Any - Driverless Cars ? - MikeM100

Just can't see the Artificially Intelligent (AI) Amazon Echo's Alexa driving my car ?

Worryingly her favourite expression seems to be: "I am sorry but ......."

Any - Driverless Cars ? - Andrew-T

I had to giggle when Philip Hammond extolled the idea of driverless cars, saying how all those redundant taxi drivers could be retrained for new jobs, increasing productivity and thereby boosting the economy. What hogwash :-)

Any - Driverless Cars ? - argybargy

Its really hard to see how the idea could ever become common currency on normal roads, unless they build new ones solely for driverless cars.

That might work, until the driverless traffic jams start to appear.

Any - Driverless Cars ? - RT

It will work - only electric autonomous vehicles with be permitted on UK roads - the end of civilisation as we know it.

Any - Driverless Cars ? - MikeM100

I just can't see driverless cars working in UK cities ? Maybe big trucks driving across the United States or Australia on open roads ?

I think the 'snag' will be that the maximum speed of the vehicles will probably be limited to less than 20 mph ! Perhaps a man to walk in front of them with a red flag ?

Also I have a feeling that this will need a bottomless pit of taxpayers money ?

Any - Driverless Cars ? - bolt

It will work - only electric autonomous vehicles with be permitted on UK roads - the end of civilisation as we know it.

Elon Musk-and others are worried about this, and I think they have good reason to be, problem is, Ai is being pushed too hard imo, because one company wants to be first to make it work out of the many trying

and as tech gets better, as in chips being made smaller, with software getting better, it wont be long before they will be able to make decisions on their own without programers having to tell them what to do

its coming faster than most people realise or believe

Any - Driverless Cars ? - RT

I do think that autonomous cars will be ubiquitous before EVs achieve the same status - that will slash the number of new cars sold each year.

Personally, I'll be long gone before either happens!

Any - Driverless Cars ? - CK91437

Driverless cars are just a dream - and wont hapen any time soon.

There will be some automation, but the driver will always be ultimatley in control.

eg. adaptive cruise, lane keep assist, autonomous braking, self parking, etc.

Any - Driverless Cars ? - Ethan Edwards

Wait till criminals discover that all you need to go to stop one is walk into it's path. Once your stationary they pounce.

If you dont have it stop the libtards will howl about Racism or some crap. So the designers will make it stop. The rest is predictable.

Hello driverless vehicle muggings. A whole new technology will bring us a whole new crime.

Any - Driverless Cars ? - bolt

Wait till criminals discover that all you need to go to stop one is walk into it's path. Once your stationary they pounce.

If you dont have it stop the libtards will howl about Racism or some crap. So the designers will make it stop. The rest is predictable.

Hello driverless vehicle muggings. A whole new technology will bring us a whole new crime.

tech, IS, bringing new crimes, thats why so many hackers are around and they wont need to walk in front of a car, a laptop wifi and bluetooth is all they will need

find vulnerable holes in security software and they get what they want, imagine a hacker getting into the computer of a driverless car, it can be stolen without breaking in!

Any - Driverless Cars ? - kiss (keep it simple)

Try a driverless car on the Magic Roundabout in Hemel Hempstead during rush hour.

Any - Driverless Cars ? - argybargy

Once the game of soccer crashes to oblivion, crushed under the weight of stratospheric player wages, they'll be forced to mothball a lot of Premiership football grounds.

However, all is not lost. One day those same stadia will reopen in order to stage gladiatorial contests between teams of driverless and human-driven cars, in a form which will amount to stock car racing "to the death", and the people will pile in to watch in order to take their minds off the bread riots and the fact that unlike the rich, they cannot afford to take a rocket to the Moon to escape environmental catastrophe.

Yes, the future will be shaped by the agendas of inventors and climate change deniers, and then put into practice by legions of rabid nutters.

Any - Driverless Cars ? - bolt

the future will be shaped by the agendas of inventors and climate change deniers, and then put into practice by legions of rabid nutters

Whether there are deniers or believers, it will happen anyway, and I very much doubt we can do anything about it!

but there is no harm in trying!

Any - Driverless Cars ? - Miniman777

Driverless cars are just a dream - and wont hapen any time soon.

