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Road Hog - Road Hog - oldroverboy.

This morning, going with my plumber along the road, witnessed a Renault traffic van drive through a large puddle by a bus stop and soaked evryone waiting.

Currently on hold to Police 101..

Road Hog - Road Hog - oldroverboy.

Surprise surprise, not interested..

Road Hog - Road Hog - focussed

You should have reported it as a hate crime.

Road Hog - Road Hog - badbusdriver

You should have reported it as a hate crime.

:)

I'm not sure why you'd phone the Police, is it a crime to splash pedestrians?

Might be more appropriate to complain to the council and get them to do something about the road surface so the puddles do not form next to the bus stop.

Road Hog - Road Hog - RT

You should have reported it as a hate crime.

:)

I'm not sure why you'd phone the Police, is it a crime to splash pedestrians?

Might be more appropriate to complain to the council and get them to do something about the road surface so the puddles do not form next to the bus stop.

It's an offence unless unavoidable. Pedestrrians are road users too, so "driving without due care and consideration for other road users"

Edited by RT on 01/11/2018 at 16:16

Road Hog - Road Hog - Cris_on_the_gas

Surprise surprise, not interested..

Surprised you got through on 101

Road Hog - Road Hog - oldroverboy.

so was i, and "only" 5 minutes to 1st operator, 5 to second, and 15 to third.. who politely said nothing to do with them.

Road Hog - Road Hog - TheGentlemanThug

It's an offence as it contravenes section three of the Road Traffic Act, so the operator shouldn't have said it was nothing to do with them. What they probably meant was "we don't have the resources to deal with it and a conviction is highly unlikely, so we aren't going to bother".

Edited by Bicycle_Repair_Man on 01/11/2018 at 14:46

Road Hog - Road Hog - John Boy

It's an offence as it contravenes section three of the Road Traffic Act ...

Wasn't someone fined for this only recently?

Road Hog - Road Hog - barney100

Thing is as Mayor Guilliani? of New York figured out if you clamp down on minor crime/incidents then major crime decreases too. Apparently police can now ignore thugs if they think they may be injured. Maybe if police were given better defensive equipment and police bashers were given tougher sentences then things may improve.

Road Hog - Road Hog - barney100

The likelihood of a conviction is proportionate to the rank of the people soaked.

Road Hog - Road Hog - Leif

The likelihood of a conviction is proportionate to the rank of the people soaked.

If there was a black gay disabled single parent immigrant among them, you’d be guaranteed of a conviction ... I don’t jest, our local police web site only allowed you to report racist and homophobic crimes.

Road Hog - Road Hog - Vitesse6

The likelihood of a conviction is proportionate to the rank of the people soaked.

If there was a black gay disabled single parent immigrant among them, you’d be guaranteed of a conviction ... I don’t jest, our local police web site only allowed you to report racist and homophobic crimes.

Careful there, you are letting your petty prejudices show.

Simple fact is the police should have been interested, but they can't be as they are underfunded and understaffed. You have to ask yourself who is to blame for the lack of resources?

Road Hog - Road Hog - Leif

The likelihood of a conviction is proportionate to the rank of the people soaked.

If there was a black gay disabled single parent immigrant among them, you’d be guaranteed of a conviction ... I don’t jest, our local police web site only allowed you to report racist and homophobic crimes.

Careful there, you are letting your petty prejudices show.

Simple fact is the police should have been interested, but they can't be as they are underfunded and understaffed. You have to ask yourself who is to blame for the lack of resources?

No I was just saying the truth, in the case of Surrey police anyway. Yes of course the police are over stretched, massively so. I’ve said before that financially secure middle class people like me should pay more tax to fund services.

Road Hog - Road Hog - oldroverboy.

The likelihood of a conviction is proportionate to the rank of the people you’d be

Road Hog - Road Hog - Bolt

I’ve said before that financially secure middle class people like me should pay more tax to fund services.

