mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - steveo3002
theres a stretch of road near me , farmers cake it in mud year round , not just a splash here n there but its properly caked in mud

they stuck a couple of childlike homemade "mud on road " signs on the verge , so doe that make it okay ? are they allowed to just filthy up the road all they want

is it worth me complaining about it and who should i complain to , id like to see the worst of it cleaned up now n then

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Edited by Dynamic Dave on 20/02/2009 at 18:54

mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - Lud
Wimp. Grockle.
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - Old Navy
tinyurl.com/d2zzaf

This has some info.
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - busdriver
I drive regularly on back lanes. One farmer constantly had about 300yds of mud outside his gate. Bit like a skid pan. Local Community cop had words and it was cleaned up. Farmers are responsible for cleaning it up.
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - stan10
Good link Old Navy, it looks like the OP's answer is "yes, you can complain", and jogs my memory - i have seen trucks being hosed down before leaving building sites to go onto the road, obviously for this very reason, presumably the farmer(s) know too - hence the sign.
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - b308
Thats helpful, Lud!

More detail, please OP, is it a main road or one of those little unclassed roads in the middle of nowhere which connects farms, fields and little else?
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - busdriver
It makes no differnce. Rural roads are the most dangerous in the country. Tractors Trailers
Artics. Horses Cattle Pheasants. Badgers. Walkers. Boy racers. You name it they are all looking for that 10'ft of road.
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - Old Navy
Busses?
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - madux
A farmer once told me that by law they were required to clean up the cow-pats but not the mud. It is of course impossible to tell the difference once a few cars have driven over it so why bother?
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - Lud
More importantly, it gives your highly polished wine gum a rakish patina suggesting it might actually be used.
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - steveo3002
b308, its a main road id suppose , the only road between villages used by all not what youd call a little back lane or nothing

tbh im cheesed off becuase i like to keep my car clean and its impossible having to drive through this mess every time i go out , but im sure it would be pretty nasty going on a motorbike/moped on that road
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - b308
From that earlier post it seems you may have to have a quiet word with the local plod about it... I'm assuming that its dangerous rather than just dirtying your car which is what I'd expect as normal if you live in the middle of a farming area!
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - Old Navy
madux, Was the farmer trying to avoid a possible complaint to the authorities? I would guess most farmers know the score wether they admit it or not.
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - madux
Of course he was ON, that was his get-out clause.
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - Alby Back
We live on the edge of a town but to get anywhere after we have negotiated all the interminable speed humps, we often choose to use to use rural B roads to avoid traffic. I am absolutely convinced that my wife, who as far as I know has never washed a car, deliberately seeks out the muddiest ones when she borrows one of mine.......

:-(
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - Lud
If you drive a car around it gets dirt and mud on it.

When farmers move tractors or cattle from one field to another they get mud on the road.

I don't sympathise even remotely with an attitude that wants to complain and make someone responsible for enforcing road cleanliness.

Cars, especially very clean cars, look a lot better when they have gone through a bit of mud at high speed anyway.
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - ifithelps
Lud, I think you have your capital hat on there.

A muddy road as described by the OP presents a danger to other road users, or at the very least, deliberately leaving mud on the road is anti-social.

It is also wholly avoidable.

The farmer has a choice:

Either wash the tackle before taking it on the road.

Or clean up the mess he's made.
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - Lygonos
I think the comment about cowpats and mud are the wrong way round. Horse riders AFAIK have no need to pick up after their animals, but muddying the road is up there with spilling diseasel for liability if you get caught.
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - Waino
Before getting the law involved, it may be worth having a word with the clerk to the parish council and have it brought up as an agenda item. Generally the local farmers are well known to the parish council - in all probability, there'll be at least one farmer on it.
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - loskie
You want to eat? You need farmers.
You want to live in the country you need to expect smells, tractors and shxtty roads.
It's not like those tv relocation shows you know.

Edited by Dynamic Dave on 21/02/2009 at 02:40

mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - Lud
I think you have your capital hat on there.