There will be some automation, but the driver will always be ultimatley in control.

eg. adaptive cruise, lane keep assist, autonomous braking, self parking, etc.

I think your bigger problem is lorry platooning. As someone working in the transport industry, I have serious concerns over the safety of 3, 4 or 5 HGVs travelling at 60mph in close formation under the control of one driver. We have a railway system for activities like that.

Such an idea could block exits to other vehicles, block access to the hard shoulder in the event of the need to take evasive action, not to mention whether the subsequent trucks have the capability to brake in an emergency without piling into the truck in front. Add in lead driver being taken ill, hacking of signals connecting the truck, a blow out etc and you have major road safety issues.

On modern trains, you have a 'dead mans' device (usually a tredle the driver keeps depressed with his feet) which is connected to a vigilence device that will trigger the brakes if the driver does not respond by lifting his foot off the tredle. Trains also have an emergency stop button on the desk and a data recorder - will these trucks have such devices?

Also, there is an agenda beginning to emerge, as a former Transport Minister, Lord Adonis, now head of the National Infrastructure Commission, has spoken out in his leaning towards platooning plus tweeting (incorrectly as it turned out) that a train he was on was delayed by a broken down freight train. This is skewing the playing field and if people do not push for more freight on the railways, will lead to more (and even platooning) trucks on UK roads.

As for driverless cars, takes all the fun out of motoring. There is a serious danger the plot will be lost and we will become automated clones.

Any - Driverless Cars ? - gordonbennet

I wouldn't think any UK platooning trials being any more use than jollies for the grant receivers Miniman, at best in an ideal world (Britains overcrowded motorways?? oh please) the following platooned lorries will achieve around 10% fuel saving, the last lorry not as much i expect because it's got the vacuum to drag along.

So goodness knows how much electronic rubbish at whatever cost, plus all the minus points, and a driver will still be required to be at the wheel of each vehicle ready to take over when error 404 logs on.

Which is where it all falls down, because you have a chap vegetating in a vehicle running close behind the others, no field of vision, no idea what could possibly be happening at the front, what do the eggheads imagine will be the outcome when our driver has to suddenly take over at moments notice and make the right decision and take the right action in an instant.

I suspect, as with wealthy politically well connected landowners/investors and bird slicing windmills, following the money and it's fiends and relations could be revealing.

If they want to make road transport more cost effective, they're going to have to allow large increases in the length and weight of trunking lorries, and all we can hope is they won't dumb the lorry training and testing further down to get ever cheaper bums on the seats, breath not held.

Any - Driverless Cars ? - Sofa Spud

I do think that autonomous cars will be ubiquitous before EVs achieve the same status - that will slash the number of new cars sold each year.

Personally, I'll be long gone before either happens!

Autonomy as a 'driver aid' already exists. Tesla Autopilot allows the car to drive itself in some situations but the driver is required to monitor what's happening and take control if need be. Other manufacturers are working on similar stuff.

So in the next few years autonomy as a driver aid will become more widespread. A couple of years ago I would have said no, but I've changed my mind.

Fully autonomous cars that don't have a driver and maybe don't even have any driving controls are much further off. Yes, there are experimental slow-speed pod-like minibuses that have no driver and Rotterdam port has a fleet of driverless container transporter trucks, but these are specialised applications.

Electric vehicles are a different matter. They are here already and as battery technology improves, there will come a point when an electric car simply becomes the best option for many customers. That point might not be much more than 5 years away.

Edited by Sofa Spud on 25/11/2017 at 23:24

Any - Driverless Cars ? - RT

Electric vehicles are a different matter. They are here already and as battery technology improves, there will come a point when an electric car simply becomes the best option for many customers. That point might not be much more than 5 years away.

IMO a lot longer than 5 years - Tesla can't even ramp up production levels of Model 3, all their promises/predictions get missed.

Any - Driverless Cars ? - Sofa Spud

Electric vehicles are a different matter. They are here already and as battery technology improves, there will come a point when an electric car simply becomes the best option for many customers. That point might not be much more than 5 years away.

IMO a lot longer than 5 years - Tesla can't even ramp up production levels of Model 3, all their promises/predictions get missed.

