ANY - Light wars - Orb>>.

I had to drive to Watford the other evening, to stay in a hotel before an early funeral.

Going south on the A12 I had to flash a good few cars coming toward me on full beam (and they all dipped their lights)

Once on the M25 anti clock wise life was much better.

Are some people so bad at driving that they cannot see clearly without full beam?

Some of those lights were really really bad.

ANY - Light wars - daveyjp

Like all things on modern cars they may have auto full beam and many drivers simply aren't aware.

Both our cars have this function (on one it has to be activated every time, on the other it is auto if the lights are on auto setting). On dark roads full beam activates automatically and it deactivates when another car approaches, but it needs to 'see' the other vehicle lights first so the other car has to be heading towards the vehicle.

This may be later than experienced drivers are used to. When deactivating manually you can see the other car earlier so the full beam is off before the other vehicle is close.

By flashing your lights you may have helped in deactivating the auto full beam function,

ANY - Light wars - davecooper

I do deactivate mine most of the time (button on end of indicator stalk). As quick as they do react, I have been flashed a few times so tend to keep them off unless absolutely necessary. Obviously all adaptive headlights are LED so are pretty good on dipped beam anyway. Sometimes I find it worse constantly switching between main and dipped lights.

Edited by davecooper on 22/01/2025 at 18:42

ANY - Light wars - paul 1963

Like all things on modern cars they may have auto full beam and many drivers simply aren't aware.

Both our cars have this function (on one it has to be activated every time, on the other it is auto if the lights are on auto setting). On dark roads full beam activates automatically and it deactivates when another car approaches, but it needs to 'see' the other vehicle lights first so the other car has to be heading towards the vehicle.

This may be later than experienced drivers are used to. When deactivating manually you can see the other car earlier so the full beam is off before the other vehicle is close.

By flashing your lights you may have helped in deactivating the auto full beam function,

My swift has auto high beam, reacts quicker than I can, the trick with on coming cars with badly adjusted lights or those that drive around on high beam is not to look at them, just glance left, you'll still where going in your peripheral vision, try it, it does work.

ANY - Light wars - Andrew-T

This may be later than experienced drivers are used to. When deactivating manually you can see the other car earlier so the full beam is off before the other vehicle is close.,

As an 'experienced' driver, when night driving, if there aren't too many cars about, I can usually dip my main beams before oncoming cars' lights appear over the 'horizon'. I doubt these modern gizmos would do that ?

ANY - Light wars - paul 1963

This may be later than experienced drivers are used to. When deactivating manually you can see the other car earlier so the full beam is off before the other vehicle is close.,

As an 'experienced' driver, when night driving, if there aren't too many cars about, I can usually dip my main beams before oncoming cars' lights appear over the 'horizon'. I doubt these modern gizmos would do that ?

You'd be surprised Andrew, lights on the swift react to there own reflection on road signs, I've childishly tried to beat them by driving with my finger on the stalk, not beaten them yet....

ANY - Light wars - Mike H

Totally agree - the recognition of approaching cars by auto dipping lights is only activated when the oncoming lights are visible, which means you've blinded someone before your lights are dipped. I always deactivate my auto dipping lights, there's no situation when they are better than doing it manually.

ANY - Light wars - Engineer Andy

I had to drive to Watford the other evening, to stay in a hotel before an early funeral.

Going south on the A12 I had to flash a good few cars coming toward me on full beam (and they all dipped their lights)

Once on the M25 anti clock wise life was much better.

Are some people so bad at driving that they cannot see clearly without full beam?

Some of those lights were really really bad.

It could just as easily be that their 'dipped' lights were badly adjusted (manually or auto light adjustment not working [properly]), especially if the car had brighter modern lights. IMHO too many 'auto' functions make drivers lazy and not bother to check before/as they drive if the system is working correctly.

Round my way I regularly come across people driving at night in town with no lights on at all, likely because the (white light) LED street lights are far better at lighting the road (though on main roads only, due to the number and size of the lamps) than the old yellow sodium ones.

Very dangerous if they don't cotton on sooner rather than later for either situation.

ANY - Light wars - Brit_in_Germany

>It could just as easily be that their 'dipped' lights were badly adjusted (manually or auto light adjustment not working [properly]), especially if the car had brighter modern lights.

I can just imagine the driver quickly getting out of the car and adjusting the headlights after being flashed.

ANY - Light wars - Engineer Andy

>It could just as easily be that their 'dipped' lights were badly adjusted (manually or auto light adjustment not working [properly]), especially if the car had brighter modern lights.

I can just imagine the driver quickly getting out of the car and adjusting the headlights after being flashed.

