Things that bug me... - Pedant
1) Why in this day and age do some people refer to their car as "she"? It's an inanimate object and has no anthropomorphic qualities at all; (except for the possible ones that it often causes annoyance and frustration and costs a lot of money.

2) Why in private classifieds do people say "company car forces sale"? Do their employers insist that they can't have their own car as well as the company car? What's "forcing them to sell?


Lively discussion ensues...
Things that bug me... - 007

How about:

"Genuine reason for sale"

"First to see will buy"
Things that bug me... - doug_523i
One lady owner (new clutch needed):-)


Things that bug me... - Oz
What is meant by 'One *good* lady owner'?
Oz (as was)
Things that bug me... - Mark (RLBS)
>>"Genuine reason for sale"

I've always thought that the fact the car is a pile of rubbish is a pretty genuine reason for sale.
Things that bug me... - Union Jack
MI 5 .... Only joking, lads!

Jack
Things that bug me... - Toad, of Toad Hall.
>>"Genuine reason for sale"

www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?v=i&t=88...5
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Things that bug me... - Alfafan {P}
ToTH; loved the link.
Things that bug me... - FFX-DM
'New car forces sale' in other words YOU bought a new car because you wanted to and have to now offload the old heap.

When I sold mine recently, I took HJ's advice and just described the car, leaving out all that sort of gubbins. I would rather know the engine size and mileage than that it's a good little runaround or a tidy motor.

Cars are 'she' due to a linguistic convention. In English, inanimate objects are neither masculine nor feminine, with the exception of cars and boats, but in other European languages things are given a gender, eg La chat, feminine, le chien, masculine. The question should be why don't we do it as a matter of course?
Things that bug me... - BrianW
Inanimate objects have no gender, so those that assign one to every object are batty.
In England we only do it informally as a sign of attachment.
Things that bug me... - joe
[snip][yawn] M.
Things that bug me... - Orson {P}
Things that bug me... - frostbite
People that almost come to a full stop in front of me in order to make a simple left turn into a side road.
Things that bug me... - Union Jack
Pedant (and MI 5)

Please forgive my earlier facetiousness.

So far as your first bugbear is concerned, my instincts suggest that referring to cars as she almost certainly derives from the custom whereby ships, whereas originally personified as masculine, have almost invariably been personified as feminine, rather than female, since the 16th century.

Having gone a-googling on this premise, I came up with the two references attached, namely:

www.sailnet.com/sailing/02/f&bjun02.htm

www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/sailing/03/20/lloyds.sex/

Needless to say, I am *much* more persuaded by the former - not least regarding the muck spreader! - than by the incredibly PC nature of the latter, to which the former interestingly enough refers.

Curiously enough, the only time I can think of that seafarers refer to ships as "he", rather than "she", is in a close quarters shiphandling situation when the reference to "he" is almost certainly in respect of the male assumed to be in charge of the other ship, despite the fact that it will frequently be a she in reality. A bit like close quarters "carhandling" really!

HTH, without being too pedantic of course ...

Jack
Things that bug me... - Alfafan {P}
Having first swung out to the right to give themselves enough room to get their Littelwagen round the corner.
Things that bug me... - L'escargot
People that almost come to a full stop in front of
me in order to make a simple left turn into a
side road.



And (when I'm in the left-hand lane of a motorway) people who overtake then pull in front of me (sometimes even from the right-hand lane !! ) and then brake in preparation for leaving the motorway at the next exit. Especially when I'm not leaving at that exit.

L'escargot by name, but not by nature.
Things that bug me... - SteveH42
People that almost come to a full stop in front of
me in order to make a simple left turn into a
side road.


It often confuses people behind me when I slow right down to turn left in to the road leading on to mine. What I know and they probably don't is that you often get cars parked on both sides just around the corner and it's also a bus route. Taking it at any speed is asking for an accident. Don't forget, it's up to you to take a corner slow enough so you can still stop if there is an obstruction just out of sight around it - no matter how fast the road is otherwise..
Things that bug me... - CM
in other European languages things are given
a gender, eg La chat, feminine, le chien, masculine. The
question should be why don't we do it as a matter
of course?


Don't want to be pedantic but
le chien (dog) as well as la chienne (bitch)
le chat as well as la chatte

Things that bug me - people who have those safety pins to keep their bonnet down.
Things that bug me... - FFX-DM
you DO want to be pedantic CM, don't you?!! :-)

well, ma francais est terrible, but I would find it a darn sight easier if I didn't have to remember that a table is feminine and a chair is masculine! (Don't tell me if I have got that the right side round!). Whatever, I think that seeing as inanimate objects are assigned a gender in French, German, Spanish, etc etc, I think we are the odd ones out.