Hardly. I've driven quite a bit in four continents now, not just in capital cities...

Only in this country would a person think of complaining to the resigned, won't-do-anything-about-it-anyway-if-they-can-possibly-avoid-it authorities because a farmer had made the road muddy. Strikes me as utterly absurd, and annoying too.
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - martint123
Only in this country would a person think of complaining to the resigned,

Try hitting a foot deep pile of squidgy mud on a motorbike and you would sing a different tune.
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - woodster
Loskie - I suspect that many of our population haven't made the link between farmers and the food they eat. Tesco probably springs to mind for many of them.

Hmmm, country roads and mud. Bit like Gin and tonic. Makes the driving more interesting and the washing more satisfying. (No, not the G&T)

Onto my main point though: I think we've had enough Police bashing and baiting on here, so I suggest we turn our attention to farmers, subsidies, 4 wheel drive vehicles and anything else anyone can think of. And fox hunting.


I'm joking......
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - smokie
..."we've had enough Police bashing and baiting on here..."

Whatever gave you that idea?? :-)



"...so I suggest we turn our attention to farmers, subsidies, 4 wheel drive vehicles and anything else anyone can think of. And fox hunting."

Only as they relate to motoring, of course.

mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - L'escargot
......... cow-pats but not the mud. It is of course impossible to tell the difference ..............


You townies might not be able to tell the difference, but us country folk will know what diet the cows have been on and which plants in our garden would benefit most from that particular sample of dung! Luvvly jubbly!
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - madux
You townies might not be able to tell the difference....


How dare you call me a townie!
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - L'escargot
How dare you call me a townie!


Are you not? Pray, good sir, what's your pedigree?
;-)
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - madux
Are you not? Pray good sir what's your pedigree?
;-)


Bred in Darkest Devon, lived most of my life in Wildest Wiltshire, if you must know.
Now you are going to tell me you have to live in a barn your whole life to not qualify as a townie!
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - L'escargot
Now you are going to tell me you have to live in a barn your
whole life to not qualify as a townie!


No, you'll do for me.
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - gordonbennet
If you live in the real countryside where the economy depends upon farming of one sort or another you have to put up with a bit of muck and odd smells, dust etc.

The only way to live in a sterile rural environment would be to live in a country park.

Could always buy a 4x4, up out of the mud and bullets..;)
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - Nsar
Farmers are obliged to clean roads of muck if it poses a safety hazard. I'd ask my missus if she was about, she did the case that that defined the law on it about 20 years ago.

mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - Bolt-on
Farmers should and usually do take care to avoid leaving muck in the roads, or will take the effort to warn road users of its presence (as in this case).

It's surely all part of good driving to keep your eye out for such hazards when on rural roads where people work.
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - JH
I reckon you can live in the country OR have a clean car, but not both. Anyway. it's cowpats you have to watch out for. It's like trying to wash off shement.
JH

Edited by JH on 21/02/2009 at 15:40

mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - Glaikit Wee Scunner {P}
My car gets thoroughly spattered most days on my commute. But the farmer does obviously 'clean' the road sometime- otherwise it would be feet deep in ordure.
But how do the shiny black Discos and Range Rovers infesting the Peak District manage to stay pristine?
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - 1400ted
As an extension to this theme, how about ice ? I was coming home from Much Wenlock in winter a couple of years ago on the bike. It was a good road, not a lane ,and it was dark. I was being cautious cos it was very cold. I came up a hill at the summit of which was a right hand bend then downhill. When I got to the top I hit a huge patch of ice and churned up icy water which was flowing across the road from the nearside out of the farmyard gate. I assume there was some sort ofr water leak in the yard. How I got across it upright I shall never know but I was just so grateful that i rode on to get a cuppa somewhere.
I wonder if the farmer would have been held liable in the event of an accident.......manslaughter perhaps ?
Ted
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - Lud
There's a permanent or semi-permanent overflowing ditch in a dip I know with an S bend on a country road. When we used to get cold winters it wasn't unusual to come across cars upended in the ditch there, sometimes two or three of them. It got them every time. As for mud and dung on the road, don't people see it coming? Surely scanning the road surface at all times is 'standard autopilot' for drivers, especially fast drivers, and even more so if they are bikers?

