What's changed? - jamie745

I started driving in 2002 and even since then I think much has changed on the roads. Journey times have slowed, sometimes intentionally by 'traffic calming measures' which has to be the most ironic term in modern motoring. There's definately more cars on the road and probably the biggest change has been the amount of cyclists. I went through my lessons and tests in summer/autumn time and hardly saw any. Now it's almost impossible just to get to the shop without seeing at least one.

What's changed since you started driving?

What's changed? - RT

Red flag - driving licence - VED - speed limits - it's all new !!

What's changed? - Bromptonaut

Passed my test in 1977 at 17yrs 5months.

Obviously the roads are far busier but the change is gradual. Some roads are now far better. Leeds to Scarborough no longer involves going through Tadcaster, York and then Malton; each a bottleneck.

The one thing I notice is Sunday traffic in provincial towns. When we moved to Northampton in 1990 you could nip through town on a Sunday in minutes - likle a ghost town. Nowadays, unless you're out on dot of ten it's as bad as Saturdays.

Agree about cyclists too. In Central London usage has doubled at least since the turn of the century.

Yay, we have critical mass!!!

Drivers have to take notice . It's brilliant.

What's changed? - jamie745

Hopefully soon the 'Olympics bounce' will end and we'll see less cyclists around, if the Olympics even had anything to do with the increase. My guess is insurance for 18 year olds and the price of petrol has more to do with it.

What's changed? - Bromptonaut

Hopefully soon the 'Olympics bounce' will end and we'll see less cyclists around, if the Olympics even had anything to do with the increase. My guess is insurance for 18 year olds and the price of petrol has more to do with it.

In London it's simply a realisation that cycling is quick, effective and far cheaper than bus or tube. Even an expensive bike pays for itself in under a year.

Country cyclists round home don't look like younguns either. Mostly guys from 35-60.

What's changed? - jamie745

Cycling is quick in London because London has gone out of it's way to cut the legs off the car. You can gerrymander anything to achieve what you want. London generally is a horrible place and fortunately only find myself there once every few years.

Most of the cyclists I see are young folk, never read the highway code, no road sense, usually wearing a hoodie with a pasty wedged in their gob.

What's changed? - barney100

Cars are much better, the tin worm is not the menace it was. 'Traffic calming' now is a farce, speed cameras are everywhere, when I started seat belts were just coming in. electronic ignition, catalysts, discs all round, thats all come in with improvements in reliability. fuel was and is expensive in real terms.

What's changed? - jamie745

In 2002 your typical used purchase was a mid 90s Mondeo or something. You'd be amazed what you could come home with for £4k these days.

What's changed? - Bromptonaut

In 2002 your typical used purchase was a mid 90s Mondeo or something. You'd be amazed what you could come home with for £4k these days.

True dat and some. Further back still we paid £7,500 in 1993 for 91/H BX Diesel Estate. Lovely car for it's time and an until 2005 but you'd get more for same cash now never mind real terms money.

Edited by Bromptonaut on 20/02/2013 at 16:48

What's changed? - unthrottled

Is it the world that has change or me?! I think that people are driving more slowly than when I first started driving, but it might be simpy that I was a nervous new driver and consequently everything seemed faster.

On a single carriage road, the slow driver effectively sets the standard (though that doesn't stop you 'blaming' the car directly in front of you even though it's not his fault!).

What's changed? - Dutchie

True some people are driving slower,may due to fuel cost which keep going up and up.

In 5th or 6th gear at low speed.

What's changed? - thunderbird

Passed test in 1974.

At the time I earned about £28 a week as an appentice.

First car was Ford Anglia, cost £80, just under 3 weeks wage. I would guess that most teenagers first cars cost well over 3 weeks wages today but in fairness the Anglia would be considered a deathtrap and would not be allowed on the road.

Insurance was £28.20 for the year, found the original cover note the other week. Bet any 17 year old wishes they could insure their first car for a weeks wage.

Petrol was about £0.40 a gallon, £0.088 a litre. Based on what our apprentices are paid petrol is probably double in real terms today compared to 1974.

Road were no where near as busy.

There were lots of bikes and more people rode them to work then than do today in our part of the country.

There are more pot holes in the roads now, if the Anglia had hit one it would have disintegrated.

Best time for me in my motoring past was the mid to late 80's. I could afford a decent motor (had 2 Golf GTI's), the roads were still relatively traffic free and there were no cameras. Could do a 70 mile trip on single carriageway A roads to Cadwell park in 55 minutes on a Sunday morning. No way now.