Tesla's poor production figures on the Model 3 aren't essentially anything to do with it being an electric car, but to do with promising more than they could deliver, literally. The production total for their bigger Model S passed 150,000 about a year ago. But it's not only Tesla - the New '2018' Nissan Leaf has got off to a good start and the Chevrolet Bolt is selling well, although I don't think it's available here.

Any - Driverless Cars ? - RT

Electric vehicles are a different matter. They are here already and as battery technology improves, there will come a point when an electric car simply becomes the best option for many customers. That point might not be much more than 5 years away.

IMO a lot longer than 5 years - Tesla can't even ramp up production levels of Model 3, all their promises/predictions get missed.

Tesla's poor production figures on the Model 3 aren't essentially anything to do with it being an electric car, but to do with promising more than they could deliver, literally. The production total for their bigger Model S passed 150,000 about a year ago. But it's not only Tesla - the New '2018' Nissan Leaf has got off to a good start and the Chevrolet Bolt is selling well, although I don't think it's available here.

Chevrolet Bolt is just finishing roll-out in the USA - it can't be built in RHD (typical American blinkers) - it's only been launched in one European country, Norway, but dealers have been instructed to stop taking new orders

Any - Driverless Cars ? - barney100

If your driverless car gets a speeding ticket will it have to take a course or have to have points on it's license?

Any - Driverless Cars ? - focussed

Unless the issue of insurance is settled, in that the car's infallible computer system is legally the driver, and in the event of an accident the "human driver who isn't driving" is not liable, driverless cars are going nowhere.

So, insurance companies, please step up to the plate and show your confidence in the driverless car by offering ridiculously low premiums.

It hasn't happened yet as far as I know.

Any - Driverless Cars ? - bolt

If your driverless car gets a speeding ticket will it have to take a course or have to have points on it's license?

They will not need speed cameras or traffic cops with autonomous cars, they will not drive over the speed limit, so another saving for the government unless the cops are transfered to other duties?

Any - Driverless Cars ? - argybargy

If a driverless car gets a speeding ticket, the inventor should be the one who pays the penalty for building something which is complicit in illegal activity.

But...I strongly suspect that the law will be "tweaked" so that nobody who is regarded as a bastion of capitalist endeavour will suffer any consequences if their precious, ground breaking baby doesn't always toe the line.

Any - Driverless Cars ? - bolt

If a driverless car gets a speeding ticket, the inventor should be the one who pays the penalty for building something which is complicit in illegal activity.

But...I strongly suspect that the law will be "tweaked" so that nobody who is regarded as a bastion of capitalist endeavour will suffer any consequences if their precious, ground breaking baby doesn't always toe the line.

Unlikely a driverless car, ie fully autonomous is going to speed unless it has a mind of its own which is the general idea of it, so as the different parts are invented by several parties/companies, it would be hard to pinpoint who was to blame

but as focus pointed out, insurance companies are going to have a hard time working out accident blame due to the nature of the how the car works...interesting one that!

Any - Driverless Cars ? - SteVee

I can't see autonomous cars working in the UK in the near future.

autonomous vehicles mixing with unskilled drivers ?
how does the autonomous car know the speed limit - does it read the signs ? Should I put a 20 limit by my road so they go nice & slow (and possibly a no-left-turn sign to stop them altogether).
I must learn to hack - there's going to be so much opportunity in this brave new world.
The car industry is having problems building robotised transmissions, the idea of travelling in an out-of-warranty self-driving car is not appealing.

Why don't the government prioritise autonomous trains ? We've had the DLR for years, I'm sure automating the driving of Southern Railway - get rid of the driver and keep the guard - is technically possible. At least that would keep the automata & unskilled operators apart.

Any - Driverless Cars ? - gordonbennet

Well this is very interesting, among the decently intelligent folk here the idea of driverless vehicles is about as welcome as a dose of the pox, which is on a par with how they are viewed on the lorry driver's forum, apart from one oddball posting under at least 2 alias's.

If you use you mobile hands free the chances are the signal will drop at least once during the call, as said they can't get an automated manual gearbox to perform any better than a chimp could drive it, yet they think that driverless vehicles are going to be the thing in the new utopia they wish to be in charge of.

