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Yep Brian, so it won't be long before we're a minority deserving of all sorts of concessions and special treatment !
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For now, Brian. But just wait until all the thirty-somethings who have so far avoided sprogging in favour of having a life decide they'd better get on with it. Many will have to go on IVF and end up having five, so that will more than make up for it.
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Chris - Thirty-something, no kids (that I know of).
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Steve,
Why not move your car? I know you shouldn't have to and so on, but surely the easiest solution?
BTW everyone it's Christmas. We should be more concerned about the damage cars do to kids, than kids do to cars.
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The point is that Steve's car is doing no harm, the kids are. Moving the car is unlikely to be a solution as Steve has already pointed out that there is only one garage and I suspect no off-road parking in his street from how he describes it.
Even if he could, why should he be inconvenienced by the kids anti-social behaviour?
I seem to remember their being a law on criminal damage in this country. Shame that Gatso haven't come up with a suitable camera.....
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As defined by the Criminal Damage Act 1971:
Property can be "Damaged" by being harmed, made less useful, made less valuable, or made unable to work. Damage does not have to be permanent.
Furthermore:
CDA 1971 s1 (1):
A Person who, without lawful excuse, destroys or damages any property belonging to another, intending to destroy or damage any such property
or
Being reckless as to whether any such property would be destroyed or damaged
shall be guilty of an offence.
'Nuff said.
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Steve's car hasn't currently got any dents. One disadvantage of using the law is that he'll have to wait until there are, then prove who did it.
Besides, taking legal action against the youngsters is likely to have a similar effect to taking Tiny Tim to court because his crutches constitute an offensive weapon.
If he wants to fight fire with fire, I suggest he installs a loud car alarm and grits his teeth. That'll learn 'em.
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The house was sold as having off road parking, which consisted of a gravelled area at the bottom of the garden. I used it once or twice before realising that (a) it's quite dark out the back so it's making it easier for anyone to steal it or cause damage, and (b) no-one seems to care that they are blocking someone in when the park in the passageway or the binmen fill it with rubbish. Some of the local residents are trying to get the council to clear up an area of rough ground behind the houses for parking, but the council aren't interested.
As for fitting a car alarm, I find this tends to concentrate their efforts on that car to see how many times they can set it off...
Lastly, putting a webcam on the car is a definite no-no. Quite aside from the fact you are breaking the DPA, any footage wouldn't be admissable as evidence in court...
I don't think that in general these kids are all that vindictive, they just haven't been brought up to respect other people and their property.
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SteveH...what's the problem with the DPA in these circumstances???
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Can't remember the full details, but the main one I remember from when I was looking in to this at work was to do with cameras that overlook public land. I can't remember if they are banned totally, or if you have to have signs up to warn people. I *think* the former, but don't have the documents at hand to check. I think the gist of it was that you can monitor people on your own land, but not where they have a right to be.
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Steve is right on this. DPA applies. Town Centre CCTVs get around it by Operational Rquiriements that define the areas that can be filmed and defining private places linked to signage. Any Camera into a public place would need an authoirty under the Regulation of Investgative Proceadures Act (or as it is known RIPA) even the Police would need this if they put a camera on your car. Admissability of any evidence gathered by video needs to be DPA complient and to carry a time/date stamp otherwise a waste of time.
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Pugugly - so if I were to see a crime being committed in a public place and filmed/ photgraphed the act this would be an offence under the DPA and the evidence would be inadmissible in Court ?
Nothing about the DPA surprises me but I'd be really interested to know more abot this. Thanks.
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Unfortunately the drop in the birth rate is among the educated and responsible members of society. The feckless and couldn't care less end are still breeding like rabbits, and this is where the problem kids emerge from.
In all seriousness, with the laws and the attitudes of the authorities as they currently stand Steve's only solution is to move house. Any attempt to deal with the situation himself will end with him in trouble, not the yobs concerned.
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"Any attempt to deal with the situation himself will end with him in trouble, not the yobs concerned."
Sad but so true.
Restrained a "yoof" who seemed intent on persisting with his demolition of someone else's property despite repeated requests to cease.
Was "lucky" not to be charged with assault apparantly, despite the restraint consisting of no more than sitting him down and standing over him until others arrived. No blows.
Never again.
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Sadly, once again Tom's right ! Steve, these yobbo's know their rights better than you and what's worse, your rights come a very poor second to theirs !
In this country today, those with fewest meaningful rights and the most to fear from the authorities are the normal, hardworking and decent decreasing majority who pay their taxes and support everyone else - including all the illegal immigrants, economic migrants, failed terrorists etc. etc. !
No wonder so many decent people are leaving the UK - I'm very tempted to join them !
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Hark at you lot, for ****'s sake, its Christmas!
I'm quite happy in this country. I'm also happy knowing that the significant majority of kids in this country are up to some good. Those that aren't are not a 21st century phenomenon.
I think all kids who are up to some good have interested parents who help them develop hobbies. It is everyones job to encourage youngsters in this respect but there will always be bank robbers, murderers, rapists, pickpockets, car-thieves and kids who can't be bothered to make it as far as the park to kick a ball. The last time such kids didn't exist was before the days of Accrington Stanley in the First division...
