YOU may soon be too old to drive - frostbite
Richard Brunstrom the North Wales chief constable notorious for his crusade against speeding motorists is spearheading a new crack down on drivers.

Brunstrom has revealed that his officers are now equipped with 'impairment meters' which will be used to subject drivers to roadside tests lasting up to ten minutes.

The timed tasks,thought to involve push-button responses to a visual image,are understood to be the equivalent of rubbing ones tummy while patting ones head.

Drivers who fail to show quick enough reaction times or the ability to carry out a number of tasks at once face fines or even lifetime bans.

The RAC yesterday condemned the project as a 'fatwah' or death sentence to the elderly motorist.
YOU may soon be too old to drive - DavidHM
face fines or lifetime bans?

Under what legislation - Act or SI? DVD perhaps?
YOU may soon be too old to drive - Altea Ego
Re the Motorists friend Dickie Brunstrom, the sun is having a go at him tho his daughter
YOU may soon be too old to drive - Dwight Van Driver
Exactly DM?

They can test for eyesight and ask you to blow under certain circumstances and that's about it IRC.

There was something last year about testing for impairment on the American lines - i.e. standing at the road side on one leg whilst trying to hit your nose with one finger with one eye closed but again no statutory authority for doing so. One still has to rely on B.A.G.S. (Breath, Actions, Speech and Gait).

Old Blunderbus hails from Cleveland prior to his elevation and you know what they do with speeders there?


YOU may soon be too old to drive - CM
Can't see Whitehall pushing this thru - it seems more trouble than it is worth as the Sun and Daily Mail would have a right go at any politician doing this.

DVD - what are your views on the CI of N. Wales?
YOU may soon be too old to drive - Dwight Van Driver

My views are immaterial as I am of the old school that policing was for and with the consent of the public our pay masters.

If speeding is so dangerous why let the offender get away with it and only draw their attention to the offence days later by a piece of paper?. My day, through healthy Traffic Divisions, they were pulled there and then and the errors of their ways immediately sorted.

Too many CC's abusing the concept of SC"s by proliferation and hence rapidly losing the support of the public who see the concept abused to pure revenue collection. Such support being essential for a Police Service to be effective.


YOU may soon be too old to drive - matt35 {P}
Is this guy employed under the same Government which is promoting anti-ageism law?
Could we take legal action against him?
At the risk of being boring, I take an active interest in road safety as an Observer with the IAM, we are able to use the local Police Sports Club for meetings, sometimes have accses to the skid pan, and have several Class 1 Police drivers testing the results of our efforts, in thier own time, for less than they would get for stacking supermarket shelves.
I got an 18 year old through last week after 15 hours observation (unpaid - except for the pleasure of his call when he passed).He will, hopefully, be a safer driver for the rest of his life.
I had a pass with a 72 year old last year who was suffering from prostate cancer - he looked about 10 years younger when we put the IAM sticker on his rear window after his pass.
There is something missing here - is this Chief looking at the problem from the right angle?
YOU may soon be too old to drive - RE
It's got my support.
YOU may soon be too old to drive - Vin {P}
It's got my support.

Do you have a reasoned argument to support that view?
YOU may soon be too old to drive - Baskerville
Just a guess but: if people are unfit to drive they shouldn't be driving. Now let's talk about how you might measure that.
YOU may soon be too old to drive - SteveH42
Just a guess but: if people are unfit to drive they
shouldn't be driving. Now let's talk about how you might measure

Once concern has been raised maybe regular assessment over a range of driving conditions by a trained observer? Not necessarily to driving test standards but just a sort of check to make sure they know what they are doing and don't do anything too stupid. Then, if any areas of concern come up, maybe they should be asked to sit a more comprehensive test?

Whatever the test is, it should actually involve driving - after all, you can't test how well someone drives by anything other than putting them behind the wheel.
YOU may soon be too old to drive - Wales Forester
There are a lot of elderly drivers on the road who really should have given their licences in years ago, they have little or no awareness of what is going on around them, and have little or no judgment of speed, positioning etc.

Equally, there are a lot of elderly drivers who are still very competent and would out-drive many of todays younger whipper snappers.

There is a need for some kind of assessment of drivers over a certain age, say 65, but I think Mr Brunstrom is sadly mistaken if he thinks his idea is anywhere near the right answer.


YOU may soon be too old to drive - flatfour
Has any one tried taking the Hazard Perception test, now part of the theory Driving Test? If not try it, you'll fail. The only way you can test adriver is sitting beside them while they drive.
May be if Blunderbus gets his way we will all sit infront of pc screens and learn to drive without even setting foot in a car.
its a pity swearing has been banned on this site, I fell so angry, i'm only in my 40's but know many very capable drivers aged 70 - 90 all of which would be flustered by being stopped and asked to operate a computer, what a load of, why don't they go and catch criminals, respond to calls from people who are being burgled, crack down on street crime, maybe its just the motorist is a soft target.... well i'm sick of it... and the whole police force is losing its respect from the general public, leave the motorist alone!
YOU may soon be too old to drive - 8 ball
and the whole police force
is losing its respect from the general public, leave the motorist