When they've finished making everyone redundant (proletariat only you understand) have they worked out who's going to be spending the money they no longer earn to keep them in ever higher profits?

Never mind, whilst they're faffing about with this, the latest wheeze, it keeps the eggheads from playing with really dangerous stuff.

Any - Driverless Cars ? - Sungem
What cannot be enforced usually ends up being made legal. We already have driverless cars- "Drivers"' filmed eating chinese food with chop sticks, making phone calls, putting on makeup, reading books etc etc. All we need is a flashing light on such vehicles and the rest of us might get more of a chance to avoid close contact.
Any - Driverless Cars ? - RaineMan

We already have them around here. They appear during the school run. Well they might as well be driverless as the drivers are looking sideways talking with their kids, chatting on their mobiles, double parking, moving off without indicating, etc... If the police set up an operation near any local school they could catch dozens. No AI here just sheer stupidity!

Any - Driverless Cars ? - Terry W
it is not if but when. I would place it as more than 3 but less than 10 years. I do not expect the UK to lead the world in the use of driverless vehicles but follow another with lower regulatory hurdles. What comes to the Uk will have major bugs already fixed.

Most of the problems are there because we don't want to find a solution. A little like the man with a red flag in case the car wrought unimaginable carnage.

With all the sensing equipment carried the facts of any event will be revealed in glorious technicolor and action taken accordingly.

Walking out in front of a driverless vehicles to stop it will quickly cease when cameras etc demonstrate they misjudged the distance and were flattened.

Vandalism will be reduced - they will not want to be the focus of a high resolution image.

Accidents will have sensor and camera data giving an unambiguous record of what happened, not several personal interpretations

Software will be updated to improve prerfomance.

I grew up at a time when car ownership provided status and freedom. But I suspect I am the last generation for which this is the case. In 25 years driverless will be the norm for all but specialist requirements. Most on this forum including me are like the dinosaur, close to extinction.
Any - Driverless Cars ? - Sulphur Man

Regardless of where autonomous technology might take us, this fascinating interactive questionnaire on the moral decisions that an autonomously pilotted car has to make effectively blocks the technology from ever reaching the general public. The legal and moral maze is too complex imo. Although Mercedes have openly stated that their tech will protect the car occupants above all else....gutsy

Have a play

moralmachine.mit.edu/ and click on 'Start Judging'

Any - Driverless Cars ? - Andrew-T

<< Most on this forum including me are like the dinosaur, close to extinction. >>

It is because most of 'us' are like dinosaurs that I have misgivings about the whole idea of driverless cars. I don't believe anyone has yet designed any computer-driven system which has anticipated all the unexpected circumstances it may need to deal with. And let's face it, roads can present some pretty unexpected circs.

The whole notion that since we can't trust humans to drive faultlessly we should design a machine to do it for us, is too optimistic for me. It's more like an example of 'I've just had an idea - let's make a toy which can drive itself ...' - another vanity project. The internet was a very clever idea too, but like most other inventions or discoveries it has been subverted by some. What might they do with D/Cs ?

I presume a D/C does not need to contain an occupant, so that one can be summoned from somewhere else? So as well as driven cars, our roads will become cluttered with empty ones too ?

Edited by Andrew-T on 29/11/2017 at 15:55

Any - Driverless Cars ? - Terry W
The legal framework will be fairly straightforward if manufacturers opt for full driverless as responsibility for failure ultimately rests wholly with the manufacturer provided the vehicle is used and maintained in accordance with manufacturers instructions.

There is a more complex issue. In towns and cities postcodes usually define the destinations to 10-25m. In the country this can be an area a mile long with three detached dwellings. The vehicle will need to know (for instance) do I park on road,driveway, behind or adjacent other cars, etc. If I go to the supermarket do I park outside,disabled,in multi-storey etc. So some element of low speed control up to say 15mph will be required-probably joy stick based with back up safely provided by driverless.