And the worst change. The drivers who refuse to drive at anywhere near the legal limit in good cars on good roads in good conditions (their choice which I respect) but amongst them are a minority (ever increasing unfortunately) who, when you overtake them they honk, close up any gap to prevent you pulling in or even try to drive you off the road. Take them off the road and it would be a better place for all.

What's changed? - jamie745

Apprentice wage today is about £100 a week. With Insurance probably taking up more than half the yearly wage I don't think motoring is an option for apprentices these days.

What's changed? - thunderbird

Apprentice wage today is about £100 a week. With Insurance probably taking up more than half the yearly wage I don't think motoring is an option for apprentices these days.

Both of our current apprentices drive but are paid more than that. Back in about 1997 our apprentices were getting about £70 a week, problem was when you paid that level of wages you never got good candidates applying thus very few made good qualified staff. It was money wasted.

Think one of our current people paid just over £1000 for his first year, more than the car cost.

Edited by thunderbird on 20/02/2013 at 17:31

What's changed? - jamie745

Well it's a well known fact that people put in very little effort if they don't think they'll get anything out of what they're doing.

What's changed? - Oli rag

What's changed?

On a cold morning, fiddling with the manual choke knob is something I don't miss. How lucky we are now to have reliable, electronically controlled, cold start mechanisms.

Turning the key and being rewarded with an almost instant start alongside a very regular and consistent idle is something we take for granted these days.

What's changed? - spring

What's good:

You can't get away with forcing a bit of lino between the tyre and the tube to keep it going longer. Naughty and dangerous but common in my early (1950's) driving days.

You can't put 4 kids on the back seat on top of all the camping gear and with no restraints. And you can' t reach behind to slap them for fighting while you're driving because the seat belt won't allow it.

It isn't the norm to sneak home from the pub knowing you are probably not really fit to drive and also knowing that you can probably fox the bobby unless you are 'falling over' drunk.

You can't drive at whatever speed you fancy knowing that it is most unlikely you'll be spotted by a jam jar - and even if you are, you probably saw him first.

Cars that are infinitely more reliable.

What's bad:

Shorter tempers, more aggression, deliberately exaggerating minor damage, over-complicated motors that I can't fettle, no give and take over parking rules, insurance settlements, minor infringements.

I'd call it a no-score draw.

cheers colin s

What's changed? - John Boy

Seat belts.

I often didn't wear mine, but I put it on one day when I was being tailgated. A few miles down the road, I went round a bend into a village and stopped behind a lorry, which was waiting for oncoming traffic. Unfortunately, the next car round the bend (no longer the tailgater) didn't stop and we were concertinered into the back of the lorry. Both cars were written off, but we escaped with just seatbelt injuries ie cracked ribs. That was painful, but much better than visiting the windscreen and the lorry chassis which ended up about 1 foot away.

What's changed? - Andrew-T

Exhausts are much less smelly - it's unusual to notice anything other than a diesel in need of a service. In the old days every petrol engine left an aroma behind. Mostly thanks to ECU-controlled injection systems and cat-converters.

But much of the improvement in fuel efficiency has been cancelled out by adding about 50% to a vehicle's weight with safety devices and other nice-to-haves like air-con. Though the extra bulk of those is only partly responsible for the 21st-century obesity epidemic in cars.

Edited by Andrew-T on 20/02/2013 at 20:34

What's changed? - craig-pd130

Exhausts are much less smelly - it's unusual to notice anything other than a diesel in need of a service. In the old days every petrol engine left an aroma behind. Mostly thanks to ECU-controlled injection systems and cat-converters.

Ha, very true, it's quite evocative to follow a an older carburetted car (or classic bike) these days. On Sunday I was passed by a bloke on a nice-looking TR6 (the single-carb version of the Bonneville, he'd obviously put a spoonful of 'R' in his fuel as it smelt gorgeous.

What's changed? - TeeCee

Exhausts are much less smelly - it's unusual to notice anything other than a diesel in need of a service.

Actually I rather miss the old "burned petrol with a hint of oil" smell. The new petrol smell (innocuous metallic with the odd added waft of Hydrogen Sulphide) is now drowned out by the gut-wrenching, vile stench of burned diesel that pervades the world.

This has made sitting in traffic far worse than it ever was. You now have a simple choice of either vents on recirc and suffocate or vents on "fresh" and gassed by the oil-burners.