flatfour: I think you're right about the loss of respect. Sometimes it seems hardly a day goes by without another police snafu in something important. Typical story in the local giveaway this week about harrassed (sp?) pensioner who 'phones police who arrive THREE DAYS later. Lots of spinspeak from force about 'prioritising' calls. Rubbish. But there are loads of good coppers out there who are doing their jobs to the best of their abilities (esp, in traffic!). Blame not the whole force but the principal and senior officers who are more concerned with their own advancement via 'gender awareness' and 'welcoming diversity' issues, government targets in recruiting under-represented minorities etc than in upholding the law. If you break the law, whether it's speeding or robbery, perhaps you shouldn't complain if you get caught. Whether a law is a good law or not is not an appropriate topic for this forum. It's easier to catch the motorist who, of course, carries his ID on his number plates and is easily identified. If you've got targets, the softer the better.
N.B. The use of the masculine pronoun 'his' in this post should not be construed as being gender specific.
8 ball (not a member of the plod)
YOU may soon be too old to drive - flatfour
Being on the road 24/7 I have great admiration for the motorway police, and you'r right it's not the individual bobbies fault, we had a rta outside my house the other week and two coppers came in to take statements, they were a couple of nice blokes, had a cup of tea, and said how hard it was to do their job because police policy was causing the public to distrust and basically hate them, so sorry boys in blue, I will feel for you as you peel the next rta off the road, but when you get promotion to Chief Constable take an overall view and stop picking on, persecuting, and being prejudice against motorists.
YOU may soon be too old to drive - frostbite
I don't know much about this CC at all, but I bet you a cheese sandwich* he's yet another example of the fast-track promotion brigade, obsessed with technology for its own sake.

YOU may soon be too old to drive - volvod5_dude
I would tell them to stick their "impairment meter" where the sun don't shine!!

YOU may soon be too old to drive - Phoenicks
Why is everyone getting so mad about this. It seems like a sensible way to prevent accidents before they happen.

Whenever an elderly person has a fatal accident people ask why were they still driving (if at fault). Surely this new measure is dealing with potential problems before they arise, rather than asking pointless questions afterwards.

Its like the saying goes when pulled over - if you've done nothing wrong then you have nothing to worry about. In this instance if they are competent to drive they will pass. If not they will fail, and rightly so too.

I think its excellent that someone has actually had the balls to go against the PC crowd and recognise a problem. His method of correction might need some fine tweeking, but the less hazardous drivers on the road the better. And that does include the middle aged and young too before i'm accused of bias.

I only feel suitably qualified to post on this thread beacuse i live in bournemouth!
YOU may soon be too old to drive - Phil I
Not often I see eye to eye with Phoenicks. In fact I looked twice to be sure it was from him/her.

On this one P am with you all the way I could not have phrased it better.

Roll on compulsory eye tests and medical checks.

Happy Motoring Phil I
YOU may soon be too old to drive - SteveH42
In this instance if they are competent to drive they will
pass. If not they will fail, and rightly so too.

No, I'm afraid I don't agree with that. All this test will show is if they are competent to operate the gizmo thrust at them with no warning in an already stressful situation.

The *only* way you can judge if someone is competent to drive is by observing them driving. A test such as this could just possibly indicate that they need further examination, but the circumstances in which it will be administered are very wrong for getting accurate results.

Also, the original post mentions fines or the possibilities of a ban. Surely this is even more wrong - if you aren't competent to drive then you are banned full stop?

YOU may soon be too old to drive - DavidHM
Firstly, I don't dispute that there are many people on the road whose skill and attitude aren't up to the job.

However, testing by the police, under pressure, in a one-off environment, is simply not the way to do it. If it were administered on a regular or truly random (i.e., everyone can be tested at any time, with notice, through the post) basis, by the DSA, at a test centre, it would be a fair and reasonable system.

Many people on the road passed their driving test with perhaps a 1 in 3 chance of not screwing up on the day and either did enough tests or got lucky first time. With odds like that, a ban because of failure on a single test is grossly unfair.

Also, the police as far as I am aware do not have the power to make any orders banning or fining. They can either prosecute (via the CPS) or, exceptionally, apply directly to the court, but they cannot impose punishment directly. Failing a roadside test (operating a computer without due care and attention?) is not an offence of which I can conceive.

If the police can find an offence that has been committed, it is just possible that this test taken immediately afterwards will provide evidence of that - although frankly a competent barrister should be able to plant serious doubts in a jury's mind as to its reliability.

Also, there is no sign of this story in the Google news search, so I would be intersted to know what Frostbite's source is. Particularly if it is by e-mail it smacks very strongly of scaremongering or urban myth.
YOU may soon be too old to drive - neil
I think you may find it relates SOLELY to one option being discussed to detect DRUG DRIVING - ie impairment of DRIVING through taking DRUGS... whether 'controlled' ie unlawful or prescription which can have similar effects. A 'Drugometer' has been talked about for a while - one company produced a version they felt was okay but Home Office disagreed, still under development by others. However, an 'impairmentometer' seems altogether fairer to me, bearing in mind that if it was authorised for use in a manner similar to the alcohol breath screening devices (breathalyser!) it would be used only where the manner of driving ( DRIVING!) or some other evidence gave rise to suspecting use of drugs.

If someone is ripped to the, er... 'ears' either on speed (are you there Mr Brunstrom??! Maybe it's THAT sort that 'kills?') or Benylin or Betablockers or Bunion lotion for that matter, personally I'd rather they weren't driving. At least, not on any road I'm likely to be on!


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