IT generally gets smarter as time passes even though it may not all be beneficial. But economics will win in the end and dinosaurs will become extinct. Driverless will provide mobility for millions - elderly, disabled, etc. It will allow those who can't or dislike driving to travel. It will cut the cost of taxis and ultimately buses, possibly delivery services. It could ultimately change the structure of towns and cities with driverless cars dropping people at their destination, parking offsite and recharging, recalled to pick up point using an app, busy polluted town centres disappear,commuting is transformed.
Any - Driverless Cars ? - bolt
The legal framework will be fairly straightforward if manufacturers opt for full driverless as responsibility for failure ultimately rests wholly with the manufacturer provided the vehicle is used and maintained in accordance with manufacturers instructions. There is a more complex issue. In towns and cities postcodes usually define the destinations to 10-25m. In the country this can be an area a mile long with three detached dwellings. The vehicle will need to know (for instance) do I park on road,driveway, behind or adjacent other cars, etc. If I go to the supermarket do I park outside,disabled,in multi-storey etc. So some element of low speed control up to say 15mph will be required-probably joy stick based with back up safely provided by driverless. IT generally gets smarter as time passes even though it may not all be beneficial. But economics will win in the end and dinosaurs will become extinct. Driverless will provide mobility for millions - elderly, disabled, etc. It will allow those who can't or dislike driving to travel. It will cut the cost of taxis and ultimately buses, possibly delivery services. It could ultimately change the structure of towns and cities with driverless cars dropping people at their destination, parking offsite and recharging, recalled to pick up point using an app, busy polluted town centres disappear,commuting is transformed.

The general idea is that cars will make their own decisions rather than rely on software giving instructions, similar to self aware robots that are supposedly going to replace soldiers in future.

and once 5g comes into its own, very soon, all cars will be able to talk to each other knowing exactly whats going on and where, even mapping will get better which the car will be able to learn itself where its going, and probably be more accurate about time keeping than a cab would be

because they want a car to be self aware, could prevent them from becoming the norm as they dont feel, have no morals and apart from the software, would not worry about running a person over, as those things cannot be programmed as yet, so I think the governments would have a bit of a dilemma on their hands which could take years to sort out....

Any - Driverless Cars ? - gordonbennet

If we humans manage a mere fraction of the time dinosaurs reigned, then we'll be lucky.

People are easily bought with trinkets, and there is never a shortage of those who want power who bribe their adulators with more trinkets than the other contender to help them attain heights, political parties a prime example, those who want power are the ones who should be automatically denied it.

This strive for automation is simply money/power crazed people trying to get one over on the others in case they come up with the robotised unstoppable army before them , because autonomous armed units able to act independantly is where all this driverless sideshow is ultimately aimed, drone's a bit costly in destruction old bean, we'd rather cull without the collateral damage which is costing too much.

People use the dinosaur term to mock those who don't willingly follow the progress god, when humans have got 50 million years of history instead of 5 minutes and haven't destroyed their planet or themselves, then they might earn the right to say we were right.

Any - Driverless Cars ? - Sulphur Man

"The legal framework will be fairly straightforward if manufacturers opt for full driverless as responsibility for failure ultimately rests wholly with the manufacturer provided the vehicle is used and maintained in accordance with manufacturers instructions. "

This won't happen. Ever.

Two words, parking sensors. The vast majority of cars these days come with rear parking sensors at the very least, going up to those that park themselves. The common theme is that every single user manual will caveat that the parking assitance system should be governed by the driver's judgement, and is therefore not infallible.

How on earth will any manufacturer take responsibility for a full autonomous system's performance? Answer, they never will. Meaning the driver must be aware of how the system is behaving and be ready to step if there's an immediate problem. So like driving then, with a bit less interaction.

Autonomously piloted cars is the 3D TV of the motoring industry. An uncomfortable, confusing technology which no driver will prefer over actual control.

Any - Driverless Cars ? - Avant

Am I missing something here?

I'm assuming that the 'driverless car' isn't actually empty. It can't go to work and do your job for you. It can't do the shopping. So someone must be in it - so they may as well drive it surely. Do we really believe that in all road situations and conditions a computer can cope better than a person?

I may be a Luddite but whatever the advances in computer science, I don't believe that computers will ever supersede the human brain. However sophisticated, they still have to be programmed in the way that the human brain does not. Psychologists say that even they currently understand only about 30-40% of the workings of the brain, so they're a long way from replacing all its functions.

By all means tell me that the above para is wrong. But how do you know?

