For a vehicle to have a VIN plate?
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After a certain year - sometime in the 70's, I think - it has to have one to pass an MoT. So yes, I suppose.
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Apart from the plate itself, the VIN number is stamped in various places depending on the car, usually one of the door posts.
They are supposed to check these at the MOT to make sure they agree with the number on the plate and the number recorded at the DVLA .
I'd have guessed that maybe the plate is not so important. There are places that will make new ones for classic cars whose plates have corroded away.
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To clarify further then: is it a legal requirement to have a VIN plate on a vehicle as opposed to the VIN number stamped on the chassis...?
I thought it was, but it isn't, according to the local Mercedes-Benz service engineer.
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no it is not a legal requirement to have a vin tag but it must have the "chassis" stamp somewhere.
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MoT testers manual (www.motuk.co.uk/manual_630.htm) says:
A Vehicle Identification Number (VIN or chassis number) is required on all vehicles first used on or after 1 August 1980. except those which are
. kit cars
. amateur built vehicles
If a VIN cannot be found the vehicle presenter should be advised of the likely location of the VIN and to thoroughly search for the number with the aid of the registration document. If following this action the VIN cannot be found the vehicle presenter should contact the nearest Vehicle Registration Office.
If more than one different VIN is found, the vehicle presenter should contact the nearest Vehicle Registration Office.
Check that the vehicle is permanently displaying a legible Vehicle Identification Number (this can either be
. on a VIN plate secured to the vehicle. or
. stamped or etched on the vehicle
body or chassis).
Note: A guide as to the likely location of a VIN is given in appendix B.
and since reasons for failure are listed as:
a. a Vehicle Identification Number not permanently displayed or not legible, or
b. more than one different Vehicle Identification Number displayed
then I guess writing it on a sticky label won't do - you have to have it stamped into the car somewhere.
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if it hasnt got a stamped chassis number then the vehicle isnt what it purports to be and was one time in the hands of the local stolen vehicle squad vosa have basically taken much of this role over now which is why the vic testing came in.
At one time when you built a kit car you were given a chassis number to stamp yourself and you had to take it to the local taxation office for approval but seing as you now need an sva then again its down to vosa to check.
Vin tags fall off cars due to corrosion of the rivets and therefore it is quite in order if you wish to stamp and affix one yourself to help the motman,i have done this many times over the years and it is quite legal.
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>"...to stamp and affix one yourself..."
Oldman,
So you've made your own VIN tags presumably from details you've known to be correct and fixed them yourself, because the originals were missing?
One of my contractors has an imported sprinter which doesn't have a VIN plate. It's been MOT'd twice (and not brought to his attention on either occasion). We noticed it when looking to check the axle weights and towing data, when comparing the VIN plate position with non-imported sprinters. Infact it appears to be a sticker, as opposed to a "plate".
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(meant:)
"It appears to be a sticker on the non-imported vehicles"
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A Vin plate (sometimes a sticker on the B-post) can easily be removed or altered. The stamped chassis number is the main id of of a car.
Interestingly, the police or highways enforcement personnel use the axle loadings on the Vin plate to determine if you're overloaded - I don't know what they do if the stamped chassis number is present but the Vin plate isn't?
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Interestingly, the police or highways enforcement personnel use the axle loadings on the Vin plate to determine if you're overloaded - I don't know what they do if the stamped chassis number is present but the Vin plate isn't?
Having spoken to someone who used to own stables and run 2 horseboxes, I believe there are other telltale signs as to what the maximum permissable weight is.
He told me that you could re rate a vehicle to 7.5 tonnes max by simply changing the springs, then the young lady that worked for them could drive it without an HGV license, so long at the gross weight was kept below the new limit.
I may have got the detail wrong, but you get my gist...
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A Vin plate (sometimes a sticker on the B-post) can easily be removed or altered. The stamped chassis number is the main id of of a car. Interestingly, the police or highways enforcement personnel use the axle loadings on the Vin plate to determine if you're overloaded - I don't know what they do if the stamped chassis number is present but the Vin plate isn't?
they would probably wave you on as they would be flumoxed, or arrest you thinking you have a ringer ;)
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Yes Eurocourier it has to have a VIN Plate.
Who says so?
Regulation 67 Motor Vehicles (Con and Use) regs 1986
A wheeled vehicle which is first used on or after 1.4.1980 and to which Type Approval (Great Britain) Regs apply shall be fitted with a plate which is conspicuous and reasily accessible position to a vehicle part which is not noprmally subject to replacement and shows clearly in idelibly the vehicle identification number specified under EEC Regs 76/114/EEC or 78/507/EEC.
dvd
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DWD that doesn't help.