Edited by Lud on 21/02/2009 at 16:52

mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - gordonbennet
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It got them every time.


Didn't get you though did it Lud.

Bit of common savvy, freezing weather, possible run off from field/ditch diluting salt...let us think....hang on, blame the council and call 'claimsRus'

.;)
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - Sheepy-by-the-Sea
To a motorbikist this is about far more than getting your paintwork dirty; mud strewn across the road is a serious hazard.

That said - with adequate warning it's possible to deal with it but it would be a great help if cars following didn't tailgate when I slow down to negotiate hazards like mud or ice. You might think it's OK to go at 60, but when I slow to 20 to weave around clods of sloppy slippy mud I'd appreciate you not trying to force me off the road!

As for complaining - I grew up in the country and my dad worked on a farm, I know how hard it is to keep roads clean. I think it makes far more sense to put up proper reflective signs to give road users a better chance to deal with it.

Maybe if there's a constant issue, such as permanent farm buildings on opposite sides of the road, there should be a requirement to wash wheels - but for short-term situations such as bringing in the sugar beet harvest I think it's too much to expect.
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - AlanGowdy
To slightly change the topic - why is it that dog owners are expected to clear up the mess on the road / footpath that their animals leave or face prosecution yet horses can dump as much as a dozen dogs and their riders simply walk away scot free?
One law for the rich perhaps...?
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - smokie
...and little to do with motoring. Let's keep to topic please. :-)
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - martint123
Just to close the off topic question.
The materiel "left behind" by dogs is dangerous (Toxacara Canis - worms), especially to children. Horses (and cows etc) do not have the same problems.
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - Lud
The materiel "left behind" by dogs is dangerous (Toxacara Canis - worms) especially to children.
Horses (and cows etc) do not have the same problems.


Forgive me smokie, but:

Not only that, but cow dung is used in parts of Africa to improve the quality of the adobe mud used to plaster the walls and floors of houses. It makes it more stable and water-resistant. Apart from that, it doesn't smell bad.

Dog and cat excrement are another matter altogether.

Edited by Lud on 22/02/2009 at 16:28

mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - Robbie
Just to close the off topic question.
The materiel "left behind" by dogs is dangerous (Toxacara Canis - worms) especially to children.
Horses (and cows etc) do not have the same problems.


If dogs are wormed regularly there is no possibility of toxocara canis being present in their material left behind.
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - FotheringtonThomas
why is it that dog owners are expected to clear up the mess on the road / footpath


On the footpath, perhaps they may be expected to clear it up if byelaws exist. If your pooch fouls the road (or you remove the deposit from the footpath into the road with your toe), perhaps unfortunately for we drivers, you aren't expected to clear it up (under those byelaws).

Horses should not be on the footpath, so they should not be fouling it. I'd rather drive through a pile of horse dung on the road than a similar emission from a dog, FWIW.
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - Pugugly
I agree FT. I clean up after my dogs, horse from up the lane left a horrendously large deposit on the footpath recently, still walking round/over/through it tonight when out. Difference is that Horse pooh is environmentally sound, dog pooh isn't and can be quite toxic and requires specialist disposal.
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - FotheringtonThomas
Yes, you can complain, justifiably, to the police, the council, and/or the farmer - it should be fairly obvious who's doing this. It's an absolute offence (in fact various possibilities), and the council can[1] clear it up and charge the perpetrator for the cleaning. Mud dropped on the roads leads to accidents.

A quick trawl shows tinyurl.com/d2zzaf which is short and easy to read.

The same, approximately, goes for hedge cutting, should you suffer punctures.

[1] Edit: Have a duty to.