Happy Xmas, one and all
Splodgeface
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Splodgeface,
You are quite right in what you say about the majority of youths in this country basically good. However, for those who have to put up with the significant minority who delight in making their neighbours lives a misery that is no comfort. The difference between now and when Accrington Stanley were the cream of Europe is that the will of the authorities to do something about it has receeded in the face of PC thinking, and those who suffer violence and abuse at the hands of these yobs are powerless to take any action of their own without facing criminal charges. Someone deliberately damages your car with a football and your only redress is to bump up your own insurance premium by making a claim.
Happy Xmas to all NICE people.
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Someone deliberately damages your car with a football
and your only redress is to bump up your own insurance
premium by making a claim.
I know this isn't a footballing website, but remember we're talking about the world's favourite game. It is so exciting it can increase your chances of a heart attack by 25%. Some say it's Britain's greatest contribution to the world. Ever.
This will get me cained on this site, but I've kicked footballs up and down streets all over Europe, and hit plenty of cars/windows/passers-by in my time. I've also helped to bring chaos to the centre of a decent sized city by starting a game with 4 people and seeing it swell to about 30. Sorry!
Football is great fun. Although it is sometimes hi-jacked by undesirables, it is rarely an attempt by people to wilfully destroy property. I'm sure these kids are the same.
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Football is great fun. Although it is sometimes hi-jacked by undesirables, it is rarely an attempt by people to wilfully >> destroy property. I'm sure these kids are the same.
In my youth, we used jumpers, jackets etc as goal posts, and played on the village green. Nowadays kids play in any street but their own and use the cars as goal posts, etc. Perhaps to protect our cars, we ought to park in their parents streets, as they never play there.
Whatever happened to a good ol' clip around the ear'ole and sent to bed with no supper? Try it now and the kid'll have you up for ABH!!
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>>I offered my help but I would then have to be vetted to make sure that I\'m not a threat to the kids. I have no problem with being vetted but as I can only help on an occasional basis it made it uneconomic for the Scouts to have me done. The need for vetting and the costs involved are resulting in fewer and fewer people helping on a casual basis
Cockle, one way around this problem may be to contact your nearest volunteer bureau. Some (not necessarily all) offer a PECS service to voluntary/communtiy organisations too small or under-resourced to carry out their own checks. They may also be able to recruit volunteers for your group as well. This is true in Northern Ireland, but I don\'t know about where you live.
Just a small note about background checks - it should never be assumed that because someone has had a check carried out and has no record of convictions, that this automatically guarantees protection for children. The PECS system is an extra layer of precaution but is NOT a guarantee that people are honest/harmless/whatever, just a means of ascertaining an individual\'s criminal record (which can include things like penalty points, possession of a controlled substance, etc). There are plenty of people out there who have never been caught, or have been arrested but not convicted. Plus there
Where a group works with nursery school age children, it is also possible to access \"soft\" information from the police about the applicant, in other words any records the police may have about arrests, callouts for domestic violence, etc, even when these have not led to a conviction. However, this information is not available to groups working with school-age children or adults with learning disabilities.
Disclaimer - this information is accurate in Northern Ireland, where some of our social legislation is actually a little advanced over Britain. I\'m pretty confident that all the above applies across the water, but I cannot guarantee this.
Apologies for the non-motoring content, but I thought this might be helpful in the spirit of the \"I have a question\" threads.
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AndyMC,
all I can add is that it's a little scary, no very scary, whether you're in NI or England, that this is going on.
Again, I say that anyone with no cause for concern and in all innocence, would not mind in the slightest about the checks.
If people react against it for the 'human rights' thing, then, to me, they must have something to hide.
My opinion, doubtless different to many people.
HF
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andymc, thanks for the info, I'll make further inquiries and see if such a service is available here.
Cockle
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You're welcome, cockle. Let me know how you get on and if you can't get any further, I'll make some enquiries as to how you can try to progress things.
HF - the sad thing is that these sort of things are not new, but that we're only becoming more aware of them now. I guess the only thing we can do is try to protect our children as well as possible without "cocooning" them, which will ultimately leave them unprotected in a different way. I wish I had the answer to that one.
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HF - the sad thing is that these sort of things are not new, but that we're only becoming more aware of them now. I guess the only thing we can do is try to protect our children as well as possible without "cocooning" them, which will ultimately leave them unprotected in a different way. I wish I had the answer to that one.
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Andymc, agree totally. It really is a sad fact of life. My own instinct has alway been to wrap them in cotton wool, 'just in case', but I know what you mean about this not being the answer. If you ever find one, let me know, please.
HF
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Volvoman
I could not agree with you more "
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Discussion > How to get rid of kids
Thread Author: SteveH42 Replies: 54
How to get rid of kids - volvoman Thu 19 Dec 02 18:39
Sadly, once again Tom's right ! Steve, these yobbo's know their rights better than you and what's worse, your rights come a very poor second to theirs !"
But
"decent decreasing majority who pay their taxes and support everyone else - including all the illegal immigrants, economic migrants, failed terrorists etc. etc. ! "
how does this relate to the subject of a few teenager making a nuisance of themselves.
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Try again, this time it might make sense
Volvoman could not agree more with the following :
"these yobbo's know their rights better than you and what's worse, your rights come a very poor second to theirs"
BUT
"majority who pay their taxes and support everyone else - including all the illegal immigrants, economic migrants, failed terrorists etc. etc. ! "
how does this relate to the subject of a few teenager making a nuisance of themselves ?????
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