Reg 67 would be met by the chassis (Vin) number stamped in the floor pan.
The Vin PLATE normally includes other information as well as the chassis number, eg maximum axle loads, maximum weight maximum train weight (ie including trailer).
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Does this Rupert (apologies for capitals - straight copy)
EEC114 quoted above:
ALL VEHICLES MUST BE PROVIDED WITH THE PLATE AND INSCRIPTIONS DESCRIBED IN THE FOLLOWING SECTIONS . THE PLATE AND INSCRIPTIONS SHALL BE ATTACHED EITHER BY THE MANUFACTURER OR BY HIS AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE .
2 . MANUFACTURER'S PLATE
2.1 . A MANUFACTURER'S PLATE , MODELLED ON THAT SHOWN IN THE APPENDIX HERETO , MUST BE FIRMLY ATTACHED IN A CONSPICUOUS AND READILY ACCESSIBLE POSITION ON A PART NOT SUBJECT TO REPLACEMENT IN USE . IT MUST SHOW CLEARLY AND INDELIBLY THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IN THE ORDER LISTED :
2.1.1 . NAME OF THE MANUFACTURER .
2.1.2 . EEC TYPE-APPROVAL NUMBER ( 1 ) .
THIS NUMBER IS COMPOSED OF A SMALL LETTER " E " FOLLOWED , IN THE ORDER GIVEN , BY THE DISTINGUISHING NUMBER OR LETTERS OF THE COUNTRY WHICH GRANTED THE EEC TYPE-APPROVAL ( 1 FOR GERMANY , 2 FOR FRANCE , 3 FOR ITALY , 4 FOR THE NETHERLANDS , 6 FOR BELGIUM , 11 FOR THE UNITED KINGDOM , 12 FOR LUXEMBOURG , DK FOR DENMARK , IRL FOR IRELAND ) AND BY THE TYPE-APPROVAL NUMBER CORRESPONDING TO THE NUMBER ON THE TYPE-APPROVAL CERTIFICATE FOR THE TYPE OF VEHICLE . AN ASTERISK SHALL BE PLACED BETWEEN THE LETTER " E " AND THE DISTINGUISHING NUMBER OR LETTERS OF THE COUNTRY WHICH GRANTED THE EEC TYPE-APPROVAL , AND BETWEEN THE DISTINGUISHING NUMBER OR LETTERS AND THE TYPE-APPROVAL NUMBER .
2.1.3 . VEHICLE IDENTIFICATION NUMBER .
2.1.4 . MAXIMUM PERMITTED LADEN WEIGHT OF THE VEHICLE .
2.1.5 . MAXIMUM PERMITTED LADEN WEIGHT FOR THE COMBINATION , WHERE THE VEHICLE IS USED FOR TOWING .
2.1.6 . MAXIMUM PERMITTED ROAD WEIGHT FOR EACH AXLE , LISTED IN ORDER FROM FRONT TO REAR .
Eurocourier did ask for VIN not Manufacturers.
dvd
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My kitcar had a stamped number on one of the crossmembers.
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DWD - to help me understand - are a manufacturer's plate and a Vin plate different?
My car has a stamped chassis number on the floor pan by the driver's seat under the carpet plus a rivetted plate showing the chassis number visible through the windscreen and attached to the dashboard (which is a replaceable part if the passenger airbag is activated) plus a sticker on the driver's B-post giving the information your post described as a "manufacturer's plate".
If Vin plate is different to manufacturer's plate my car has never had one as it was delivered like this so I assume it's legal. There's no plate rivetted on the cross-member above the radiator like my old Fords and Austins used to have.
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Perhaps this is what was meant by the person who told me no plate was legally required, and I have confused the terms 'manufacturer's' and 'VIN'?
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Correct Rupert
(1) VIN Plate giving vehicle id number as mentioned above.
(2) Manufacturers Plate on motor car first used after 1.1.68 which gives the details as prescribed in EEC Reg. (Reg 66 MVCU Regs 1984)
You will also find that chassis is stamped on the offside somewhere with VIN (in case plate goes walk about) and also Engine with a number stamped in it. Interesting on this that those in the past who thought they have ground that number out on a stolen engine have been caught because Forensic can pick up the number throught the stress in the metal of being stamped.
dvd
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Forensic canpick up the number throught the stress in the metal of being stamped.
Old trick. Give it a good stamping all over with a centre-punch.
Like de-etching a windscreen with the kit thoughtfully available from Halfords.
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