Peugeot 3008 - Asda unleaded petrol better than Tesco 95 ron? - leighriley

Hi all

I know everyone will have their views on this, but here goes:

I usually use Tesco 95 ron, simply because it's the closest petrol station, and the car will normally return approx. 35mpg in mostly urban driving. A few weeks ago, we needed to fill up and was near an Asda petrol station, so fifty ish quid later, we had a full tank of Asda standard unleaded.

Well - I swear, over the next couple of weeks, I though the guage had stopped working and was stuck on full! We did a few more long-runs than normal, but even accounting for that, I was amazed at how long the full tank was lasting and the car returned approx. 40mpg.

We are back on Tesco 95 ron now, and guess what - the mpg is back down to 35mpg ish, and it does feel a bit flat!

Who else uses Asda regularly, and does anyone think Tesco 95 ron is pants at the moment?

There isn't a Shell local to me, but I'm going to try some BP Ultimate for a few tanks. I have used Tesco Momentum before, and can't remember being blown away.

Best regards.

Peugeot 3008 - Asda unleaded petrol better than Tesco 95 ron? - brum

Must be that time of the year again........

Peugeot 3008 - Asda unleaded petrol better than Tesco 95 ron? - focussed

My view is based on information from years ago from a market insider.

Refined gasoline (petrol) is bought and sold on the Rotterdam spot market.

Petrol has a finite shelf-life, it can't be stored for ever as it loses it's higher fractions by evaporation as it ages.

When it is getting to end of it's shelf-life it's sold off cheaper than the fresh stuff.

You can probably see where my explanation is leading to.

My personal experience of this is the same as yours, that some supermarket petrol doesn't perform as well as some others because of the age of the stuff.

I've had petrol so bad from a supermarket that a motorcycle that would normally run very well on 95 refused to run properly on a tank of 95 from a supermarket - backfiring and spitting back through the throttle bodies - to the extent that I returned home and put a new pair of plugs in it - to no avail. I then remebered " Ahhh -supermaket petrol - went and squeezed a gallon of esso or BP 98 into the tank - problem solved.

Peugeot 3008 - Asda unleaded petrol better than Tesco 95 ron? - brum

Maybe its down to ethanol content.

"Petrol sold in the UK must conform to BS EN 288 British Standards. This allows up to 5% ethanol in petrol. Tesco fully complies with these standards with the ethanol content of our fuels varying from 0 - 4.8% depending on the location and supplier."

I'm not sure but 10% ethanol (e10) may now be permitted in the latest standard.


Peugeot 3008 - Asda unleaded petrol better than Tesco 95 ron? - Cyd

Don’t worry Leigh, the naysayers will be along soon to tell you you must be imagining things because all fuel is the same, evidenced by the expertise of tanker drivers who’ve ‘seen’ different branded tankers being filled at the same fill points in the distribution depots. Then they’ll quiz you on how you measure your economy – whatever you do don’t admit you used the cars own trip computer readout!

In reality different cars will react differently to different fuels. We can’t, however, know the exact differences between fuels from different outlets (Asda, for example, are not going to admit their fuel is inferior to Tesco’s even if it were to be), except as published (usually by the ‘brands’ and usually for super fuels). Exactly how any given car will react will depend upon the way the engine ecu controls the fuel flow as well as the driving style the vehicle is subject to. However, if a [petrol] vehicle is subject to a change in it’s diet I would expect it to take at least a tank full for the ecu to adjust to any measureable changes (on a car driven moderately most of the time).

