Thommo
IMHO it?s not about right un?s or wrong un?s. Should you be concerned that someone is watching you, then don?t shop at any major store and use a loyalty card, don?t use a credit or bankers card or indeed any plastic at all. Don?t use or carry a mobile phone etc etc the list is endless. You don?t mind those though, because big business is actually collecting personal data about you to enable them to provide you a better service. And woe to them if they don?t provide that service. But wait, no with all that data on you they must have some conspiracy to take over the world?
So you want to be ?free? what?s the answer? Abandon all car usage and all the above?.
As you walk freely down the road (observed by CCTV no doubt) and you look around at your fellow enslaved citizens, can you tell which ones are being controlled and do you now feel any different to them?. No it?s an illusion after all.
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This government has been the most hateful, oppressive government on motorists since the man with the flag first appeared in the 19th Century.
Why now should they change their type?
I really doubt that they have our best intentions at heart. If it has anengine and wheels, they will wring out every penny in taxation from it.
Now they are obtaining this information for entirely altruistic reasons?
Pull the other one.
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It IS all true! Elvis just popped in having flown in from the dark side of the moon and told me so.
I think some of us need to get a grip on reality. This is not the GDR and never will be.
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It's the systems which will control us, spot patterns etc.. not individual civil servants. Already all of our telephone conversations are transcibed into text and stored on servers in Yorkshire, and patterns of who calls who and associates with who, and who says what and with mobiles, who converges where with whom and when are all logged and stored on the Eschelon sp? system. they have been doing this since the IRA hey days, it'll be far more sophisticated now no doubt, and look at all the other systems it can be interlinked with,.
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OK. Its all about control and choice, then.
Who wants to vote for me to change my user id to Neo or Morpheus then?
There is no spoon....
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I feel Mr Dent has got it right and its something we have to live with in this day and age and it will have to increase despite the objections from the civil liberty groups.
We had a recent incident where the Soham murderer wasn?t identified earlier because of data protection. Outrage from everyone, no doubt including the ones who supported the legislation.
Think of another 9/11 in this country and the ?Why has the Government allowed this to happen?
It?s a sign of the times and is necessary and the spin off from it is going to reach other areas such as motoring. My only concern having worked for Government most of my life is that they aren?t likely to be very good at it?.
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This morning, the "road safety group" Brake started a campaign against "sleep-driving" and said that 45% of drivers admitted to having set out on a "long drive" on less than 5 hours sleep.
So we are now set on the road towards legislation against driving without sleeping properly. But how do you enforce that? There is no camera that can analyse that from the roadside...
But combine it with the matter in this thread: what if you analyse the movement patterns of all vehicles and fine those that, for example, stay in movement for more than 30mins after a night break shorter than 5 hours? Or keep moving for more than 2 hours without taking at least a 20 minute break every 2 hours? Or... I am sure you can think of further variations.
And remember, there is no need at all for an army of civil servants to analyse this data, it is a totally trivial matter to make the computers receiving the GPS data spot such patterns... and drop a NIP in the post!
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Thairrrr all agin the tax-paying, law abiding, teetotal motoristttt! Poor benighted creature, who does no wrong, and all he wants from life is to drive how he pleases.
Or: www.civictype-r.co.uk/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=13&si...3 where rage is expressed about the iniquities of being done for various offences, including such rites of passage as 56 in a 30, 76 in a 40. Can we take it that the police needn't bother with traffic laws, nor pressure groups with sleep-driving, as the motoring public are a mature constituency who can be trusted to self regulate?
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What are the login credentials?
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Sooty: email address plus password, AFAIR. Try www.civictype-r.co.uk/ for the gateway.
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Thairrrr all agin the tax-paying, law abiding, teetotal motoristttt! Poor benighted creature, who does no wrong, and all he wants from life is to drive how he pleases. Or: www.civictype-r.co.uk/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=13&si...3 where rage is expressed about the iniquities of being done for various offences, including such rites of passage as 56 in a 30, 76 in a 40. Can we take it that the police needn't bother with traffic laws, nor pressure groups with sleep-driving, as the motoring public are a mature constituency who can be trusted to self regulate?
Absolutely! If there were not so may drivers breaking all the rules, there would be no need for the authorities to put so much resources into ever craftier ways of enforcing them.
The death rate on our roads far exceeds that from violent crime, and far too many of the victims are not drivers -- they are either passengers or people who ain't even in cars.
On a road near me where they installed speed c_a_m_e_r_a_s, we had six deaths and 30 injuries in two years ... and then in the 18 months after the cameras were installed, 6 injuries and no deaths.
What a pity that it takes so much expensive technology to get people to obey the law ... but those six lives saved on one two-mile stretch of road tell the story better than anything else.
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Absolutely! If there were not so may drivers breaking all the rules, there would be no need for the authorities to put so much resources into ever craftier ways of enforcing them.
IMHO, Drivers have always broken the rules, in a way that caused little problems, but today, we have a minority of people who break every rule by jabit and deliberately and grossly, the punishments and deterrents they receive are often far less than those just trying to get to work.
The death rate on our roads far exceeds that from violent crime, and far too many of the victims are not drivers -- they are either passengers or people who ain't even in cars.
I could say that according to the BMA, 5000 children are murdered every year by smokers, but I won't because it's a stupid distortion of the truth.
Travelling is a beneficial and essential activity, as old as time itsself, - sticking knives in people and stamping on their heads is not. There is no comparison.
On a road near me where they installed speed c_a_m_e_r_a_s, we had six deaths and 30 injuries in two years ... and then in the 18 months after the cameras were installed, 6 injuries and no deaths.
This is excellent news, let's hope the trend continues and is not the statistical 'blip' seen nationwide. I'm all for speed cameras where they really do save lives.
What a pity that it takes so much expensive technology to get people to obey the law ... but those six lives saved on one two-mile stretch of road tell the story better than anything else.
There are no statistics of how many "deaths and serious injuries where speed is a factor" are caused by chavsters in stolen cars with no seatbelts driving around at night causing havoc for fun, they are lumped with decent people going to work, and visiting their parents. What a shame.
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This morning, the "road safety group" Brake started a campaign against "sleep-driving" and said that 45% of drivers admitted to having set out on a "long drive" on less than 5 hours sleep.
Sorry to go OT, but this made me laugh when I saw it on GMTV on friday morning.
The Brake spokeswoman started going on that there should be rest regulations on ppl that use the roads a lot... like truck drivers and so on...
Has she never heard of Tachographs? These ppl need to do some research I think...
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Already all of our telephone conversations are transcibedinto text and stored on servers in Yorkshire, and patterns of who calls who and associates with who, and who says what and with mobiles, who converges where with whom and when are all logged and stored on the Eschelon sp? system.
All of that, and yet still my mobile service provider can't get my bill right!
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