Edited by FotheringtonThomas on 22/02/2009 at 22:38

mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - A11DNL
Highways are a CC responsibility and in my experience action follows swiftly if you report problems via www.communityfix.co.uk/

David
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - Cliff Pope
Anyone who complains about mud and cow pats on the road should have their face rubbed in it until they get the message Food=Farming=Muck.

Why do I always have a sneaking admiration for those farmers who sometimes flip and go and hose someone's house with liquid manure?
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - b308
Usually the local Town Hall isn't it, Cliff?!
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - Mapmaker
I was driving in Country Durham the other week, and some fool of a farmer took a flock of sheep onto the road, holding me up for at least 10 minutes. To whom do I write to complain?
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - FotheringtonThomas
OT for thread. You can't, BTW, unless you just like writing complaining letters.
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - Mapmaker
OT for thread. You can't BTW unless you just like writing complaining letters.


On the same trip I walked along a public footpath. It was somewhat muddy, so I wrote to the local tourist board to tell them to sort it out. Meanwhile, whilst having my picnic lunch, a sheep had the temerity to bleat in my ear, so I left a note through the nearest farmhouse door to complain.
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - loskie
Little Bo Peep should be able to help. I hear she has lost her sheep.
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - FotheringtonThomas
Anyone who complains about mud (..) on the road should have their face
rubbed in it until they get the message Food=Farming=Muck.


Mud on road=danger=crashes. Farmers should abide by guidelines of good practice, and obey the law. The vast majority do so. See previous post.
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - Cliff Pope
>>
Mud on road=danger=crashes.


Mud on road = possible danger=drive at appropriate speed = no danger whatsoever
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - ForumNeedsModerating
In other words - if you're a farmer you don't have to follow best/good/ advised practice. 'Cos we're farmers innit & our convenience is more important than your safety or general amenity. Why don't we all behave like that - it'd all be a jolly good laugh eh!

Come & live in the country all you farmer-lovers & the reality would soon pall!

mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - Cliff Pope
Come & live in the country all you farmer-lovers & the reality would soon pall!


I do, and it doesn't.
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - L'escargot
I do and it doesn't.


Me too.
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - loskie
I have lived and worked in the country all of my life and all these things are just what you would expect, nothing extraordinary you just live with it. It's not a real problem unless you want to live in a sterile environment as so many do nowadays.
Ignorance of where food comes from is a terrible thing and unfortunately on the increase.
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - ForumNeedsModerating
>>Ignorance of where food comes from is a terrible thing and unfortunately on the increase

Now you tell me - when I moved to the 'country' I thought it was all Rose Cottage hamlets & wild-life enhancing set-aside!

The point that seems to be missed here is that there are degrees of mud & degrees of responsibility.

To seek to characterise the 'anti-mud' tendency as somehow fastidious ignorant townies (or the like) is simple evasion of the argument, which is: should farmers & other road surface polluters bear any responsibility &/or have any regard for other people's safety & amenity.

To me the answer is yes - and the answer also seems to be yes from our legislators - since there are comprehensive guidelines & legal statutes surrounding this whole area of what you can deposit & leave on the road. Indeed, many farmers acknowledge & accommodate this - but many don't.
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - Lud
drive at appropriate speed = no danger whatsoever


What could you mean CP? There's more than a danger - more like a certainty - that a car driven through one of these disgraceful patches of mud will be splashed with the stuff and actually look as if it has been used until the situation can be remedied at great cost in money and effort.

If that happened to my car I would trade it in immediately before any long-term effects started to show and cost me money. You can't be too careful, seems to me.

Successive governments have failed dismally to abolish nature (NB: farmers are part of nature). When oh when will these disgraceful politicians and their minions in the police start to understand that the British motorist deserves better, and has had enough?
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - Dynamic Dave
Whenever I see a 'Mud on road' sign, I keep expecting to see a 70's pop group round the next corner ;o)
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - captain chaos
I get quite annoyed at mud on the road, it messes up the white lettered tyres on my 4x4. Takes ages to get them nice and clean again ;-)
mud on road farmers ..can i complain? - loskie
Yeah and it covers up that spray on mud you buy in a can.
How rude.