I’ll give you an example of that last point. I run a tuned Saab 9-3 2.0T. I run it on Super Unleaded. I buy Super for the improved power and engine cleanliness (which contributes to longevity). I do not measure fuel economy either accurately nor fastidiously. I normally use Shell VPower. Now, through empirical and measured data I have determined that the very best fuel (in my engine) for torque and power output is Tesco Momentum 99 (compared to ‘ordinary’ Tesco unleaded it is +26hp at the wheels). VPower is “only” +18hp at the wheels, so why is this my preferred fuel? This is because I still run the standard intercooler. With 18psi compression available as low as 2300rpm the state of tune is theoretically beyond that which the intercooler can deliver. On a hot day (25C plus) if one uses the power several times in quick succession the air intake temps rise rapidly through the 40s and the tune backs off the boost to protect the engine. This is best tested on the motorway in 6 th (right in the middle of the engines torque band). On ordinary unleaded, the boost backs off after just 3 or 4 runs. On Momentum, the cooler running fuel allows the engine to hold on for 8 -10 runs. On VPower I can push her time after time in succession and have never yet suffered “boost fade”. Long uphill overtakes (eg Fossebridge dip) with their sustained power can also induce boost fade. So, VPower it is for it’s consistant performance (I’d use Momentum for a track day as long as it wasn’t a hot day). BTW I have to go out of my way to get VPower.

My wife runs a C1. Like me she uses Super, but simply because she gets more miles per tank and it also drives smoother (more noticeable effect on a 3 cyl engine than on my Saab which has balancer shafts anyway). Having tried all the major Supers, she consistently gets the most mileage from Esso Supreme (with BP Ultimate nearly the same) and the lowest from Momentum. Lucky, as we have an Esso station in town and a BP station on our commute.

It’s possible that when you changed your car’s diet, one tankful was not enough for the ecu to adjust and you may not have got any benefit as a result. It usually takes my Saab a full tank to adjust, though giving it some ‘clog’ helps this process along. So I would say that if the Tesco stuff is giving you good results and it’s the easiest for you to get, then stick with it. If you wish to change brands as a ‘trial’, then give each one a ‘sporting chance’ and allow at least 5 tanks before assessing results.

Interestingly, I see tankers with yellow and white livery filling the pump tanks on my employers sites. That may or may not mean anything.

Peugeot 3008 - Asda unleaded petrol better than Tesco 95 ron? - skidpan

Have a 3 year old Seat Leon 1.4 TSi. Use the car in mixed motoring, probably 50% in town the remainder on A roads and M ways. Do about 8000 miles a year.

Its fed a pretty much exclusive diet of Asda or Tesco 95 RON unleaded, depends where I am but I would say its about 50-50. Asda is usually about 1p a litre cheaper but I get 1p off with Tesco points so that evens it up.

Having logged every fill up while I have owned it I can say that it does exactly the same mpg with the expected variation. Some times Asda is slightly better, sometimes its Tesco but its always between 44 and 46 mpg unless we do a coast or holiday run.

Wifes car, a Note DIG-S is fed exactly the same diet and again there is no consistent difference between brands.

So would suggest that the fill up you carried out at Asda was a fluke, you made an error in the figures recorded or you used the car in different conditions without realising it. The %age difference you are reporting between brands is simply not possible with current manufacturing processes.

Peugeot 3008 - Asda unleaded petrol better than Tesco 95 ron? - brum

Even filling a tank to the top is a hit or miss affair. Different forecourts may have the click off point set differently. The chance of you filling consistently to the same level is zero. Even using the same pump/ forecourt, there may easily be 2 or 3 litres difference between your fills, especially if your tempted to go for the 2nd/3rd click or more.

Peugeot 3008 - Asda unleaded petrol better than Tesco 95 ron? - FP

Filling to the brim is better, but even then the ground may not be perfectly level. To get some kind of accurate idea of consumption you need to measure it over several brimmed tankfuls and several hundreds of miles.

I have to say I'm extremely cynical about claims that Brand A's fuel gives more MPG than Brand B, unless there is an octane/cetane difference and, even then, only some engines will be able to take advantage of it. In the long term, different additives might make a difference as regards internal cleanliness.

Peugeot 3008 - Asda unleaded petrol better than Tesco 95 ron? - leighriley

Some great replies there gents, so thanks very much.

