A friend of mine uses heating oil as opposed to stuff from a petrol station all the time.
It works perfectly (he has a Vectra) diesel, but he would not buy a 4WD of any description as he wanted to minimise the risk of having his tank dipped and the resulting fine. I guess you can take it from this that it is a bit dodgy!
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lol
i would ask the mods to delete this thread, and take the scotch option myself.
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but i guess there is probably a different level applicableto fuel oil so in theory there may be some difference due to be paid to the tax man.
Some understatement there, I think!
This rusty tank, does it need draining out very often, or just when your car is a bit low on fuel?
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Doesn't heating oil have the red dye in it? I thought that the dye lingered for a while, so that even when you'd used up all the dodgy stuff they could still get you cos there was some staining somewhere. (The more I think abt it, I reckon I'm wrong, but that was what I was alwys told)
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If you use any fuel in a car you have to pay the correct level of duty, this has been covered in many a discussion on using veg oil, you will have to pay the appropriate level of duty so contact customs and fill out the multiple page document and go through the lengthy process, alternatively I think that what you meant to say in your orignal post - "I THOUGHT about using it in my car, but would check with the backroomers first". No go get that scotch:-))
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Please check out the details on the following forum for advice on fuel duty...
www.bio-power.co.uk/download.htm
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Thought the idea was that it stained the filter, though believe heating oil is dye-free.
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Red diesel is red. Fuel oil, when I last used some in an oil lamp 20 years ago, was a sort of very very pale creamy brown, a bit like petrol.
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I spent 5 years working in petrochemical analysis during the 80s.
I regularly tested samples of kerosene, diesel, heating oil.
Across most of the chemical analysis; the fuels were identical, or rather they were all within each other's specification ranges.
The only significant variations were the colours / names / uses of the fuels. Colour measurement was one minor part of the analysis and rarely a problem.
My conclusion was that a diesel engine will run on any medium fuel oil that you can find. May be some minor variations in exhaust emissions / long-term engine wear. If in doubt, dilute it with a reasonable amount of proper stuff and see how you get on.
It is, of course, illegal to use fuel in a vehicle on a public road if the duty paid is incorrect. I would also point out that anyone who tries non-standard fuel is taking risks. I would also go easy on lighter kerosenes.
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If you use any fuel in a car you have to pay the correct level of duty,
Not entirely true. There is no duty on electricity, nor on coal in a steam engine. There would probably be no duty payable on burning parafin, or propane, to heat the boiler either.
I think the absolute rule must be that duty is payable on any fuel burnt in an internal combustion engine that is mounted in the car.
There is no duty payable if you generate electricity in an internal combustion engine at home, or at a power station.
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If the engine isn't used for propulsion, I'm not sure you have to pay.
Refrigerated vehicles often have a small, diesel engine with a separate red diesel tank to run the fridge.
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Dragging the essence out of between the lines....
Yes you do have to pay duty on all fuel used in motor vehicles on the public highway. Vehicles that only go off road and never on the highway do not need tax discs, nor do they need duty paid fuel.
However, if this is only once and it will be only a week or so before the surplus fuel is used up, I would not have sleepless nights. I do not know of anybody who drives a diesel car who has been stopped and dipped except for taxi drivers.
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Espada III - well if you have a family and need a Lamborghini, what else do you drive?
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Does this mean I shouldn't be paying duty on the petrol I put in my lawnmower?
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I was following an elderly Nissan Patrol the other day that was smoking badly. I'm sure there was more than a whiff of kerosene in the air! I can't see any advantage to running a diesel legally kerosene, seeing as they're designed to run on derv.
Cheers, Sofa Spud
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>>Does this mean I shouldn't be paying duty on the petrol I put in my lawnmower?
Probably, but where could you get untaxed petrol?
Cheers, SS
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The worst people are pilots.
When they say their cars go like a rocket, they are only half joking.....
Bowser fuel rules OK!
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Pedantic alert! Pedantic alert!
>>The worst people are pilots.
>>When they say their cars go like a rocket, they are only half joking.....
Pilots fly jets that use kerosene. If their car goes like a rocket it must be using rocket fuel. Pilots have no more access to rocket fuel than non-pilots. If they put rocket fuel in their cars the engines would probably explode.
Cheers, Sofa Spud
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I think lftd is referring to avgas which, IIRC is a little more potent than your filling station brew.
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Pilots fly jets that use kerosene
They also fly 4-strokes that use petrol (untaxed?)
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I get confused which as a PPL(H) is pretty bad (haven't flown for 2 years), but there is AVGAS and JET 1. One works for diesels and the other for petrol...I think....as LFTD gets prepared to be assassinated on the forum especially by Helicopter for such basic errors.....At least I admit when I am not sure and don't try to BS! Also you can see that I generally gas up at a conventional place!
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Not sure if it's down to tax but Avgas is generally more expensive than Mogas, there are however issues (vapourisation, stray moisture content) with the latter in aero engines. Compared to cars reciprocating aero engines have suffered from lack of development over the years, bit like cars still running on BL A series etc!!!!.
Aero diesels running Jet A ( tax free for the moment) are the way ahead.
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I had a long conversation about this when living in rural Oz. Small light planes operating from grass strips make a real difference out there. There are basically two types of fuel available...Avgas and Jet1, most light planes use Avgas, only the small jets use Jet1. During the late 1990s there was a fuel contamination problem and ALL avgas was withdrawn grounding all light planes. Only Jets were allowed to fly.
So I was dicussing the state of flight approved engines..they are very low tech and quite understressed. Basically it is a relatively small market and will not stand a constant development and flight approval process which is very expensive.
StarGazer
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>>Does this mean I shouldn't be paying duty on the petrol I put in my lawnmower? Probably, but where could you get untaxed petrol? Cheers, SS
Keep the receipts and put in a claim to the tax man on the self assesment form at the end of the year!
Now I don't use a petrol mower but anyone who does - please try this and let us know how you get on!
H
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No you shoudn't. You can buy a diesel mower (but only a damn big one, see John Deere or Kubota web sites) and legally use "red diesel" in them. But you have to find someone to sell it to you, you're not going to get a refund from the taxman.
John
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