Photocard driving licence. - oldgit
I have just received my first Photocard driving licence (I'm almost 70 years old) to replace the old style one I have had since the early '1970s.

I knew that the new, so called 'improved' one was in two parts i.e. the card and its paper counterpart but there is no way I can carry that fairly large sheet of paper in my wallet - which comfortably took the old style one.
I therefore propose just to carry the credit card-sized part - in any case I have no endorsements that would have been listed on the paper counterpart.

It seems a pity that some sort of chip could not have been incorporated into the photocard, thereby containing the necessary information which then may have made the paper portion redundant.

Does anyone else in fact NOT carry their driving licence on their person or if they do, do they carry both components?



Photocard driving licence. - daveyjp
I carry my old style licence , the new style paper part can be folded to be the same size (my wife has one and she carries the paper part folded).

As I have no photo ID I also carry a photocopy of my passport photo page which is folded inside my driving licence. I did this for a trip to Portugal as it is an offence not to carry photo id when driving and penalty is quite high - at least ?100. I now leave it in my wallet all the time.

Edited by daveyjp on 10/11/2007 at 18:13

Photocard driving licence. - pmh
If you need to hire a car (definitely abroad, not sure about UK) you will need the paper part!

If you dont carry it with you all the time you can guarantee the first time that you require a replacement hire vehicle will be a wet night a long way from home.


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Photocard driving licence. - 1066
i have the new style card and counterpart. i never carry any id with me ever.
i haven't seen my driving licence for at least ten years.
Photocard driving licence. - bell boy
My paper driving licence is in mint condition and the only way i will get a new fangled photo licence is when the govt pay .
I dont carry it at all
It still says i can cut down the dotted line if i dont want people to know my age but ive never tried this
Photocard driving licence. - Robin Reliant
It still says i can cut down the dotted line if i dont want people
to know my age but ive never tried this

Your age and your gender are shown by your driver number and anyone whose duties involve checking licences will know how to decipher it.
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Photocard driving licence. - bell boy
thanks rr i knew that
did you know that if you are ever stopped by the fuzzy wuzzies for the first time they take the colour of your eyes and any other redeeming features and log it in case they pull you ever again? this is so that if you werent one of the same then they would know? this information all used to be logged at police head quarters durham back in the early 80"s dont know whrere it goes now? probably outsourced to nigeria
Photocard driving licence. - R75
did you know that if you are ever stopped by the fuzzy wuzzies for the
first time they take the colour of your eyes and any other redeeming features ......


Really? Well the first time I got stopped the PC put me down as green eyed and ginger hair!

Could be a problem if ever stopped again as I am Blonde with Blue eyes!!!!!
Photocard driving licence. - Ruperts Trooper
My paper driving licence is in mint condition and the only way i will get
a new fangled photo licence is when the govt pay .


Or you get to age 70 when you have to pay, unless you give up driving at that point.
Photocard driving licence. - PoloGirl
You don't have to pay if you change your address. That's when I got mine.

I only carry the plastic bit in my wallet, but I know where the paper bit is in case I need a courtesy car when Gunther goes for a service. The leasing co have a copy of the paper bit and I understand they fax it through if you're stranded and somebody wants to see it before you can have a hire car.

Photocard driving licence. - R75
The leasing co have a copy of the paper bit and I understand they fax
it through if you're stranded and somebody wants to see it before you can have
a hire car.


Or you could do as I do, scan a copy of it and then place it on a secure, password protected server so you can recall it and print from any internet connected PC/Phone.
Photocard driving licence. - R40
>>If you need to hire a car (definitely abroad, not sure about UK) you will need the paper part!

I thought that but the four times I've hired cars in Europe in the last two years (Germany twice, France once, Netherlands once) the hire company have only required the card licence - never even asked to see the paper one.
Photocard driving licence. - uk_in_usa
If you need to hire a car (definitely abroad not sure about UK) you will
need the paper part!


I have hired many cars in the USA and never got asked to show the paper part. The expiry date of 2035 did confuse quite a few rental agents though!
Photocard driving licence. - milkyjoe
if you dont carry the paper part of your licence you will end up with a produca, so either carry the lot or none at all
Photocard driving licence. - Altea Ego
If you need to hire a car (definitely abroad not sure about UK) you will
need the paper part!


In the past 3 years I have hired 4 cars in the UK, and 5 abroad (3 this year, Crete, Naples and Turin)

Not even handed over the paper part let alone had it looked at. In europe they dont even know there is a paper part
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Photocard driving licence. - John S
Recently hired a car in Canada, and wasn't asked for the counterpart - the plastic card did the trick!

JS
Photocard driving licence. - Bill Payer
As I have no photo ID I also carry a photocopy of my passport photo
page...


I think it's pretty unlikely that a photocopy would be considered valid photo ID.
Photocard driving licence. - daveyjp
It is - it's a colour photocopy and acceptable in Portugal.
Photocard driving licence. - rtj70
When I hired a car on Maui years ago I only had a paper license then (photo one not out) and they looked a bit puzzled at the paper license at first.