I am also of the view that different fuels will perform differently in different vehicles. The process of analysing this type of experiment is usually not that scientific, and can be affected by many variables (fuel age/quality, weather, right foot, traffic density etc.), but the tank of Asda unleaded did take me by surprise.

I do use the on-board mileage trips to measure mpg across different fuels, journeys etc. I know a lot of people say the only 'true' way to measure mpg is to do it the manual way, e.g. full to empty tank, then record miles completed when filling up again, but if you only use the vehicle's on-board display, at least it's consistent!

Tonight I've put the first batch of BP Ultimate in (119p/ltr) and it will be interesting to see if there is any noticeable difference over the next few refills of the same stuff.

Tbh, the wife drives the car more than I do, and she hasn't a clue what petrol is in it. In that respect, any on-board mpg readings are unbiased, as I usually can't do anything to influence them!

Leigh

Peugeot 3008 - Asda unleaded petrol better than Tesco 95 ron? - galileo

I do use the on-board mileage trips to measure mpg across different fuels, journeys etc. I know a lot of people say the only 'true' way to measure mpg is to do it the manual way, e.g. full to empty tank, then record miles completed when filling up again, but if you only use the vehicle's on-board display, at least it's consistent!

The on board display of MPG can be very far from accurate.

I record the on-board before filling to the first click (usually at the same Shell station and often the same pump) resetting the on-board mpg and trip meter.

I then calculate true consumption from the trip reading and litres used, which averaged 40.5 over the last 200 miles.

On-board can read 52 mpg, true 48, on another occasion 53 on-board works out at a true 45. On board 39, true 33 or 38 at a different time, so not reliably consistent.

Peugeot 3008 - Asda unleaded petrol better than Tesco 95 ron? - twitcherman

I'm often curious when these threads come up as to whether anyone has tested the trip meter for accuracy and consistency?

One could imagine for instance that tyres could "grow" by a variable amount depending on temperature, producing different mileage readings in town vs motorway driving.

Peugeot 3008 - Asda unleaded petrol better than Tesco 95 ron? - galileo

I'm often curious when these threads come up as to whether anyone has tested the trip meter for accuracy and consistency?

One could imagine for instance that tyres could "grow" by a variable amount depending on temperature, producing different mileage readings in town vs motorway driving.

Trip meters are presumably using same sensors and software as speedometers.

I have done the same long journey several times in half a dozen different cars and it has always registered 210-225 miles. Speedometers I've checked against SatNav on straight, level bits of Motorway have been 2-3 mph optimistic on my last 2005 Corolla and 2009 i30. So I'd suggest trip meters are probably as optimistic as speedo's. There is a local measured mile which the cops used to use to check their speed instruments but one mile isn't enough to check a trip meter.

Edited by galileo on 17/08/2016 at 21:47

Peugeot 3008 - Asda unleaded petrol better than Tesco 95 ron? - skidpan

I'm often curious when these threads come up as to whether anyone has tested the trip meter for accuracy and consistency?

All speedo's over read in todays cars. Experience shows its about 3 or 4 mph at 70 mph having checked them against satnav and the posts at the side of motorways (when I have been bored as a passenger).

But trip meters and odometers are different. I have checked the last few cars we have owned using sat nav and AA autoroute info (the satnav and AA autoroute are virtually identical over a 400+ mile trip).

Examples:

BMW 118D over read 1.7%

C-Max was spot on.

Golf over read by 5%.

Kia Ceed CRDi under read by 3.3%

Seat Leon over reads by 0.9%.

So taking the 2 extreems:

Our Ceed used to do a calculated 55 mpg on a holiday trip using the displayed mileage but factor in the error and the mpg increases to almost 57 mpg

Our Golf used to do a calculated 60 mpg on the same holiday trip using the displayed distance. Take 5% off and it drops to 57 mpg.

So whilst the Golf appeared more economical the much faster, larger, heavier, better equipped Kia was in truth doing the exact same mpg.

Another example of VW being creative with mpg figures?