Manually adjusted, as in turning the switch on the dash from 0 to 1/2/3 as required, in line with the load in the car (as is the case in my car). Before auto-adjusted lights, I bet there was barely an MOT fail due to the not being correctly adjusted, because the old system was quite simple. Not any more with so many cars with auto-adjusted levelling.

ANY - Light wars - davecooper

A dangerous stretch of road in my area had active (LED) lights fitted in place of cats eyes a few years back. You still had to use lights obviously but they were brilliant. Then four kids were killed in an accident on this stretch, partly because the driver decided he could drive without headlights. Soon after, the LED's were gone and replaced with cats eyes.

ANY - Light wars - Terry W

Some problems may be caused by poor maintenance - although this should be picked up at MOT time - there is no good reason why their setting should change over time.

I recently changed car from a 1918 Peugeot to a 2024 Seat and lights are a revelation. Far better and more precise beam cut-off. Extra lights at lower speeds to illuminate verges and parked vehicles etc.

The biggest change is the auto high/dipped beam. Full beam can be set to comes on automatically, it detects on-coming vehicles and changes to dipped. As I have yet to be flashed (in the last 6 months) I can only assume the system is very effective.

One could be justifiably very critical of EU inspired mandatory systems (I switch off stop start every journey), this is one which should be changed.

ANY - Light wars - badbusdriver

I recently changed car from a 1918 Peugeot to a 2024 Seat and lights are a revelation.

I would imagine more than just the lights were a revelation?

One of these you had was it?

Peugeot_Type_159

Think that might even be a bit old for Andrew

;-)

ANY - Light wars - Terry W

I should check what I type a little more diligently - 2018 308!!!

Your suggestion may have generated a rather better trade in value!!

ANY - Light wars - Andrew-T

I recently changed car from a ???? Peugeot to a 2024 Seat and lights are a revelation. Far better and more precise beam cut-off. Extra lights at lower speeds to illuminate verges and parked vehicles etc..

The still increasing problem with this is that lamp designers have used LEDs to get much higher light output (which satisfies many drivers) and then think they have solved the dazzle problem by including a sharp beam cutoff. That may be fine on a straight level road, but we all know much of real life is not like that. So some clever nerd invents an auto-dip system which means drivers use full beam all the time. As a result those who can't cope with the result are told to look somewhere else' to escape the glare.

Wouldn't you just know it, eh ?

ANY - Light wars - Brit_in_Germany

Don't worry. Lilian Greenwood, the transport minister, is looking into LED lights. What are the chances of her being blinded by science?

ANY - Light wars - Terry W

That may be fine on a straight level road, but we all know much of real life is not like that. So some clever nerd invents an auto-dip system which means drivers use full beam all the time. As a result those who can't cope with the result are told to look somewhere else' to escape the glare

Were that evidently the case I would have been flashed by now - much of our night time driving is on up/down twisty Cotswolds roads.

Oncoming traffic would simply classify me as inconsiderate irrespective of whether man or machine controls the dip switch.

ANY - Light wars - catsdad

Another small factor maybe that the load adjustment in some cars is no longer a handy knob on the dash. For example on my MK 7 Golf it’s hidden in the touchscreen sub-menus. I set it when I got the car and have never moved it.

ANY - Light wars - Engineer Andy

Another small factor maybe that the load adjustment in some cars is no longer a handy knob on the dash. For example on my MK 7 Golf it’s hidden in the touchscreen sub-menus. I set it when I got the car and have never moved it.

Or it's an automatically-adjusted system that seemingly goes wrong a lot, judging by the number of MOT fails it engenders on modern vehicles equipped with that system.

Fixing a 'problem' that never previously existing, apart from offsetting the effects of the lazy and low skilled driver. Rather like a lot of today's overly-intrusive 'safety' features.

Also adding to the cost of purchasing the car and making them (those controlled via touchscreen menus) more and more difficult for a lot of oldies who aren't so tech savvy (like my dad). It frankly does lend itself to people being in a good mood when driving, which in itself isn't pro-safety.

ANY - Light wars - Andrew-T

<< Oncoming traffic would simply classify me as inconsiderate irrespective of whether man or machine controls the dip switch. >>

When I wrote 'drivers use main beam all the time' I meant that the car defaults to main beam unless a facing light triggers it ti dip. It is often possible, especially on a familiar road, to drive with dipped lights. Presumably this new system has to be forced to do that ?

ANY - Light wars - Terry W

When I wrote 'drivers use main beam all the time' I meant that the car defaults to main beam unless a facing light triggers it ti dip. It is often possible, especially on a familiar road, to drive with dipped lights. Presumably this new system has to be forced to do that ?

Cornering lights only come on when dipped beam is on and at speeds below 25mph. Main beam is not activated in obviously urban areas - street, shop or domestic lighting are registered as light sources.

