Motorway puntures.. D.I.Y. - graham woods
Hi all, I was going down the motorway today with my son, and he informed me that one is not allowed to do there own wheel changes ( because of punture) on the hard shoulder any more. You have to call for help. Is this right or his he pulling my leg ? First I have heard of it. Cheers, Graham.
Motorway puntures.. D.I.Y. - Dynamic Dave
Taken from the Highway Code:

do not attempt even simple repairs

www.highwaycode.gov.uk/24.htm#249
Motorway puntures.. D.I.Y. - Simon
I think it is only an advisory not to attempt a minor repair, rather than a mandatory action.

It does never cease to amaze me though, the other week I had to go and do a job on the M1 which was to change the rear punctured tyre on a car. I only went to do it because our car breakdown technicians were all busy and by the time I got to the guy he had been waiting an hour. There was no particular problem, he had a decent spare and all of the equipment (if he had wanted to do it himself), it was the middle of the morning and a lovely sunny day - the guy was fit and healthy and I would guess in his early twenties. The thing is he hadn't even attempted to try to change the wheel, nothing had been touched, even the wheel trim was still on. Five minutes later I had him sorted and ready to go, and as he signed the paperwork I asked him where he was going to. He was off to a job interview in London and obviously time was now going to be tight as he had 'lost' an hour.

Now if that was me I would not have dreamt of calling out a breakdown service just to change a wheel. At the very least I would have attempted it myself, especially if I was in his circumstances. Maybe that is just me though, do others think differently?
Motorway puntures.. D.I.Y. - davmal
Do you think he was an estate agent or a mobile 'phone salesman?
Motorway puntures.. D.I.Y. - Robin Reliant
I would probably do a nearside wheel myself provided I had a lookout to warn me of any approaching danger. I would not attempt to work on the offside of the car under any circumstances on a motorway.

I believe that 1/3 of all motorway accidents are on the hard shoulder.
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Motorway puntures.. D.I.Y. - yorkiebar
If i get calls to a motorway breakdown with a puncture I will always call police on the phones provided to cone off an area to work in.

If that is unavailable I will ALWAYS drive on the puncture to the nearest service area or other working area.

New tyre is way cheaper than my life ! Under no circumstances would I even attempt a puncture change
Motorway puntures.. D.I.Y. - martint123
I have changed an offside wheel on the hard shoulder. I drove over the kerb and onto the grass with just enough hard shoulder to give the jack a firm base. I took the wheelnuts off by touch as I spent all my time looking at the oncoming traffic ready to leg it.
Motorway puntures.. D.I.Y. - CGNorwich
''Maybe that is just me though, do others think differently?'

Yes I think its just you, What you were expecting the man to do was downright dangerous. He was following he correct procedure. Save an hour or risk your life, not a difficult question really. What doyou think break- down servides are for? Not sure from your post if you drive a breakdown truck but it is actually illegal to stop on a motorway to assist a breakdown unless you are in an appropriately equipped vehicle and have the necessary permit
Motorway puntures.. D.I.Y. - MichaelR
Now if that was me I would not have dreamt of
calling out a breakdown service just to change a wheel.
At the very least I would have attempted it myself, especially
if I was in his circumstances. Maybe that is just
me though, do others think differently?


An ideal world I would like to think I too would never need to call the RAC or similar for a simple tyre change.

However, the last few times I've removed wheels from any of my cars, usually for cleaning, it's been virtually impossible - infact today I gave up trying to get the rear wheel off my 5 Series becuase the nuts were done up so tightly. I can only assume this is becuase tyre fitters insist on using those stupid air guns to tighten wheels, making it virtually impossible to then remove the wheel again by hand.