What's changed? - Avant

I passed my test in January 1966 - longer ago than most if not all of you - and I was reading this thread agreeing with most of it.....but then Olirag's post made me think - although lots of things have changed, some for the better, some for the worse - actually some things haven't.

"On a cold morning, fiddling with the manual choke knob is something I don't miss. How lucky we are now to have reliable, electronically controlled, cold start mechanisms.

Turning the key and being rewarded with an almost instant start alongside a very regular and consistent idle is something we take for granted these days."

Olirag, was it a Ford, Vauxhall or Hillman you suffered from? I passed my test in my mum's newish Morris 1100 - first time every time and the manual choke worked perfectly. It was the same with my first car in 1969 - a 14-year-old Austin A50. Wind forward, and the same goes, as one would expect, from my newish Skoda and 12-year-old BMW Z3.

A few days ago I had time to drive in the country lanes just north of the A31 between Farnham and Alton. I was brought up in that area and it was definitely 'memory lane' - not least because, just the same as 40+ years ago, I drove for about 10 miles and hardly saw another car. Sure, there's much more traffic now, but they still stick to the main roads.

And I still enjoy driving. That hasn't changed either.

What's changed? - FP

"I passed my test in January 1966 - longer ago than most if not all of you..."

Me - 1962, Avant, you whipper-snapper!

What's changed? - Collos25

"I passed my test in January 1966 - longer ago than most if not all of you..."

Me - 1962, Avant, you whipper-snapper!

Novenber 1965 I suppose I am just a whipper-snapper

What's changed? - TeeCee

Biggest change for me was the installation of the M25 multilane car park. They've been adding additional parking spaces to it ever since.

Also speed cameras. I used to commute around the North Circular Road every morning and that was nose-to-tail 60+ mph all the way at the time(!) I knew quite a few people who refeused to go near the thing out of abject terror.

What's changed? - Sofa Spud

Since 2002 I don't think much has changed regarding the general impression of driving.

Going back to 1972, when I passed my test, I'm still surprised about how little has changed. Cars have evolved and lots of new roads have been built, but the roads seemed just as busy then, even if they weren't statistically.

Diesel cars were almost unheard of in 1972, and most delivery vans were petrol powered too. The 4-speed gearbox was almost universal on manual cars, while automatics were as common then as they are now, I reckon. A large proportion of vehicles on the road were made by British owned manufacturers. Now there are none apart from the occasional classic car or Morgan.

Re cyclists - there were a lot more children sho cycled on the roads in the 1970's, I seem to remember.

Also, farm tractors usually travelled at about 10-15 mph on the roads, compared to the monsters that travel for miles at 30-35 mph. The faster tractors mean there are fewer safe overtaking opportunities, but it's not quite so bad to be stuck behind one!

Edited by Sofa Spud on 21/02/2013 at 11:23

What's changed? - Sofa Spud

QUOTE:..""Also speed cameras. I used to commute around the North Circular Road every morning and that was nose-to-tail 60+ mph all the way at the time(!) I knew quite a few people who refeused to go near the thing out of abject terror.""

The North Circular was notorious. You could only be a safe driver on it if you knew exactly where you wanted to go and which lane you needed to be in. So anyone new to the North Circular was potentially a danger because of the way everyone else drove. I don't know if it's still like that.

What's changed? - Ethan Edwards

Ooh since 1980....Jimmy Savilles no longer clunking and clicking whilst tousling the hair of a small child...

There are far more vehicles on the road and people have gotten mean. But if I had to pick one big difference it's Her Maj's Gov't (and local authorities) have imposed draconian penalties for piffling transgressions and increasingly viewed the motoring public as a massive revenue stream of easy pickings. Parking Gruppenfuhrers ..yes I mean you mate.

What's changed? - Ed V

I think I recall petrol at 6/6 a gallon (33p), same as a single, and more than 20 No 6.

I think we more mature drivers would be absolutely amazed were we to re-drive in the cars of the 70s or even 80s. We take the vehicle improvements for granted, whereas mostly it's typrewriters versus smart phones.

I'd guess the average modern transit van is quieter and more comfortable than a Jag from the 1960s.

What's changed? - madf

I think I recall petrol at 6/6 a gallon (33p), same as a single, and more than 20 No 6.

I think we more mature drivers would be absolutely amazed were we to re-drive in the cars of the 70s or even 80s. We take the vehicle improvements for granted, whereas mostly it's typrewriters versus smart phones.