The main reason for the overall lighting improvement seems to be that beam cut off allows the right hand verge to be illuminated - an additional benefit is that they are apparently entirely usable in Europe without stickers to limit the beam, or bulb changes.

ANY - Light wars - movilogo

Round my way I regularly come across people driving at night in town with no lights on at all

I have been that numpty last week.

Went to pick up wife from her work. While waiting at car park I switched off headlight as not to dazzle people coming thru the entrance as I parked opposite to the building entrance.

I didn't turn off ignition as it would be cold inside the car. My car does have headlight off warning. Since I didn't turn off engine, it didn't trigger that warning.

I drove back home without headlight and tail light, just with DRL. It was a short distance and road was well lit. There were not many cars on road.

I only realized after reaching home and seeing car's reflection on lounge window.

Momentarily I thought my lamps broken. But immediately discovered lights were turned off.

If I were stopped behind any car I would have realized earlier.

Yes the dashboard not showing green headlight symbol besides parking light symbol. Both are green and as I was talking with my wife I didn't notice that one green symbol was lit but the other not.

In older cars, where one needed to turn on light to see dashboard, was better design.

Edited by movilogo on 23/01/2025 at 22:56

ANY - Light wars - Engineer Andy

Round my way I regularly come across people driving at night in town with no lights on at all

I have been that numpty last week.

Went to pick up wife from her work. While waiting at car park I switched off headlight as not to dazzle people coming thru the entrance as I parked opposite to the building entrance.

I didn't turn off ignition as it would be cold inside the car. My car does have headlight off warning. Since I didn't turn off engine, it didn't trigger that warning.

I drove back home without headlight and tail light, just with DRL. It was a short distance and road was well lit. There were not many cars on road.

I only realized after reaching home and seeing car's reflection on lounge window.

Momentarily I thought my lamps broken. But immediately discovered lights were turned off.

If I were stopped behind any car I would have realized earlier.

Yes the dashboard not showing green headlight symbol besides parking light symbol. Both are green and as I was talking with my wife I didn't notice that one green symbol was lit but the other not.

In older cars, where one needed to turn on light to see dashboard, was better design.

In my Mazda, if I recall correctly, the dash illuminates first when I turn the 'sidelights' on, then the dipped beam indicator just when I switch up to that, plus similar for the main beam.

Odd how my car beeps at me if I open a door with any of these lights on so I don't forget to switch them off, but it doesn't for the interior lights when in 'always on' mode. Having that feature would've saved me a battery change this time last year, although I'm not complaining, given it was replaced FOC by the RAC.

ANY - Light wars - corax

This subject has popped up again recently

news.sky.com/story/three-in-four-motorists-blinded...8

www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/quarter-of-.../

ANY - Light wars - Smileyman

Shocking that anyone drives on high beam when there is other traffic nearby - either direction. I wonder where (& if & when) these people learnt to drive.

As for light themselves, my wife's Mazda 2 with H4 headlamps are like candles when comparing with the LED lights on my SEAT. Whilst the Mazda's lights do pick up reflective surfaces eg road signs OK, these are poor with puddles, potholes, traffic islands etc. Based on my experience all H4 lights should be banned as being dangerously inadequate away from urban areas with proper streetlighting.

Luckily for me the DLR's in my SEAT illuminate front and back exterior lights, and if the car senses darkness outside the interior panel dims until exterior lights are switched on.

Edited by Smileyman on 07/03/2025 at 20:22

ANY - Light wars - Andrew-T

Based on my experience all H4 lights should be banned as being dangerously inadequate away from urban areas with proper street lighting.

So what remedy do you suggest ? All cars with H4 lamps 'grounded' after lighting-up time ? Older cars can't easily be fitted with modern LEDs ?

ANY - Light wars - RT

Based on my experience all H4 lights should be banned as being dangerously inadequate away from urban areas with proper street lighting.

So what remedy do you suggest ? All cars with H4 lamps 'grounded' after lighting-up time ? Older cars can't easily be fitted with modern LEDs ?

Cars with H4 lamps can be fitted with high power bulbs, which are legal, to improve their performance.

ANY - Light wars - galileo

Shocking that anyone drives on high beam when there is other traffic nearby - either direction. I wonder where (& if & when) these people learnt to drive.

Thanks to the i**** bureaucrats who draw up these 'safety features' new cars now have headlights which default to full beam,because they are supposed to have clever sensors that dip them when they detect an on-coming car.

We all know how 100% accurate and reliable electronic gadgets are, don't we?

ANY - Light wars - davecooper

One problem is the height of headlights. They are much more blinding if fitted to large SUV's, trucks or HGV's. Perhaps there should be a maximum height requirement for headlights. Any vehicle could have them fitted lower.