Yes but the Conservatives want to get back in 2022, if people pay more towards the services they wont get in, mustn't have that now must we!

Road Hog - Road Hog - RT

I’ve said before that financially secure middle class people like me should pay more tax to fund services.

Yes but the Conservatives want to get back in 2022, if people pay more towards the services they wont get in, mustn't have that now must we!

Electorally, we're between a rock and a hard place - Labour will increase public spending substantially but that has to be paid for somewhere - Conservatives would like to raise taxes to increase spending but daren't

Road Hog - Road Hog - Manatee

And McDonnell is painting himself into a corner by saying he would reverse the recent increases in personal allowances. Fair enough for the basic allowance, which arguably should go up towards the minimum wage, but 50,000 for higher rate tax is going to make 'ending austerity' difficult. There has to be a wide tax base, it can't all be extracted from the top 10% or so.

Austerity is of course nowhere near ended, with local authorities busy slashing everything except the mandatory social care and a massive hidden deficit in road maintenance.

Road Hog - Road Hog - SteveLee

Simple fact is the police should have been interested, but they can't be as they are underfunded and understaffed. You have to ask yourself who is to blame for the lack of resources?

There's no lack of resources, it's a vast absolutely unprecedented increase in the number of people. There are twice as many police officers as there were in the 1950s with a budget three times larger in real terms - what's changed since then? I guess back then they didn't have to deal with tribal "gun" and "knife" crime, tracking would-be suicide bombers, "hate" crime, "honour" crime, little girls being pinned down and having bits of their genitalia hacked off. We've imported millions of people from often primitive, violent cultures as well as state sponsored the least able (often feckless) people to out-breed law-abiding taxpayers - the 5-7 million increase in population since 1997 certainly hasn't helped matters. Why are the police under such pressure? Well, um, let me think... Oh yes, cuts! Really?

Road Hog - Road Hog - Smileyman

it will be a great shame should the police fail to prosecute the person who drove through the puddle soaking pedestrians especially as they manage to find time to prosecute drivers who want to escape being trapped as unwitting victims behind a road accident .... who sets the priorities and decides what is worthy or not of pursuing?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-46048754

Road Hog - Road Hog - gordonbennet

Please let us not hear the bleating of how hard pressed the old bill are again.

Peter Hitchens once again eloquently explains why we're on our own and should expect little to not response.

hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/

Road Hog - Road Hog - John F

Peter Hitchens once again eloquently explains why we're on our own and should expect little to not response.

Ah - the relatively dim younger brother of the brilliant Christopher Hitchens who, despite a somewhat inadequate education (he was, er, obliged to leave his school...) somehow continues to hold down a job as a provocatively righteous columnist? Ho hum.

Road Hog - Road Hog - skidpan

I guess back then they didn't have to deal with tribal "gun" and "knife" crime, tracking would-be suicide bombers, "hate" crime, "honour" crime, little girls being pinned down and having bits of their genitalia hacked off. We've imported millions of people from often primitive, violent cultures as well as state sponsored the least able (often feckless) people to out-breed law-abiding taxpayers

Nice to see bigotry is alive and well and living on Honest John.

Road Hog - Road Hog - John F

I guess back then they didn't have to deal with tribal "gun" and "knife" crime, tracking would-be suicide bombers, "hate" crime, "honour" crime, little girls being pinned down and having bits of their genitalia hacked off. We've imported millions of people from often primitive, violent cultures as well as state sponsored the least able (often feckless) people to out-breed law-abiding taxpayers

Nice to see bigotry is alive and well and living on Honest John.

Bigotry (n.) intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself.

;-)

Road Hog - Road Hog - skidpan

OK, bigotry is the worng word so lets go for one that is closer to the truth.

Racism is alive and well on Honest John.

Road Hog - Road Hog - galileo

OK, bigotry is the worng word so lets go for one that is closer to the truth.

