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Chinese car factory in the UK - Will we see - John F

For over 100 years we have welcomed foreign car makers and also imported many, especially from France, as we then were (and still are) incapable of profitably making a reliable and durable mass market car from basic materials. Mr Ford was the first, building a factory in Manchester. Since then we have made (and in many cases merely assembled) cars in businesses owned by many foreign owners from countries with disgraceful histories. Most car buyers usually only consider VFM. Despite swallowing billions of tax payers' money our last incompetent mass market car maker collapsed in 2005 for reasons too many to include here, one of which might be the perennial disinterest of our monarchy and political leaders in reliable automotive engineering. (Even their Royces needed an American gearbox). It is disappointing that America and Germany already have presumably profitable car factories in China, but we might have Chinese factories here rather than vice versa, with profit flowing eastwards.

Chinese car factory in the UK - Will we see - Terry W

The British are unambiguously the architects of their own failure.

In 1960 the UK was the second largest manufacturer of cars in the world, imported little, and exported ~40% of UK production. BL (or the bits of it) had a ~40% market share.

We can debate endlessly whether it was the fault of unreasonable unions, incompetent management or inadequate government - but the UK failed where Germany thrived.

That German car makers have factories in China is because it is a low cost manufacturing base compared to Germany and the brands are held in high esteem.

The UK would be the destination of choice for Chinese companies seeking market share in Europe - following Brexit the UK is less obvious a choice but it may still happen.

Chinese car factory in the UK - Will we see - John F

The British are unambiguously the architects of their own failure.

In 1960 the UK was the second largest manufacturer of cars in the world, imported little, and exported ~40% of UK production. BL (or the bits of it) had a ~40% market share.

I might be corrected by economic historians, but I think this is because we had a captive commonwealth market with large tariffs imposed on foreign cars.

We can debate endlessly whether it was the fault of unreasonable unions, incompetent management or inadequate government - but the UK failed where Germany thrived......

.....possibly mainly because the educated English generally looked down their noses at excelling at anything that might get their hands dirty, loftily proud of their ignorance of how things worked.

Chinese car factory in the UK - Will we see - Warning

We can debate endlessly whether it was the fault of unreasonable unions, incompetent management or inadequate government - but the UK failed where Germany thrived.

We live in a country where both workers and management often expect rewards while doing the bare minimum. When a pushy boss emerges to boost profit, they sometimes end up exploiting workers, cutting quality or taking unfair advantage of customers instead of improving the actual product or service. But we’re in a global race, and that leaves no room for complacency. Other nations were eager for a share of Britain's wealth.

How many people truly take pride in doing their jobs well?

Voting for Brexit was never going to restore prosperity or take Britain back to the 1960s. It was a fanciful idea. Let’s be honest: very few people dream of working manual factory jobs. And even if someone were to open a factory today, workers might soon feel exploited, whether or not it’s true. That creates a toxic environment. Perhaps that’s why there’s little backlash when UK factories are owned by foreign corporations. A British owner, by contrast, might be vilified, just look at how Dyson has been portrayed in the media. As a country, we resent rich people.

The UK tax system is hostile to entrepreneurs. It favours large global corporations, while burdens like inheritance tax discourage investment. Instead of building businesses, the wealthy often park their money in farmland to avoid tax, resources that could otherwise create jobs and economic value. Yes, inequality can be uncomfortable. And yes, some people flaunt wealth, but many of them go bust. However, some do amazing things and ensuring that wealth can be used productively, including being passed on to fund new ventures.

Many people in comfortable professions seem disengaged. I recently spoke with a lawyer who mentioned he had important business meeting on Zoom where two participants, also lawyers from the other side, and a married couple, abruptly ended the meeting at 3:30 p.m. to pick up their children from school. The rest of the group was stunned. Do the middle classes not work full days? Where is the commitment? Working from home, is not giving young workers the experience from more senior colleague and people goofing off at home.

The brightest graduates from prestigious schools study ancient history or economics, often aspire to become investment bankers, not inventors or builders of industry.

Of course, many people do work hard and it's those individuals who are holding up the economy for the rest.