Knowing this is the case with my car, if I got a puncture before I'd had a change to look at sorting this, I would call the RAC without bothering to get out of the car simply because I know I can't remove the wheel..
Motorway puntures.. D.I.Y. - graham woods
Cheers all for your comments,.... But is it still legal to change the wheel yourself ? Cheers, graham.
Motorway puntures.. D.I.Y. - milkyjoe
i lost a wheel on the m1 just b4 toddington services os/r it bounced over the barrier and missed traffic coming the other way luckily there is a foot bridge there and i had to go over it to recover the wheel then borrow a wheel nut off the other three wheels to refit it i managed to "limp" to the services about 1/4 mile but the back brakes had had it BUT the lucky thing about it was i had just come out of a contraflow system , it could have been curtains for a lot of people that day
Motorway puntures.. D.I.Y. - David Horn
Depends on time and place - nearside, wide hard shoulder, sunny Sunday afternoon on quiet motorway; I'd give it a shot if someone was around to keep an eye out for approaching traffic. Otherwise, I'd use the RAC, it's what I pay them for.
Motorway puntures.. D.I.Y. - the original horse
i have had 2 punctures on motorways both frightening experiences, not because the car shot in any direction they actually stayed quite stable, but being on the hard shoulder changing the wheel, all the time i was changing the wheel i was looking down the 1 st lane looking out for the artic that was reading a map or texting, you know the routine if youve followed some? drifting onto hard shoulder and then pulling them back into lane 1sharply.
fortunatley on my 2nd puncture , i had a freind with me, and the change over was like a f1 pit stop,
i cant see how it can be illegal to change your own tyre, but i reckon its a good idea to phone up the police, let them know your there, and maybe they will either send out one of those traffic [ vosa? ] galaxies, or there own police traffic car, and they can park behind you with there lights on , that will make you safer if your not a breakdown member like me ?
Motorway puntures.. D.I.Y. - Simon
>>Not sure from your post if you drive a breakdown truck but it is actually illegal to stop on a motorway to assist a >>breakdown unless you are in an appropriately equipped vehicle and have the necessary permit.

Yes I do work for a breakdown/recovery firm and working on the hard shoulder of the motorway can often be a daily task - so much so that it becomes 'normal'. I suppose you do have a point about it technically being an offence to stop on the hard shoulder unless you are there for a valid reason, but as for permits, its not quite that formal an arrangement.
Motorway puntures.. D.I.Y. - jc2
I would always call a breakdown service just to have a biggish vehicle behind me with a flashing light;having been on a coach that broke down on the M11-people should be able to see that- but lorries were passing with n/side wheels on the hard shoulder.
Motorway puntures.. D.I.Y. - mfarrow
Motorway tyre changing (in risk terms) is high severity/low probability. How many of the cars that break down on the motorway actually have something ram into the back of them? Not many by percentage I would guess.

In fact if you think about it, the guy Simon mentioned was increasing the probability of something crashing into his car by up to 12 times over changing the tyre himself. With most people choosing to sit in their cars, particularly in the cold winter months, they stand little chance of escaping uninjured when an artic hits them.

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Mike Farrow
Motorway puntures.. D.I.Y. - bell boy
As a rule of thumb i only ever use motorways if the vehicle i am using is known to me and i know the tyres are good and have lots of tread
this way the risk of a puncture is lessened due to the casing getting too warm
Probably a good time to remind people to check their tyre pressures regularly as well

Graham as far as im concerned its not illegal but, is indeed highly dangerous,i would rather do the puncture myself in 5 minutes and be away than spend an hour in an accident waiting to happen (as already said)
To finish i think we are breeding a country of wimps that dont check cars from one week to the next or even know how to lift a bonnet never mind how to top the oil up or change a simple bulb or how to use a jack.
Doesnt apply on this site though as everyone is willing to have a go or find out an altenative rather than burying their heads in the sand approach.
Motorway punctures.. D.I.Y. - Pugugly {P}

Still doesn't answer the OP's question. Can't find anything in the Motoroways Traffic Regs, but it seems a right jumble of poorly worded Statutory Instruments (are these people employing people with GCSE English ?). I think th Highway Code wiuld be clear on it if it was. Sort something out on Tuesday.
Motorway puntures.. D.I.Y. - CGNorwich
"how many of the cars that break down on the motorway actually have something ram into the back of them?


Not many by percentage I would guess."
see www.gnn.gov.uk/Content/Detail.asp?ReleaseID=238873...2


Last year( 2005), on England's motorways, there were 12 fatal hard shoulder accidents and 28 serious accidents. These are accidents where at least one vehicle involved was entering or leaving the hard shoulder.

As a result of these accidents, 15 people died and 42 were seriously injured. In total there were 127 hard shoulder accidents in 2005 and 7,677 accidents in total on England's motorway network that year.