I'd guess the average modern transit van is quieter and more comfortable than a Jag from the 1960s.

Agreed

Just the far fewer rusty or very smokey cars on the road says it all. (MB and Ford excepted.

And no more flat batteries on cold mornings..

)

What's changed? - jamie745

Ah I'm feeling rather young right about now.

I do think cars are more reliable now, even if Avant didn't have problems back in the middle ages. I suppose the difference is we expect - and demand - our cars to work 100% of the time these days where as in the 1960s, the odd breakdown was deemed acceptable.

What's changed? - Andrew-T

Diesel cars were almost unheard of in 1972, and most delivery vans were petrol powered too. The 4-speed gearbox was almost universal on manual cars, while automatics were as common then as they are now, I reckon. A large proportion of vehicles on the road were made by British owned manufacturers.

What a lot of fogeys we all are - I passed my test in 1962 and my wife, being quicker off the mark, passed in 1959.

By 1972 the 5-speed gearbox was spreading - the Maxi appeared in 1969 (with that terrible cable-shift) and I don't think it was alone. I owned several, and by the time I had moved on in the early 80s it had become clear that the Maxi had been ahead of its time. Peugeot soon perfected the 5-speed hatch, and the Fiesta was almost a clone.

What's changed? - focussed

I started driving for a living in 1971 and had to often go to, around, and through London to reach my customers, approaching from the north and very often using the north circular.

Those were the days when in the 1300 escort provided by one's employer one just drove flat-out everywhere and nobody bothered you if you looked roughly as if you knew what you were doing.

I did get stopped by the the fuzz and boll**ked a couple of times on the NC - once for sneaking into a right turn only lane at TL's when I was going ahead (just trying to make progress officer, 'cos I's in a hurry to get to my customer - Oh ok but don't let me see you doing that again!) and amazingly one time when I was dawdling about not quite knowing where I was going.( you can't drive that that around here lad - get a b***** move on or I'll nick you for obstruction if I catch you pi**ing about like that again, you'll get in someone's way and cause an accident)

Yes - those were the days when you got a bo**ocking for not getting a move on!

What's changed? - jamie745

In 2013 you get a £60 tax and 3 points on your licence for not quite slowing down fast enough upon entering a 30 limit with nothing on the road.

What's changed? - Bromptonaut

In 2013 you get a £60 tax and 3 points on your licence for not quite slowing down fast enough upon entering a 30 limit with nothing on the road.

In 1969 you got a fine and endorsement for same offence. Only differnce was that you were stopped by the Polixce at time and case went to court.

They were often on the A658 by Leeds Airport. The houses on the NW end of the airfield had been demolished for the new runway which then ended at the road (it's since been extended). There was however still a 30 limit starting at the airport access road. Traffic flying up from Pool on main road then 70 limit invariably failed to slow and pinged the radar trap.

Nothing changed at all.

What's changed? - Dutchie

My first driving lesson was in 1967 in a VW Beetle in R/Dam south.

The driving instructor was getting on a bit very relaxed and easy going chap.Second lesson he directed me on the motorway and told me get a move on.You neede to in a Beetle not a quick car.

The change for me is the density of traffic not enough road and to many cars.Driving standard in the UK in general good in my opinion.

What's changed? - galileo

Passed my test in 1961, I and most of my friends either drove old cars (which you could buy for about £20, road tax £12 10 s, 3rd party insurance about £15 - 20 a year) or had the luxury of borrrowing Dad's car. Petrol was about 4s (20p) a gallon..

No breathalyser, no parking meters, no revenue cameras, just needed to watch for police patrols (more of them about).

No seatbelts or airbags either. In the space of 3 years, of my circle of friends and acquaintances (maybe 25 to 30 people) 2 were killed and 8 injured in accidents. 4 cars written off, another half dozen minor 'damage only' bumps (one mine, on black ice!)

With the rose coloured view of nostalgia, there was less congestion and surfaces seemed in better repair, driving was more relaxed and more of a pleasure.

What's changed? - Andrew-T

... , just needed to watch for police patrols (more of them about).

And if you were an AA member the patrolman (bike) would warn you by not saluting ...

