brake and come to a stop on these occasions.
|
|
Perhaps reference to the highway code is appropriate here:
Rule 147
Be considerate. Be careful of and considerate towards all types of road users, especially those requiring extra care (see Rule 204).
* do not allow yourself to become agitated or involved if someone is behaving badly on the road. This will only make the situation worse. Pull over, calm down and, when you feel relaxed, continue your journey.
Rule 168
Being overtaken. If a driver is trying to overtake you, maintain a steady course and speed, slowing down if necessary to let the vehicle pass. Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass. Speeding up or driving unpredictably while someone is overtaking you is dangerous. Drop back to maintain a two-second gap if someone overtakes and pulls into the gap in front of you.
|
|
If you are driving at the speed limit (actual speed not that indicated by speedometer) and you are being pressured by an HGV to break the law. there is not much you can do other than speed up or pull off to let the idiot pass. Legally you could make a call on your mobile to the police perhaps but they would probably not want to know.
|
If you are driving at the speed limit (actual speed not that indicated by speedometer) and you are being pressured by an HGV to break the law. there is not much you can do other than speed up or pull off to let the idiot pass. Legally you could make a call on your mobile to the police perhaps but they would probably not want to know.
That happens all the time on the M1 in the variable speed limit near us. At busy times they drop it to 50mph but if you drive at 50mph you have an artic so far up your ar5e you need to carry condoms. I have often wondered about requesting info via the Freedom of Information act about how many prosecutions for speeding and tailgating actually happen on this piece of motorway.
If a driver is trying to overtake you, maintain a steady course and speed, slowing down if necessary to let the vehicle pass. Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass. Speeding up or driving unpredictably while someone is overtaking you is dangerous. Drop back to maintain a two-second gap if someone overtakes and pulls into the gap in front of you.
When I brought up overtaking last year and suggested that drivers who close the gaps and force you into a dangerous situation were irresponsible I was told that it was me driving irresponsibly and overtaking dangerously.
Perhaps those people would like to comment again on this thread.
|
|
|
|
|
|
The HGV driver's behaviour may not be not ideal, though he doesn't seem that close behind, from the end of the first clip. Traffic always closes up a bit as it slows at a roundabout.
I'm not sure that your stopping and causing an obstruction to traffic (I assume that's what happened in between the clips) was a very clever thing to do, and not likely to calm the situation.
I think that this comment, the first from FP, sums it up perfectly.
|
|
|
The HGV driver's behaviour may not be not ideal, though he doesn't seem that close behind, from the end of the first clip. Traffic always closes up a bit as it slows at a roundabout.
I'm not sure that your stopping and causing an obstruction to traffic (I assume that's what happened in between the clips) was a very clever thing to do, and not likely to calm the situation.
Looking at your post and the two clips I'm not at all sure why you have posted this.
I agree completely. He wasn’t especially close, I experience worse on motorways. As for getting out of the car, it’s foolish and confrontational, and shows lack of respect for other drivers.
|
|
|
|