Chinese car factory in the UK - Will we see - Andrew-T

<< As a country, we resent rich people. >>

I think that depends on who they are, where they 'came from', and whether we like what they offer. I don't get the impression that 'we' resent professional footballers, the best of whom get paid (I won't say earn) ludicrous amounts of money for spending the best years of their lives kicking a ball around - an activity which I must assume they rather enjoy doing ?

Chinese car factory in the UK - Will we see - RT

(Even their Royces needed an American gearbox).

Only because no British automatic transmission would take the high torque of a 6.25 litre V8 -indeed were there any British automatic transmissions at all in 1959?

Chinese car factory in the UK - Will we see - galileo

(Even their Royces needed an American gearbox).

Only because no British automatic transmission would take the high torque of a 6.25 litre V8 -indeed were there any British automatic transmissions at all in 1959?

Wilson pre-selector gearboxes were used in pre-war Riley and MG cars and in Daimler service buses, not strictly automatic but with similar mechanisms and fluid flywheels so perhaps there could have been British auto boxes, (maybe not enough demand for them?)

Chinese car factory in the UK - Will we see - Marlin1

owned by many foreign owners from countries with disgraceful histories.

Pot, kettle, black.

The UK doesn't have a very clean record either. Invaded countries, subjugated populations, caused famines, fought wars to prevent independence, caused famines, used concentration camps

Chinese car factory in the UK - Will we see - SLO76
Bought many an excellent British built Japanese car over the years. I don’t care who owns the firm, but build it here and employ people and it’ll go right up to top end of my shortlist. As long as it’s reliable.
Chinese car factory in the UK - Will we see - Ethan Edwards

At best it might be a local assembly of kits. Nail the wheels on , stick the wipers on and boom its done. Simply to dodge the tarriffs. Its a strange process these days.

Chinese car factory in the UK - Will we see - Terry W

At best it might be a local assembly of kits. Nail the wheels on , stick the wipers on and boom its done. Simply to dodge the tarriffs. Its a strange process these days.

Engine, gearbox, steering, suspension parts, ECUs etc can be containerised and bought in ready for assembly. Similar for many ancillaries and trim.

This is less likely for large pressed metal parts - floorplans, bodyshell etc where they costs of transport and risks of damage, particularly to painted parts, are higher.

Chinese car factory in the UK - Will we see - davecooper

You would think that with a suitable agreement, it would put some money into the British economy. It would be a pointless exercise otherwise.

Chinese car factory in the UK - Will we see - Steveieb

With the ex British Diplomat Sherard Cowper Cole’s chairing the UK / China group we can look forward to a productive collaboration.

Ex Ambassador to Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan he has a wealth of experience in negotiations.

Chinese car factory in the UK - Will we see - RT

At best it might be a local assembly of kits. Nail the wheels on , stick the wipers on and boom its done. Simply to dodge the tarriffs. Its a strange process these days.

Car makers are used to evaluating local content, to meet local regulations - so it's up to governments to specify a reasonable minimum local content.

Chinese car factory in the UK - Will we see - Ethan Edwards

Indeed it is. I look forward to the UK having a competent Government.

Chinese car factory in the UK - Will we see - stuart howat
The history of this is fascinating but sadly not pertinent to the problem. The basic problem was imho the combination of poor management and militant unions causing a ‘perfect storm’ to destroy the car industry. I worked in Germany for several years in the early to mid 70,s. They didn’t work any harder, in fact a shorter working week. They weren’t any cleverer either. However in all those years working in construction and industry I can’t recall one day lost to strike action. They didn’t have to work harder they simply worked continuously and conscientiously. Many industries were not subject to union intervention, they had local works committees. If a worker had a problem he put it to the committee and was guaranteed an answer and usually a solution within two weeks. This seemed to work well and obviate the need for unions or strikes. Fairly simple stuff but of course the German mind set is different from ours. We could still achieve this but it needs significant investment, which seems we are reluctant to provide but the Chinese are not. In this world of the largest bank balance wins I fear we are at the mercy of the richest investors.