Racism is alive and well on Honest John.

Perhaps not "racism" but an opinion that some people do not observe the laws and customary traditions of Britain, with undesirable results.

Road Hog - Road Hog - skidpan

OK, bigotry is the worng word so lets go for one that is closer to the truth.

Racism is alive and well on Honest John.

Perhaps not "racism" but an opinion that some people do not observe the laws and customary traditions of Britain, with undesirable results.

Sorry, but people who rant like

I guess back then they didn't have to deal with tribal "gun" and "knife" crime, tracking would-be suicide bombers, "hate" crime, "honour" crime, little girls being pinned down and having bits of their genitalia hacked off. We've imported millions of people from often primitive, violent cultures as well as state sponsored the least able (often feckless) people to out-breed law-abiding taxpayers - the 5-7 million increase in population since 1997 certainly hasn't helped matters.

are racists, end of story.

Road Hog - Road Hog - Engineer Andy

Is it me or has has this thread got rather off topic?

Road Hog - Road Hog - FP

Sorry, Skidpan - over the top and not accurate.

Nothing in the quotation you give is racist. It does not mention race, nor does it allow the reader to infer anything to do with race. What is described is culture-based aberrations from UK laws. At most it describes people, or groups of people, who are probably (but not necessarily) born outside the UK and don't fit here, and the comment concentrates on behaviour - behaviour that certainly calls for the description of it as abhorrent and unacceptable, but there is no racist dimension to the words.

It's another intemperant comment from you.

Road Hog - Road Hog - John F

end of story.

" something you say when you think that the opinion you have just expressed about something is correct and that there is no other way of thinking about it "

A good illustration of a phrase often used by bigots (see above definition). The American equivalent is "Period".

As for 'racism', the truths expressed above do not appear to me to display a specific " prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior." Indeed, members of a certain 'race/tribe' which has produced more Nobel prize winners than any other still routinely have 'bits of their genitalia hacked off' .

Road Hog - Road Hog - Bromptonaut

As for 'racism', the truths expressed above do not appear to me to display a specific " prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior."

The words We've imported millions of people from often primitive, violent cultures as well as state sponsored the least able (often feckless) people to out-breed law-abiding taxpayers -

The use of primitive above is (IMHO) overtly racist. It also gives a context in which to read poster's other words about honour killings etc.


Road Hog - Road Hog - gordonbennet

Just before this thread gets locked, there's nothing racist about being alarmed at the instances of acid attacks stabbings shootings gang crime nor FGM, nor the rape on an industrial scale of mainly young underage vulnerable or troubled girls...but all of this pales into insignificance in that the last item was swept under the carpet and ignored by our police and politicians and most of our titled and wealthy betters, who for years (decades) knew it was going on and did nothing, if anything they deliberately allowed it to continue instead of doing their duty, once known as deriliction.

Edited by gordonbennet on 25/11/2018 at 19:35

Road Hog - Road Hog - FP

"The use of primitive above is (IMHO) overtly racist."

No."Overtly" means explicitly. The use of the word "primitive" does not explicitly convey racism. You can argue (I think unsuccessfully) about whether racism is implied by the word.

In my view, people are far too ready to fling around accusations of racism, which does poor service to actual racism, which probably like most people here I abhor.

Multiculturalism, which suggests that all cultures are equally worthy and valid, has led us to this. If we are stamp out, for example, FGM (female genital mutilation) we have to recognise it for what it is: something that this country will not tolerate, emanating from a culture that is not ours. The fact that it forms part of a culture of specific people is irrelevant.

I really don't think we have to apologise for that - or get caught up with thinking it's racism.

Road Hog - Road Hog - Avant

Thread drift is fine, but this stuff isn't even connected to motoring.

If you really must discuss this topic, start a new thread in the general section.

Road Hog - Road Hog - piggy

Seems like that post of John F went over your head Skidpan. Yes,it's aimed at YOU.