Things that bug me?... Once AGAIN following somebody who was obviously asleep at the wheel this morning - they pulled out in front of me, causing me to break hard, stuck to 40 mph on the perfectly good straight stretch of A road where the limit is 60 and then continued on through the village, still doing 40. Not paying attention to the road, the speed limits, other road users.... Aargh!
Things that bug me... - Ken A
Things that bug me?... Once AGAIN following somebody who was obviously
asleep at the wheel this morning - they pulled out in
front of me, causing me to break hard, stuck to 40
mph on the perfectly good straight stretch of A road where
the limit is 60 and then continued on through the village,
still doing 40. Not paying attention to the road, the
speed limits, other road users.... Aargh!


Probably not asleep at all. This is standard driving procedure for blue rinse grannies in brand new Pug 106's or similar. (" I drive everywhere at a nice steady speed, so I must be safe.")
Things that bug me... - nick
French gender rules can be illogical! For example, le vagin (women's bits) and la barbe (beard). Why?
Things that bug me... - DavidHM
Kind of ... le chat = masculine, regardless of the biological gender of the cat.

la chatte = caught by the swear word filter.
Things that bug me... - Tomo
"Why in this day and age do some people refer to their car as "she"? "

Or "he"; Thomas and Toad Toyota for instance; but of course Maggie Magentis.

They get a kind word and a pat too.

Tomo.
Things that bug me... - Perturbed
Things that bug me -

1) Someone who drives so close to the back of my car that I can see the whites of their eyes

2) Cutsie nicknames for cars like "Scoobie" instead of Subaru

3) Kids in baseball caps who think the accelerator pedal in like a digital switch - on/off

(My wife looking over my shoulder reckons I'm turning into a miserable f***!)
Things that bug me... - Pugugly {P}
1.Genuine reason for sale"

I genuinely need to get shot of this car 'cos its knackered.

2. BMW drivers that don't indicate. I did this today much to the annoynace of a bus driver waiting to pull out of the turning I was pulling into. I am so sorry !
Things that bug me... - Peter D
Why are all boats refered to as she. ??? Peter
Things that bug me... - No Do$h
Well I've obviously gone against the grain by calling my car "Alf".
Things that bug me... - Flat in Fifth
lifetime guarantees really bug me.

what my lifetime? no.... your lifetime? no......

oh I see the lifetime of whatever it is! you mean its guaranteed to work till its knackered.......hmmmm.
Things that bug me... - mal
Having to make do with the "World Wide Wait".

Very similar to watching paint dry at times.
Things that bug me... - Jim M
Electrical retailers trying to sell extra warranties for brand new goods and the small print that says it covers parts only!
Jim
Things that bug me... - mal
Snapping the tail-end off a tin of corned beef!.
Things that bug me... - THe Growler
All those cars in front of me and in the way on my road.
Things that bug me... - L'escargot
Sanctimonious passengers (especially non-drivers) who accusingly ask "What is the speed limit on this road ?" when they see an indicated 33mph (or whatever) on my speedo, and won't accept that all speedos read fast.

L'escargot by name, but not by nature.
Things that bug me... - L'escargot
Sanctimonious passengers (especially non-drivers) who accusingly ask "What is the speed
limit on this road ?" when they see an indicated 33mph
(or whatever) on my speedo, and won't accept that all speedos
read fast.
L'escargot by name, but not by nature.




Oh, I forgot ~ back seat drivers in general !

L'escargot by name, but not by nature.
Things that bug me... - Alfafan {P}
No Dosh, Mine's Big Alf (to distinguish it from the Alfa Sprint we used to have).
Things that bug me... - No Do$h
Now you're just boasting......

Don't suppose you've ever had to get a key recoded have you? My local main Alfa dealer wants £54 to recode an existing key, a task which I know takes about 8 minutes.

Grrrr!

And all because the ABI asked Alfa Romeo UK not to include keycode cards with their cars, unlike the rest of europe where it isn't seen as a problem.

Double Grrrrr!
Things that bug me... - Alfafan {P}
Sorry ND, my car's too old for these fancy electronic gubbins. You could try alfaowner.com but you need to register.

If you live in Sussex I can give you name of a couple of good independents.
Things that bug me... - Alfafan {P}
See Union Jack's posting above for full explanation.
Things that bug me... - Homme van Blanc
Cutsie nicknames for cars like "Scoobie" instead of Subaru


That ain't a nickname that's rhyming slang innit: Scooby doo = Subaru
Things that bug me... - Alfafan {P}
Saw an advert a little while ago:

1991 Escort (new shape)!!
Things that bug me... - No Do$h
>>Saw an advert a little while ago:
1991 Escort (new shape)!!

>>
Perhaps on their estate it is!
Things that bug me... - Toad, of Toad Hall.
When I'm on the bike and cars try to race me away from lights.

I look really keen then wait while they go of in a cloud of clutch dust!
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These are my own opinions, and not necessarily those of all Toads.
Things that bug me... - CM
What really bugs me are awards for Car (or Van) of the Year in January/February. I am sure that there is a perfectly valid reason for this but....

For example, Ford have launched a new Transit which is European Van of the Year. How do we know this if no-one has driven it and who is to say that MB or Citreon won't bring out a better van in March?
Things that bug me... - colin20
What about

'show dogs in transit'& 'baby on board'
Things that bug me... - Ian (Cape Town)
Baby on board - makes sense. Ambulance/firemen check that car first, in the vent of a smash ...
Dogs in transit? Horrid, pretentious and silly.
(BTW, what if the dogs AREN'T ina transit, but in another van?)

