Journey distances - Project C

Hi all

I know that as a rule constant short journeys are not good for the overall life of an engine. However, what would you consider to be too short, ie, to be detrimental

My o/h drives about 8 miles. First 1.5 at low speeds through the village, then 5 miles at 50-60 on an open country road and then the last 1.5 again lower speeds in to town. Do you think this journey for example is too short or would the higher speeds help warm up the engine?

Sorry if I'm missing the point just trying to better understand one of the many things I see crop up a lot on forums

Journey distances - Project C

I should point out that is her daily commute one way. Me... 25 miles of motorway!

Journey distances - RobJP

If it's a modern petrol engine, then it'll be all up to temperature after about 3 miles. So no issues regards condensation in engine or exhaust, fuel in the bores, or anything else, and it'll be fine.

If a modern diesel engine, then it's probably just getting to 'proper' operating temperature when she parks up. So the DPF will end up getting clogged (they only really work best when up to temp), the EGR valve would be collecting carbon far more (due to low engine temp), and eventually big bills will b on the way.

The real problem short journeys (for petrol engine cars) are those of 2 miles or less, regularly. There have been plenty of instances I've seen on here with elderly people with 2 year old cars with 4k miles on the clock, just used for driving very short trips 3-4 times a week, and the cars suffering major problems.

As for diesel, there was one case a couple of years ago when the (elderly) owner had driven 1200 miles in their new diesel car (a Corsa, I believe) in 10 months, and the DPF was completely clogged up.

Journey distances - bathtub tom

I'd say that's no problem. The first 1.5 miles should get the engine up to normal operating temperature and then the 5 mile (blast?) should clear everything out.

Not a diesel is it?

edit: Just seen RobJP's post.

Edited by bathtub tom on 26/06/2016 at 00:17

Journey distances - Project C

Hi there

Thanks both for replies. She has a small petrol engine

Journey distances - catsdad

Short journeys are not a certain death sentence and OP miles sound fine.

My wife's petrol Astra covered 45000 miles in 17 years. Main journey, 5 days a week, was a mile and a half each way at either end of the day, with occasional longer trips to give it a run. Serviced annually and had three exhaust OEM rear boxes in that time and one new battery. Last MOT emissions were fine.

Only sold it because another car became available through the family.

Whether current technology cars would last so long is another question.

Journey distances - John F

She has a small petrol engine

Which, as it has to rev more and work harder than larger engines, is ideal for short journeys. It should not only be warm after a mile but perhaps also even feeding hot coolant into the heater matrix!

I do wonder how long it takes for larger economical diesel engines to provide some cabin heat on a cold winter's morning.

Edited by John F on 27/06/2016 at 17:36

Journey distances - RobJP

Well John, I can say that my 325d (2.0 engine) takes about 5 miles before the temp guage even starts to move from 'cold'. Another 3-4 miles up to full operating temperature.

The cabin doesn't seem cold though. No idea if it has an auxiliary heater, however, and I'm aware a lot of modern diesel cars do - but on a cold morning I'll usually put the heated seats onto 'madras' or 'vindaloo' setting, dropping down to 'korma' when it gets a bit too toasty !

Journey distances - RT
I do wonder how long it takes for larger economical diesel engines to provide some cabin heat on a cold winter's morning.

A very long time! Diesel engines are thermally much more efficient than petrol engines, part of the reason they're more economical - so there's far less "waste" heat available for the cabin which is why many models have self-limiting PTC heater elements in their HVAC system, even mundane models and why an independent diesel cabin heater is available as an option.

My previous car, a Hyundai Santa Fe was a heavy SUV so plenty of energy needed to move it but in winter having got the car warmed up, it would all cool down again if caught in stop-start traffic, not enough waste heat.

Now, I have a VW Touareg with an independent cabin heater operated by remote control from inside a nice warm house!

Journey distances - Sofa Spud

If you're worried about lots of short journeys shortening engine life you could have a mains electric coolant heater fitted to your car so that the engine is warm when you start up in the morning. It'll cost money to buy and fit and it'll use electricity so it might cancel out the value of a marginally extended engine life!

Alternatively walk or cycle sometimes on the shorter journeys, that's what I do.