NA - Internal oil resistance of ""steel" brake hose? - edlithgow

Seem to be a dissenting voice ( surely not) on a boating forum about the use of a motorcycle brake hose to replace a hard steel oil line on Yanmar 1GM and 2GM marine diesel engines.

https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f54/2gm20f-oil-feed-fix-273982.html#post3957580

I think this is quite risky, because these hoses wont be built for and tested long term with hot mineral oil, but I dont actually know what the flexible core is usually made of, or how much this varies.

If its a flourocarbon plastic I suppose it might be OK, but if its rubber (and I know there are A LOT of different rubbers), maybe not so much.

The proposer of this fix has responded stating the lining is teflon, and if that's always the case I suppose my concerns are probably unfounded

Anyone know?

Edited by edlithgow on 16/12/2024 at 11:13

NA - Internal oil resistance of ""steel" brake hose? - skidpan

Used this for a majority of the injection fuel lines on the Caterham

www.thinkauto.com/tfe.htm

Its not a particular pleasure to fit and is quite hard to handle. The ends are easy enough to fit in a vice but out of a vice they are a bit of a pain.

Best method to cut is cover with tape and cut through the SS cover. Then cut the PTFE liner with a stanley blade.

Have plenty of band aids at the ready, the SS covering takes no prisoners.

NA - Internal oil resistance of ""steel" brake hose? - edlithgow

Used this for a majority of the injection fuel lines on the Caterham

www.thinkauto.com/tfe.htm

Its not a particular pleasure to fit and is quite hard to handle. The ends are easy enough to fit in a vice but out of a vice they are a bit of a pain.

Best method to cut is cover with tape and cut through the SS cover. Then cut the PTFE liner with a stanley blade.

Have plenty of band aids at the ready, the SS covering takes no prisoners.

Thanks, I'll pass that on.

I think the boaties understandably like the idea of an off the -shelf hose that fits rather than making something up, and if your sources statement that

"On racing vehicles, this has lead to the universal usage of smooth bore PTFE (Teflon Ž ) hose with normally a stainless steel."(My bolding for emphasis)

is accurate, that should mean that if they use "quality" stuff sold for racing, they should be OK, even though its not sold for use with hot mineral oil.

NA - Internal oil resistance of ""steel" brake hose? - focussed

Flexible pipes in braking systems are lined with EPDM rubber which resists brake fluid.

EPDM is not to be used for mineral oils.

www.manuf-rubber.com/news/what-you-need-to-know-ab.../

NA - Internal oil resistance of ""steel" brake hose? - edlithgow

Flexible pipes in braking systems are lined with EPDM rubber which resists brake fluid.

EPDM is not to be used for mineral oils.

www.manuf-rubber.com/news/what-you-need-to-know-ab.../

I'm sure you are right, and thanks for the link.

Its slightly odd that they don't list brake hoses as one of the applications, given the properties

"The automotive industry uses radiator and heater hoses, window and door seals, wire and cable connectors and insulators, diaphragms, and weather stripping."

but I think I've confirmed that adequately elsewhere


https://www.hosequip.co.uk/epdm-brake-hose-75mm-x-13mm-1962-p.asp

for example

NA - Internal oil resistance of ""steel" brake hose? - focussed

Flexible pipes in braking systems are lined with EPDM rubber which resists brake fluid.

EPDM is not to be used for mineral oils.

www.manuf-rubber.com/news/what-you-need-to-know-ab.../

I'm sure you are right, and thanks for the link.

Its slightly odd that they don't list brake hoses as one of the applications, given the properties

"The automotive industry uses radiator and heater hoses, window and door seals, wire and cable connectors and insulators, diaphragms, and weather stripping."

but I think I've confirmed that adequately elsewhere


https://www.hosequip.co.uk/epdm-brake-hose-75mm-x-13mm-1962-p.asp

for example

How do I know?

I have recently taken a large Yamaha motorcycle out of long term dry storage.

It became obvious that there was a minor leak of brake fluid from a pipe connecting the rear brake fluid reservoir under the pillion seat,to the rear brake master cylinder.

Removing the pipe revealed mouse chewed damage to the pipe, sufficient to cause a minor brake fluid leak..

The OEM replacement pipe was about £50 for a piece of pipe about 8 mm diameter x 300 mm long, but it was a moulded shaped pipe to fit the tight installation of the reservoir.

I looked for generic pipe which would substitute but none was found that would either resist the brake fluid, or cope with the tortuous installation.

So it was OEM pipe + anti mouse spray.