I remember an attendant in a car park years ago handing out tickets because the machine had broken. 'Ere', he said, 'yer can't beat a yooman being'. He was wiser than he perhaps realised.

Any - Driverless Cars ? - bolt

I may be a Luddite but whatever the advances in computer science, I don't believe that computers will ever supersede the human brain. However sophisticated, they still have to be programmed in the way that the human brain does not

The bit about programming is the bit they are trying to get away from, check out Google working on machine learning,NASnet. instead of the machine(computer) being programmed by a human, it will be designed and programmed by another machine which is capable of doing far more than we could do

they are going to have problems in that its difficult not to build a biased system,but this is what they hope to use in future autonamous cars, self learning computer systems, bearing in mind Google are doing a fair bit in this dept for other companies afaia

I`ve only mentioned a small part of what they are doing,but its easier to read it than explain

for some reason they are pushing harder than most in this dept?

ps not many believe it will happen, but who knows?

Any - Driverless Cars ? - 57Rebel

Driverless cars are nothing new. There's a car park full in front of me now!

Any - Driverless Cars ? - SteVee

It's not the 'computing' element that worries me here - I think the algorithms can be built and that there is sufficient compute power available in a car.

It's the sensor / actuator sets that worry me, and this is why I picked the robotised gearbox as an example in an earlier post. These are full of sensors and actuators - typically quite simple in each case. On a new vehicle they work just fine, but when a sensor or actuator doesn't work properly and the software attempts to work around the problem then the gearbox doesn't do what's expected, and fixing it appears to be beyond most service centres.

Just look at the problems in the aircraft industry - which has had autopilots for decades, and has an excellent maintenance culture. The cockpit crew needs constant training and there is a growing impression that the systems are getting too complex to understand - in both a static and dynamic sense.

Any - Driverless Cars ? - bolt

It's the sensor / actuator sets that worry me, and this is why I picked the robotised gearbox as an example in an earlier post. These are full of sensors and actuators

I think where hybrids are concerned gearboxs will dissapear, using the motors to do all the work, Honda and Toyota are working on this now, I know next years Accord hybrid has a 2 motor system as Toyota have, but without a gearbox which is being advertised allready

Any - Driverless Cars ? - Terry W

Those who believe computers unlikely to ever overtake human capabilites are welcome to their views but should just look at what has changed over a single generation: 25-40 years

- I have world wide communication for data, social and technical exchange

-- for £60 I can buy a sat nav which will pinpoint my position to within a few meters

- I can buy more computing power for £5 than powered the first lunar mission.

- I can watch 100 or more channels through internet TV - most repeats and rubbish

- I can select and compare and book holidays, hotels, flights, hire cars on line

- I can play games on line (although I don't bother)

- I can shop and bnk on line if I chooose

- I can order in take away food which I do very occassionally

There is plenty to list which have the potential to become very negative outcomes - eg today there is some reporting of killer autonomous drones capable of being used by terrorist groups.

I can do all this from a fit in the pocket smartphone costing a couple of pints of beer a month. This would have been impossible or require a national defence budget and a dedicated facility to house and power the kit only 25-30 years ago.

Assuming that at no point in the future will some computers out perfom the human brain and reactions is in my opinion utterly complacent. As far as drriveless vehicles is concerned it is only when, not if or never!

Any - Driverless Cars ? - Avant

Agreed, Terry - all these things have come about comparatively recently - but notice that all of your bullet points have 'I' as the subject of the sentence. That means that you yourself initiate all these processes, and quite rightly so.

You're the one who wants to do these things, and the computer technology is making it much easier and quicker for you. My point was that the human brain will always be the initiator, and also the one that reacts, and decides, for example, whether you like the TV channel you've found, or whether the take-away food is the same as what you ordered. That's what I can't envisage the computer taking over altogether.

Any - Driverless Cars ? - Terry W

Agreed, Terry - all these things have come about comparatively recently - but notice that all of your bullet points have 'I' as the subject of the sentence. That means that you yourself initiate all these processes, and quite rightly so.

You're the one who wants to do these things, and the computer technology is making it much easier and quicker for you. My point was that the human brain will always be the initiator, and also the one that reacts, and decides, for example, whether you like the TV channel you've found, or whether the take-away food is the same as what you ordered. That's what I can't envisage the computer taking over altogether.

