Pug. 205 timing belt - P.Mason {P}
Have just bought a J reg. 205 for my son to learn/practice in- excellent condition and drives nicely. No service history however. Can any backroomer tell me the recommended mileage for timing belt renewal? The car has done 105K, so I assume it would have been changed at least once!
Many thanks,
Pug. 205 timing belt - P 2501
I am afraid you can't assume anything if there is no history. Best thing would be to change the belt asap and then every 36-50K after that (if you keep it that long).Remember that this car would effectively be scrap if the belt snapped in service.
Pug. 205 timing belt - P.Mason {P}
Thanks 250I,
Good advice - the service history may yet turn up, but I'll get the belt replaced as soon as I collect the car. (I had a belt snap on a Pug.305 some years ago - with no damage to the cylinder head. Are Peugeot engines 'non interference' or was I just very lucky..?)
Pug. 205 timing belt - Andrew-T
When the 205 engine changed from chain to cambelt in 1988, there wasn't enough info to specify a change interval. With experience Peugeot began to recommend a 50K interval, which wasn't always short enough - my daughter's car failed at 51K, just after a full service, when the garage hadn't recommended a change (1.1 engine). So make your own deductions.
Pug. 205 timing belt - Kingpin
The engine in your 205 should be the later 'TU' type, a version still used in the 106 and 206. Various 950, 1100 and 1400 versions exist. The access is a bit tight but it's not a difficult job. From memory I think the belt is adjusted by a pulley wheel with locknut in the middle, pushing against the belt to tension it. You may get away with the 90 degree twist method of testing the tension of the new belt, others may disagree. For the sake of £10 or so for the belt it's worthwhile for peace of mind. Can also check the waterpump closely for leaks whilst all is exposed during belt change.
Pug. 205 timing belt - Bromptonaut
Answers above assume petrol versions?. Cambelt change on XUD 1.7/1.9 diesels is every 48K. Don't think the TUD ever found it's way into the 205.
Pug. 205 timing belt - John F
I also bought my son old 309 at auction for <£300, TU 1400, 96,000. Belt looked pristine, but slightly loose, so I tightened it up a bit and gave a squirt of belt dressing.
Still going strong after 3 yrs and 115,000 or so.

If it works, don't mend it.
Pug. 205 timing belt - DL
"If it works, don't mend it."

Not always the best option, John........but I get your drift.
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Pug. 205 timing belt - Ed Ward
Some 8 years since this question was posted but still relevant.

I have owned a Peugeot 205 GTI 1.9 since new in May1988. With only 58K on the clock I was surprised when a {French} Peugeot Main Agent suggested that the cam belt should be changed. I explained that it had been changed once at 36,000 miles in December 2000 [i.e. 12 years ago]. He said that timing belts should be changed every 50,000 miles or every 6 years whichever is the sooner.

Was he right?
Pug. 205 timing belt - 659FBE

I would suggest that his advice was entirely reasonable provided all of the idlers and water pump (if belt driven) are changed at the same time. The idler bearings will not be fully servicable after 12 years of operation.

PSA belt drives are generally well engineered with reasonably large wheels (crank 21 teeth), wide belts, favourable wrap angles and - importantly, the water pump driven on the slack side of the belt. The other obvious measure they take is to ensure that the number of teeth on the belt is not exactly divisible by the number of teeth on the crank wheel. This spreads the highest tooth loads over the length of the belt as the engine runs, rather than subjecting the same few teeth to high loadings at all times.

VAG would do well to learn from these observations - in particular, a water pump driven from the tight side of a PD belt is, in my view, unwise engineering practice and places the engine at unreasonable risk. My VAG diesel has 20 teeth on the crank wheel and 120 on the belt - stupid.

There is enough evidence now to indicate that the weakness with any well designed belt drive lies in the idlers/tensioner/water pump and not the in belt itself. These components all have grease lubricated rolling bearings which run very hot (bolted to the engine block or head) and eventually the oil component of the grease will run out.

Ford and Honda are fitting oil lubricated belts which will obviously allow the rollers to be oil lubricated (no internal oil seals required). If propely detailed, this will probably represent the optimum solution to a "lifetime belt" engine at minmal cost.


Pug. 205 timing belt - Railroad.

Specific intervals for servicing and cambelt changes that the manufacturer recommends do not apply to cars once they get older. And older means more than about three years old generally. What does the manufacturer know about your car anyway? True he designed and built the thing, but he has no idea of what you use it for, what quality fuel you put in it, what type of journeys you do and what kind of climate you operate it in. And he has no idea of the condition of the components of the engine or anything else, so how on earth can he be best qualified to say how often it needs a service?

Manufacturer service intervals is nothing but new car sales pitch. The best advice has already been given. If it hasn't been done for a while then change it now.....

Pug. 205 timing belt - Ed Ward

Many thanks for your prompt reply. The dealer is really saying the timing belt should be replaced now because it was last changed more than 6 years ago. The fact that the car has done less than 20k miles since it was last changed is, he suggested, irrelevant. Timing belts detiorate through age, not usuage, is what he claims. Do think he may be correct? Or is this just a sales pitch?

Pug. 205 timing belt - Ed Ward

Thanks very much for your super prompt reply. Very interesting.

Your point about idlers and water pumps is appreciated - I doubt whether the idler bearings have ever been changed - in 24 years!

Regarding belt detioration, in my case the dealer is really saying the belt should be changed immediately because it is more than 6 years since it was fitted. He suggests that belt change should be based on age not usuage. In other words the fact that the belt as fitted has done less than 20k miles is irrelevant.But is he correct?

Your comments would, as ever, be much appreciated.


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