Stats from Highways Agency

Perhaps not many in percentage terms but hard shoulder definely not a place to linger or mess about changing wheels

Motorway puntures.. D.I.Y. - graham woods
Thanks all for the comments on this subject, Cheers, graham.
Motorway puntures.. D.I.Y. - Simon
>>In fact if you think about it, the guy Simon mentioned was increasing the probability of something crashing into >>his car by up to 12 times over changing the tyre himself. With most people choosing to sit in their cars, >>particularly in the cold winter months, they stand little chance of escaping uninjured when an artic hits them.

In fairness the guy with the flat tyre had done everything right. He had pulled up only a hundred yards or so past the end of the sliproad where it exits a services (only by chance), he had positioned his car as far left as possible, the hard shoulder was quite wide at that point and there was easily six foot from the offside of his car to the line separating the hard shoulder from lane 1. The guy was standing up the embankment, well away from any danger and if I had needed to I could have moved his car another four feet to the left - but it wasn't necessary.

Now if that had been me, I would have reversed very slowly 150 yards backwards so I had the exit sliproad between myself and the running lanes of the motorway. That would have considerably decreased the already small risk of getting wiped out by something travelling at speed and then had a go at changing the tyre.

As I said I work sometimes daily on the motorway attending breakdowns and recoveries, and to be honest there are very few accidents involving stationary vehicles on the hard shoulder. You are more likely to have an accident on the motorway whilst moving than you are if you were broken down.

As for using the orange phone boxes, then yes that is always a good idea to let the control room operators know that you are in a bit of trouble, but don't expect them to dispatch a patrol of these 'traffic officers' straight to you just so you feel a bit less threatened. If they are not busy then a patrol will no doubt stop, but don't rely on it.

If I insisted that I had to wait for a 'traffic officer' patrol to attend a breakdown before I could work on the vehicle then I would no doubt end up spending double the amount of time sitting on the hard shoulder. That means that I would be a lot more likely to get wiped out as the longer you are there, the more chance there is of it happening. Often I can have a vehicle fixed/picked up and away before a 'traffic officer' patrol even passes.
Motorway puntures.. D.I.Y. - flynn
Simon said:
>Now if that was me I would not have dreamt of calling out a breakdown service just to change a wheel. At the
>very least I would have attempted it myself, especially if I was in his circumstances. Maybe that is just me
>though, do others think differently?

Only once had a puncture on a motorway and it didn't occur to me to call out the AA despite being a member. It was in daylight but maybe I should have done and might consider it next time.

Must be some degree of risk but would wonder statistically how many cars are hit on the hard-shoulder? Mile for mile, motorways are overall very safe. Police cars regularly stop behind breakdowns and though they have the slight added protection of a flashing blue light are they or the breakdown trucks often hit? Would certainly feel more vulnerable on an unlit road at night without a hard-shoulder where traffic had to pull out to avoid me, even in a moderately quiet side-road.
Motorway puntures.. D.I.Y. - james86
I changed a nearside wheel on the motorway about 6 weeks ago after a blowout. One of the highways agency traffic patrol cars spotted me and came to help - held a torch for me (it was in the middle of the night) and helped keep a lookout particularly when I was wanting to drive off again.

Presumably it's legal otherwise they wouldn't have let me, but they did at the time try and persuade me to call the AA. It was 2 in the morning and I was still an hour from home so really didn't fancy waiting for them, and when I said this the highways agency guys were quite happy to let me do it myself.
Motorway puntures.. D.I.Y. - slowdown avenue
a lad i knew got killed changing a tyre on m1, and he was a tyre fitter on call out. highway code says dont change tyre yourself, dont think it says must not. use your common sense, is it dark, busy nearside , offside, easy available spare, warning triangle.
Motorway puntures.. D.I.Y. - Pugugly {P}
Lot to be said for a Hi-Viz jacket, I got on from a friendly cop (who'd removed the Police stuff).........cheap as chips in Aldiland.
Motorway puntures.. D.I.Y. - Wales Forester
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4757692.stm

14 months ago, not sure how the two HA guys ended up, but the truck driver was well over the drink drive limit.
Motorway puntures.. D.I.Y. - Pugugly {P}
Sadness writ in there........people still suffering because of it.