Things that bug me... - Toad, of Toad Hall.
Baby on board - makes sense. Ambulance/firemen check that car first,
in the vent of a smash ...


Why should a non tax payer get medical attention before me!!!

Bl**dy freeloading babies. Probably just spend their state handouts on whisky and fags...
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These are my own opinions, and not necessarily those of all Toads.
Things that bug me... - Shortwing Rob
Why has nobody mentioned driving with foglights on in clear weather?

"Hey look guys - I've got a six year old Astra"

Rob
Things that bug me... - Flat in Fifth
doesn't bug more sort of amuses:-

folks outside IKEA trying to fit half the contents of a 3 bed semi into a Ford Fiesta.
Things that bug me... - No Do$h
People who enter a 3-lane roundabout in the left lane, go across to the right lane and exit in the left again, leaving a trail of stationary cars slewed across the road behind them.

Oh and FiF, love that image....
Things that bug me... - CM
people who will spend x many thousands on a Vaux Nova making it look silly, when they could have saved the money and bought a better car. The bit that particularly bugs me are the racing seats and harnasses.
Things that bug me... - No Do$h
people who will spend x many thousands on a Vaux Nova
making it look silly, when they could have saved the money
and bought a better car. The bit that particularly bugs me
are the racing seats and harnasses.

Freudian slip?
Things that bug me... - CMark {P}
[1] people driving cars with no brake lights working at all.

[2] TV programmes about bad drivers.

These two things don't just bug me, they make my blood boil.

CMark
I wanted to put GW Bush in the #1 spot but I can't 'cause that's politics.
Things that bug me... - Maz
The person who says I've got £500 to spend on a car can you help, so you go through a few cars and say why they are a good deal and why other cars are not and you don't mind spending your time because you're helping someone, so you think.

They then say oh no, that's too big or that's the wrong colour or I don't like the look of it. It turns out that they have such exact ideas about what they want that with £20,000 to spend at a new car dealership they'd still struggle.

Oh yes, you've got the kind of person who will look at a Twix in 12 different shops before deciding on a Fruesli Bar.

If you write in and have got £500 to spend, please note. You'll either get an undesirable, undriveable or unreliable car. It is only polite to have a reasonable budget before becoming fussy.

Thankyou for listening, I feel better now.
Things that bug me... - No Do$h
Funnily enough there's a lass in our office has just passed her test. Budget of £3k. Told her that for the money she should expect a few rattles, bumps and scrapes, although nothing nasty, just not cosmetically perfect. She was horrified.

Of course, up until now she's only driven a nice new Focus with AA on the side. Oooh, is she in for a shock. Keeps saying she likes Volkswagons. The marketing keeps on working it seems.

Hope she's keeping £1200 back for her insurance....
Things that bug me... - Maz
Thanks ND. May the fruits of your orchard stretch the great length of your private road....

That you can buy a car for about the average weekly wage, and reasonbably expect it to run for more than a year is a miracle of modern technology.

That you expect it to be your preferred colour, make and model, is a miracle of modern stupidity.
Things that bug me... - DavidHM
My wish list a year ago: 0-60 in under 12 seconds, five speed box, power steering, central locking and electric windows, newer than F reg, sensible insurance.

Sorted with exact make and model and second best colour after three visits, two of which were complete dogs and didn't meet my specs anyway.
Things that bug me... - HF
People that come on here moaning about the site, how it's run, moderation etc.

I expect repercussions or deletion for that, possibly both.
HF
Things that bug me... - THe Growler
Drab humorless PC found on motoring discussion sites.
Things that bug me... - Steady_Eddie
Forgetting your password and having to re-register on HonestJohn.
Things that bug me... - Flat in Fifth
People that come on here moaning about the site, how it's
run, moderation etc.
I expect repercussions or deletion for that, possibly both.
HF



Now come on HF stop Toadying!!
Things that bug me... - HF
Now come on HF stop Toadying!!

>>

Toadying or just Toading? ;)
HF
Things that bug me... - Flat in Fifth
>> Now come on HF stop Toadying!!
>>
Toadying or just Toading? ;)
HF


You might very well say that but I just couldn't possibly comment! ;-)
Things that bug me... - Dynamic Dave
You might very well say that but I just couldn't possibly comment! ;-)


Why? Do you have a frog in your throat? ;o)
Things that bug me... - Steady_Eddie
Do you have a frog in your throat? ;o)


Perhaps he's just trying to Toad the line?
Things that bug me... - No Do$h
Thanks ND. May the fruits of your orchard stretch the great
length of your private road....


I hope not, they'll get bruised and be no good for Zzider.

Fair and valid point on slinging £500 into a "disposable". Makes more sense than £1500 in depreciation on a £5k car.
Things that bug me... - No Do$h
and it's a very short road. No Freudian references please!