Faraday Pouches - crowncd

We've been protecting our car keys with Faraday pouches for some time and each time we approach the car take the key out of the pouch to gain access.

The other day I walked up to the car with the keys in my pocket still in the pouch and was able to open the car door. Must admit I was a bit surprised.

Should this happen or have we got ineffective pouches?

Faraday Pouches - edlithgow

Pouch probably pooched.

Try it with a tobacco tin?

Faraday Pouches - leaseman

Either the pouch is ineffective, or the key is not wholly surrounded by the metallic element of the pouch. Ensure that the key(s) is/are totally encased and perform trial and error tests before a (relatively small) investment in a fool-proof Faraday enclosure

Faraday Pouches - mcb100
I’d imagine that the weave in the fabric breaks down with use, maybe not visibly but enough to allow a radio signal through.
They’re cheap enough, just get new ones if it worries you.
We’ve had wireless cars for 15 years and never used them.
Faraday Pouches - Engineer Andy

I suppose being fearful of theft is a good motivator to get one of these relatively cheap products - as long as you can source one that actually works - difficult given a good number are from never-heard-of-Chinese makes.

Faraday Pouches - Andrew-T

Anyone tried keeping their keys in the microwave oven ? Not very portable, I admit ...

Faraday Pouches - edlithgow

As I suggested above, AFAIK any metallic enclosure with a tight-fitting lid should do.or even aluminium foil, though that probably isn't very robust or convenient.

I doubt I would buy anything until I'd tried to improvise

Faraday Pouches - Robert J.

I tried putting my Volvo and the wife’s Lexus keys in a metal biscuit tin: didn’t work, I could still open the doors.

Faraday Pouches - Ethan Edwards

I make sure the fob is into the pouch first. Then fully close it. Tested mine and they work. Cheapo Chinese pouches too. Vauxhall/ Fiat.

Faraday Pouches - Andrew-T

I tried putting my Volvo and the wife’s Lexus keys in a metal biscuit tin: didn’t work, I could still open the doors.

Good heavens - a biscuit tin with doors ! :-)

Faraday Pouches - Falkirk Bairn

My Faraday pouch worked when bought, 18 months on it did not work.

Bought a new Faraday Pouch - it works. £4 IIRC at Halfords

Cheaper and Bigger Selection at Amazon.

Faraday Pouches - misar

If you read the manual many if not all fobs made in recent years have a means to turn off the radio. Completely secure and cost-free.

Faraday Pouches - Lee Power

Even newer keyless fobs go to sleep & stop transmitting any signal after a few minutes of non movement.

Faraday Pouches - Orb>>.

My Faraday pouch worked when bought, 18 months on it did not work.

Bought a new Faraday Pouch - it works. £4 IIRC at Halfords

Cheaper and Bigger Selection at Amazon.

Buy at Halfords, Take it outside try it, keep the receipt and if a problem take it back in...

PS, Never had a car with keyless opening or ignition.

Won't !!!

Faraday Pouches - Big John

PS, Never had a car with keyless opening or ignition.

Won't !!!

I'm avoiding any car with Keyless entry but having a full hybrid you can't avoid the power on button.

Faraday Pouches - John F

PS, Never had a car with keyless opening or ignition.

Won't !!!

You'd be OK with my 'keyless' but sensible old Audi A8 (2005). There is a good old fashioned metal lock for the driver's door, boot and ignition -useful in the absence of radio waves.

Faraday Pouches - Warning

What happens if you don't have a pouch? Can you keep it as far away from the street as possible? Would that work?

Faraday Pouches - leaseman

Put the key(s) in the Fridge.

Faraday Pouches - Big John

Put the key(s) in the Fridge.

The microwave oven has been designed to be a faraday cage, could be a better place.

Faraday Pouches - leaseman

There is a danger that another member of the household (or a forgetful car driver) puts something in the said Microwave oven and turns it on!

Faraday Pouches - Andrew-T

There is a danger that another member of the household (or a forgetful car driver) puts something in the said Microwave oven and turns it on!

Probably wouldn't affect a keyfob much, as microwaves are tuned to heat water molecules and nothing much else ? Maybe the battery in the fob might not benefit.

Faraday Pouches - edlithgow

There is a danger that another member of the household (or a forgetful car driver) puts something in the said Microwave oven and turns it on!

Probably wouldn't affect a keyfob much, as microwaves are tuned to heat water molecules and nothing much else ? Maybe the battery in the fob might not benefit.

I think the point is it'll damage the microwave, though I've never tried it

People on boats chuck mobiles, GPS, etc in conventional ovens, pressure cookers, or lidded pots when in thunderstorms, as a defence against possible lightening strike damage, a consideration on flat seawater with a tall metal mast. I hope never to test this

Faraday Pouches - Warning

I once put a mobile phone into the microwave as an experiment, and tried to call it and it still rang. I thought this should not happen?.

Faraday Pouches - edlithgow

I once put a mobile phone into the microwave as an experiment, and tried to call it and it still rang. I thought this should not happen?.

Never thought of trying that. Interesting (and disturbing).

I'd agtee. Suggests the Faraday cage is leaky to some wavelengths. I suppose the story will be that it'll never produce these wavelengths in any fault condition, and/or they are harmless

I'm a bit afraid of microwave ovens, and when I had one, used to hide as far away as convenient (preferably out of the room) until it "pinged"

Admittedly my microwaves have usually been retreived from the side of the road, but I'd be scared of a new one too

I THINK there's one in the Edinburgh flat, probably put in by my nephews when they were living there, so I'll try your test when I get back there

According to Wickipedia "A microwave oven uses a partial Faraday shield (on five of its interior six sides) and a partial Faraday cage, consisting of a wire mesh, on the sixth side (the transparent window), to contain the electromagnetic energy within the oven and to protect the user from exposure to microwave radiation" so I guess the mesh size is too large to suficiently attenuate the phone signal

According to my browser AI OTOH "Microwave ovens typically use a frequency of 2.45 GHz (wavelength of 12.2 cm), while cell phones operate across a range of frequencies, including those around 2.4 GHz and others from 800 MHz to 1.9 GHz" so not dramatically different.

However (a) Thats a generalisation, and (b) The AI seems to be using Quora as a source, "traditionaly The Big Boys Broadcast Bumper Book of Absolute B******s"

So I dunno

Edited by edlithgow on 04/07/2025 at 07:16

Faraday Pouches - RT

Microwaves don't contain the electromagnetic energy completely - those of us with implanted pacemakers are warned to keep 2 feet (60cm) away from them when they're on.