Edited by Andrew-T on 22/02/2013 at 15:41

What's changed? - concrete

Passed my test in 1967. 6 lessons in a Vauxhall Viva at 17/6 each (87p) then the test, which was £1. Passed first time thanks to forward thinking boss who allowed the apprentices to put 'L' plates on the company vans get some practice. The day after my test I got a company van and had to pick up people on the way to work. Fantastic. The secret of a good start in cold weather was to pull the choke out full when parking for the night, let it idle until it stuttered then switch off. The carburretor was then full of petrol ready for the morning start. Just had to remember not to touch the accelerator pedal until the engine fired. Worked every time. Also newspapers over the windscreen, so no scraping off frost.

First car, a 2 year old Mini for £175 and insurance was £15 per year and petrol was about 4/6 to 5/- (22p-25p) per gallon. Driving sure has changed, roads are far busier but cars are far better. The price of progress is constant change. Some enjoyable stories in this thread, thanks jamie. cheers Concrete

What's changed? - peg

Everythings changed.

Passed test in 1959, taught myself to drive in 1938 Austin 8 then had a few lessons in Morris Minor and took test in that.. Lived in a village so removed L plates to drive Barnsley and had lesson prior to test in Driving school car.

IN THE 60s you could drive anywhere and park almost where you chose but you didn't get anywhere fast as the cars wern't built for speed.

You could maintain your cars as they were lacking electronics and the mechanicals reasonably simple but not that reliable so you were always under the bonnet.

We also had winters to contend with but narrow tyres and 2bags of coal and a shovel in the boot and you got through as there were very few parked and abandond cars around. t

The roads were free of potholes and speed humps, traffic engineering not invented etc. In other words motoring was enjoyable and less stressful than todays rat race but I still enjoy getting around and can still keep up with the flow(now in more powerful and comfortable vehicle), also pay for maintenance

What's changed? - John F

The inability to make fast progress on single carriageway A roads. In 1967 it was rare to follow a 40mph HGV for any distance before being able to overtake it.

The plethora of fast cars with stupidly large bodies and engines. Virtually no European cars, not even Jaguar or Rolls-Bentleys, had V8s in 1967.

What's changed? - galileo

The inability to make fast progress on single carriageway A roads. In 1967 it was rare to follow a 40mph HGV for any distance before being able to overtake it.

The plethora of fast cars with stupidly large bodies and engines. Virtually no European cars, not even Jaguar or Rolls-Bentleys, had V8s in 1967.

With due respect, S2 Bentleys and the equivalent R-R model had 6.23 litre V8 engines from 1960.

Daimler Majestics had 4.5 litre V8s too from early 60s,Jensen CV8 and Interceptor used Chrysler 6.25 litre engines, as did the Facel Vegas.

So there were European fast V8's, I used to read the road tests with envy, being unable to think of owning any (unless I got 8 draws on the Pools).

What's changed? - madf

European V8s

Add: Daimler 250

Mercedes 600, and others

errr...

What's changed? - John F

Apologies, galileo - I'm a decade too late. Even so, you rarely actually saw a V8 car in the 60s. The most likely one was probably the American Buick derivative in a Rover.

What's changed? - smallcar

Passed my test in 1987 but was a bit of a car nut through my teenage years in late 70s and early 80s.. So these thoughts are from then.

Things I've noticed:

1. A larger proportion of younger/middle aged people driving "expensive" late model cars nowadays...the young family out and about in an Audi Q7 or X5 type...I remember (and this could be part of growing up in rural West country and then now living in London) quite well off people/families driving more ordinary cars (or at least older cars) eg Peugeot 504s,Vauxhall Victors, Volvo estates of various vintages in the 1970s and 80s, etc etc.. Perhaps there was fewer choices of expensive cars?

2. cars being alot more strained and noisier at motorway speeds especially for cars below about 2 litres - I remember the revelation of going on a German exchange at school and being driven about on the autobahn by the family in a Merc doing about 90-100 miles an hour and thinking that it was just amazing to be going that fast (and realising how quiet it was relatively to my Dad's cortina).

3. Commercial vehicles being quite a bit slower than most cars eg vans and delivery lorries - slowing on hills and away from traffic lights. Nowadays they seem to shift more than most cars.

4. Many fewer women driving and certainly not driving big cars.

5. Compared to the early 90s and now - many fewer men in the office talking about cars all the time eg what they drive, what they want to drive, what they've seen recently, what's cool....A sense that for a younger generation they've replaced wanting to own a car/get a better car/talk about cars with other things eg smartphones, internet, etc.

6. Now It being less of a talking point if someone who could afford a car doesn't or has never learnt to drive. (this is probably a London thing).