Nearly hired a car on Kefalonia a few weeks back but in tidying the wallet before leaving I removed the photo license! I did take the paper bit. Hire company was happy to hire a car with passport/paper counterpart of license but said if I'd forgotten the whole license that wasn't a problem because he'd call the DVLA to check.
Photocard driving licence. - Fullchat
It is also an offence to fail to produce BOTH parts of your licence when required to do by a Police Officer etc etc etc. However you will find that most are content with just the Photo ID bit as it contains most of the relevant information which can be accessed electronically in any event.
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Fullchat
Photocard driving licence. - rtj70
It is an offence not to produce the full license on request. But it's not a legal requirement to carry the license. Therefore the reason why you have a limited time to produce all paperwork at a station.
Photocard driving licence. - oldgit
This is all so unnecessarily complicated now, isn't it? I had to renew my old one as it ran out on one myseventieth birthday, in January next, when a photocard licence is issued if you haven't had one before. In any case there is a medical form to sign and there is no cost unless, like myself, I opted for the Post Office to carry out their Premium checking service (thus getting my personal documents back).

In fifty+ years of driving I have never had to show my licence, apart from a year back when I had a courtesy car from a local garage and they wanted to photocopy it for records.
I had always liked carrrying my 'full' driving licence on my person and so I'll try the folding trick again and attempt to get it all into my fold up wallet along with the plastic bit and my insurance certificate, as per usual.
Photocard driving licence. - henry k
My photocard driving licence saves me a few pounds each and every year.
I no longer have to pay out for an international driving licence.
Photocard driving licence. - FotheringtonThomas
Does anyone else in fact NOT carry their driving licence on their person


I don't take mine with me (I'm not even sure where it is) - why should I, there's no point.
Photocard driving licence. - henry k
I don't take mine with me (I'm not even sure where it is) - why should I there's no point.

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As stated earlier
>>If you dont carry it with you all the time you can guarantee the first time that you require a replacement hire vehicle will be a wet night a long way from home.

It might just make things easier if you are stopped by the BiB e.g. "Are you aware one of your lights has failed ?" etc.

Pehaps you are immune from these situations ;-)
Photocard driving licence. - Statistical outlier
I was told by a lawyer friend of mine not to produce at the roadside in the UK, even if you have the docs on you. Supposedly you can request a producer for the station of your choice, and if there is a very minor, borderline slap on the wrist offence involved, they are more likely to let you off to avoid paperwork.

I'm sure the officers amongst us here probably wouldn't want to comment!
Photocard driving licence. - Pugugly {P}
Driver's Licence are carried on PNC now - so carrying the actual document is of less value now. I don't carry mine, if my wallet were stolen, it's one more document that would make it easier to steal my identity.
Photocard driving licence. - Kiwi Gary
Slightly off the thread topic, but I was wondering how, in UK, the plastic photolicence is viewed in general. Here in N.Z., despite protestations to the contrary by the politicians when it was introduced, it is the de-facto national identity card, so it can be a nuisance if you don't have it on you, e.g. using the branch of the bank different to that where you are already well known. In Australia, Government departments and banks require two forms of photo ID, i.e. passport AND photolicence, or else a huge mound of non-photo paperwork.

We have only the plastic credit-card-size licence here, no paper part, which means that I have to spend 7 pounds equivalent for an International Driving Permit when going on holiday in Europe [ incl UK.]
Photocard driving licence. - henry k
>>We have only the plastic credit-card-size licence here, no paper part,
which means that I have to spend 7 pounds equivalent for an International Driving Permit when going on holiday in Europe [ incl UK.]

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I am a bit surprised at you needing an IDP.

IMO an IDP is a bit of a joke. It is only a tatty bit of card with a mug shot and a translation into x languages. You can get it by just posting off your photo and cheque to the likes of the AA.
The key bit for us, with old licences, is that it has a photo.


Photocard driving licence. - Quinny
I just got my new style photocard licence last week,as I needed some points taken off stretching back to 1991,and I was able to do it all on line,including the payment of £10.

If you have a UK passport,they use the photo image from that,to put on your photocard,providing you still look the same,as being a governmental department,they can liase with one another,and it was delivered to my house in 3 working days.I was actually quite impressed.
Photocard driving licence. - expat
"We have only the plastic credit-card-size licence here, no paper part, which means that I have to spend 7 pounds equivalent for an International Driving Permit when going on holiday in Europe [ incl UK.]"

No - I just hired in the UK about a month ago and they were quite happy to take my Aussie plastic photo id licence. No questions and no problems. I didn't even know you could get two part licences. We don't have them in Australia.

"In Australia, Government departments and banks require two forms of photo ID, i.e. passport AND photolicence, or else a huge mound of non-photo paperwork."
It is a points based ID system. So many points for each type of ID. Photo IDs have higher points than others however they will take utility bills, and similar. Mind you it would be hard to make up enough points with just utility bills. Fair enough considering anyone with a scanner and photoshop could easily print out utility bills in anyone's name.