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I too would like to have the evidence behind the 20 - 30 minute claim. I have an Auris hybrid and it will go into electric mode at low speed after about 2 miles of downhill driving.
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I was comparing models from 2017 which is the model year we have.
The OP didn't state if they were looking at brand new, but needless to say the model range for 2019 is completely different to 2017! Hybrids are now available in more spec levels, but they are still £2500-3000 more expensive than equivalent petrol versions. I would avoid the 1.0 petrol. Mpg won't be much better than a 1.5 and it will be lacking in power.
This is the list of Yaris hybrids available 'up to July 2017' (before the introduction of the non hybrid 1.5) according to this website. And i do remember seeing at least some of these on the Motability price list in early 2017, as i was spending a lot of time looking at it!. In the end, we plumped for the Jazz.
1.5 Hybrid Active CVT 5dr £15,815 85.6 mpg 11.8 s Details 1.5 Hybrid Design CVT 5dr £17,515 78.5 mpg - Details 1.5 Hybrid Design TSS CVT 5dr £17,915 78.5 mpg - Details 1.5 Hybrid Design W/Bt TSS CVT 5dr £18,710 78.5 mpg - Details 1.5 Hybrid Design White Bi-TONE CVT 5dr £18,310 85.6 mpg - Details 1.5 Hybrid Excel CVT 15in 5dr £18,315 85.6 mpg 11.8 s Details 1.5 Hybrid Excel TSS 15in CVT 5dr £18,715 85.6 mpg 11.8 s Details 1.5 Hybrid Icon CVT 5dr £17,015 85.6 mpg 11.8 s Details 1.5 Hybrid Icon TSS CVT 5dr £17,415 85.6 mpg 11.8 s Details 1.5 Hybrid Orange Edition CVT 5dr £18,465 78.5 mpg - Details 1.5 Hybrid Orange Edition TSS CVT 5dr £18,865 78.5 mpg - Details 1.5 Hybrid Sport CVT Auto 5dr £16,695 62.8 mpg 11.8 s Details 1.5 Hybrid Sport TSS CVT 5dr £17,095 62.8 mpg 11.8 s Details
But seeing as the OP is asking about a grant, wouldn't it be safe to assume he is looking at buying new?
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"we plumped for the Jazz"
According to today's Autocar, the next generation Jazz due out next year, will be hybrid only.
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"we plumped for the Jazz"
According to today's Autocar, the next generation Jazz due out next year, will be hybrid only.
I'd be fine with a self charging hybrid, but a plug in wouldn't be convenient as we don't have a driveway.
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Thank you, what made you go for the Jazz in the end?
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I work for Toyota, and it is stated on TGB's blog... The hybrid system will always be working, but no where near as efficiently as it could be until everything has 'warmed up', so to speak.
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Yokel: Have looked at TGB, but couldn't find any reference to this point. Any clues? Can't imagine though why the hybrid would take any longer than any ICE to warm up.
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There’s a battery, control unit, epicyclic gear set and a couple of motor/generators, utterly baffled as to why it takes time to ‘warm up’.
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Can't imagine though why the hybrid would take any longer than any ICE to warm up.
There is a possible theoretical reason why they could take longer to warm up. Toyota hybrids like most hybrids operate on the Atkinson cycle which uses clever valve timing that in effect gives a short compression stroke and a longer power stroke. This allows more of the heat to be turned into power, something like a 20% increase in efficiency. So there will be less wast heat generated.
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Indeed - the Atkinson cycle gives Diesel like levels of thermal efficiency (at the cost of only running well at fixed RPM, which is fine for a hybrid), and just like a diesel, they take forever to get warm because of it.
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Not in my experience. I find the Auris produces heat within a couple of miles, assuming free running, not sat in heavy traffic. My VAG diesels were a lot slower to warm up.
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Thank you, what made you go for the Jazz in the end?
They are pretty closely matched, and actually it was the dimensions of the two cars that led them to being the 'finalists'. As we live on a narrow street, i wanted something as spacious as possible, but still being as narrow as possible, something tricky to find on modern cars which seem to be getting wider and wider!. BTW, the Yaris and Jazz are both just under 1.7m wide excluding mirrors. I didn't actually test drive the Yaris so i can't say how close they are on the road, but from what i have read, the Jazz is perhaps a little noisier and less refined, but is sportier and handles better. But it was the practicality that swung it for me, with the Jazz having a bigger boot and the 'magic' rear seats.
We have the 1.3 engine with the CVT transmission, and i have been hugely impressed by this. It is much quicker and more responsive than you might expect (though it does like, and need plenty of revs to move quickly), especially if you read anything about a CVT in pretty much any of the motoring press!. One of the few exceptions is this website, where the Yaris (which has the same type of transmission as the Jazz) is described as being one of the best small automatics available regardless of what type of transmission.
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the Yaris and Jazz are both just under 1.7m wide excluding mirrors.
I find my Yaris has the biggest Dumbo ear door mirrors I've ever had, as witnessed by the scrapes down my garage door frame.
We have the 1.3 engine with the CVT transmission
Is that the straight auto, or the hybrid (which is actually a sort of epicyclic gearbox)?
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the Yaris and Jazz are both just under 1.7m wide excluding mirrors.
I find my Yaris has the biggest Dumbo ear door mirrors I've ever had, as witnessed by the scrapes down my garage door frame.
We have the 1.3 engine with the CVT transmission
Is that the straight auto, or the hybrid (which is actually a sort of epicyclic gearbox)?
One of the other reasons the Jazz appealed (in keeping with the desire for narrowness) was the electric folding mirrors!, can't remember if the equivalent Yaris also had this.
We don't have a hybrid Jazz, just the n/a 1.3. Re the transmission, as far as i am aware, it is just a CVT. Though, like the (non-hybrid) Yaris, it has 7 'steps', or artificial ratio's to make it seem more like a normal auto, or DCT. I think the Yaris hybrid has the type of system you refer to, but as far as i am aware, the current shape Jazz (like ours), is not available as a hybrid.
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