I decide when and where I want to go. I can change mid journey and redefine a new journey. I can leave the car to decide the best route or instruct it to use certain roads.

I then let the machine do the job I have asked - no conflicts there at all. Indeed it may even be an advantage as the car will consistently monitor traffic and adverse weather reports etc to ensure I get to my destination as quickly and safely as possible - or alert me to make a decision where there is a conflict.

Any - Driverless Cars ? - bolt

My point was that the human brain will always be the initiator

If cars become self aware, the brain won`t have a lot to do with it, problem is- now we have autonamous cars it wont stop there as computer/software engineers will allways want better, and as the tech is getting better, it allows for faster electronics.

never ending story that will not go away now we have some of it in place...

Any - Driverless Cars ? - focussed

I was looking for something else and came across this report of a minor accident involving an autonomous (self-driving?) vehicle.

Less than one hour after hitting the streets, a self-driving shuttle in Las Vegas was involved in a minor accident. The shuttle, which holds eight people, is operated by the AAA and Keolis and was on a test run in the Fremont East Innovation District. Fortunately for autonomous vehicles everywhere, the shuttle was not at fault. Instead, it was struck by a semi-truck backing up, injuring no one.

The Las Vegas shuttle has the ability to avoid obstacles in its path and quickly stop as necessary, though it lacks the ability to move out of the way if something like, say, a truck were to approach. Passengers reported feelings of fear and frustration at the shuttle’s inability to move out of the way.

www.allaboutcircuits.com/news/what-some-big-cities.../

Any - Driverless Cars ? - bolt

I think there has been more than one occasion of close shaves, both have had trucks reverse across there paths which makes it truck driver error, had it had a normal driver they would have had some choice words for the truck driver for not checking mirrors properly...

Any - Driverless Cars ? - gordonbennet

I think there has been more than one occasion of close shaves, both have had trucks reverse across there paths which makes it truck driver error, had it had a normal driver they would have had some choice words for the truck driver for not checking mirrors properly...

The human driver would always (well most of us) be looking for the signs of something out of the ordinary, doing so is what helps keep us out of trouble on the road for years on end, we're always in the 'what if' frame of mind and looking for the escape route, something the machine can't possibly be programmed to copy due to the incalcuble variations of possible scenarios.

In some ways i hope they hurry up and get on with fully automating vehicles, then this doomed and dangerous idea can prove its folly and be chucked in the bin where it belongs before too many of the things are out there and so much money invested (wasted) that they dare not change course.

Edited by gordonbennet on 03/12/2017 at 07:03

Any - Driverless Cars ? - Andrew-T

<< In some ways i hope they hurry up and get on with fully automating vehicles, then this doomed and dangerous idea can prove its folly and be chucked in the bin where it belongs before too many of the things are out there and so much money invested (wasted) that they dare not change course >>

It may indicate my age, but I agree with you, GB. When I used to work (a long time ago) it was in designing small business databases. One of my 'clients' who had been around for many years commented "no-one knows what they want until they've got one", meaning that the end-user can't imagine all the possibly useful features and doesn't know the scope of what can be provided; and the designer can't build in all the tricks which the client may think of later.

I worry that driverless cars will have the same difficulties, but on a more serious level.

Any - Driverless Cars ? - bolt

<< In some ways i hope they hurry up and get on with fully automating vehicles, then this doomed and dangerous idea can prove its folly and be chucked in the bin where it belongs before too many of the things are out there and so much money invested (wasted) that they dare not change course >>

It may indicate my age, but I agree with you, GB. When I used to work (a long time ago) it was in designing small business databases. One of my 'clients' who had been around for many years commented "no-one knows what they want until they've got one", meaning that the end-user can't imagine all the possibly useful features and doesn't know the scope of what can be provided; and the designer can't build in all the tricks which the client may think of later.

I worry that driverless cars will have the same difficulties, but on a more serious level.

I don`t know anyone that wants one, most I speak to say they are surprised more is not spent on lowering emisions, which could be done and quicker than developing autonomous cars

and now they are at last getting somewhere with graphene batteries, electric cars should have better range with faster charge rates (the best idea imo) I think most people want to drive themselves, not be driven!

 

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