Improving driving standards - scot22

I often read threads which criticise driving examples. Often these develop on how standards might be improved. One thing I learned from becoming a member of the IAM is the need to keep looking at driving skills.

I would be very interested to hear the views of professional drivers ( obviously others as well ) on how they stay safe on the roads. One aspect is of particular interest to me and that is how they maintain concentration for long hours. What effect does the intake of food and hydration have on this ?

What are people's priorities when they are driving ?

Please, let's focus on positive views, not criticism of differing groups of drivers.

Edited by scot22 on 26/04/2015 at 22:55

Improving driving standards - RobJP

I'm not a professional driver any more due to a change in career, however my essential bits from when I was :

Be well rested, check your vehicle before you start.

Ensure you stop for breaks, KNOW your route (or have it all set up before you start).

Keep journeys realistic.

Speeding is tiring and stressful, and will save you virtually nothing in journey times.

Lastly (and this is a biggie, in my opinion) : remember, it isn't personal.

I still drive for work a fair bit as well as personal mileage, regularly making trips down to Surrey from North Wales for work. My longest day of driving ever is 680 miles (to Pitlochry in the Highlands and back).

Improving driving standards - gordonbennet

Interesting thread this could be.

First and foremost no matter how good you think you are, you need a certain amount of luck to stay accident free year after year, we all make mistakes and we all know in our hearts that if the circumstances when we made those mistakes been slightly different the outcome could have been disastrous...those who think that by skill alone they avoid problems are deluding themselves.

What do i do? take my time it's not a race, if you're late don't rush that's fatal, don't let other's idiocy/bullying/aggression/timidity annoy, leave a suitable braking distance for piece of mind and to make life easier, windows and mirrors spotlessly clean and adjusted and used, all round observation, vehicle in good condition clean and pleasant to be in, use indicators properly and exercise lane control, brake gently, use speed appropriately, learn the vehicle it's strong and weak points, learn its handling and driving characteristics without the electronics driving it for you (when it all goes pear shaped they are about as much use as a chocolate teapot), use road knowledge and maps not an electronic toy to route find, lastly take a pride in doing the job as well as you can.

As someone who drives(ish) for a living, having had some of the worse in the past and in later years the better terms and conditions in the industry concentrates the mind wonderfully, a job worth keeping usually leads to more care and attention, everyone's a winner...non vocational drivers will see the results every day even if they don't realise which surprisingly high profile companies pay so badly their staff are regularly working 60/70 hours for a standard week's pay.

Refreshments, plan suitable breaks in the route and start out that bit earlier, i like a short break en route in the mornings, preferably to include a sausage and bacon roll and latte at a Greggs (other refreshment establishments are available) at a half way point.

Improving driving standards - scot22

Thanks both of you for very valuable posts : exactly what I was hoping for. I think it can be useful to take the time to reflect on things when thoughts are not unduly influenced by reacting to a situation.

Improving driving standards - Wackyracer

I can only really reflect what the others have said. Driving for a living I have never worried about being late (there is always an excuse for that). No point in speeding or driving flat out, you dont get there any faster but, you will be more tired.

Sensibly spaced breaks and sometimes timed to miss rush hour traffic in certain areas.

I always carry some food and water just incase.

As GB has pointed out, spotless glass and mirrors is a must.

Improving driving standards - doctorchris

Well I was never really a professional driver. I was a GP who drove to make home visits but most of my mileage was and is for my own purposes.

Despite this I have 3 ideas to contribute to this thread.

1) Second only to the influence of drugs and alcohol, loss of emotional control seems a major cause of poor driving and accidents. Monitor your emotional state whilst driving and amend it or stop and rest.

2) You can always drive better than you are. Be constantly self-critical, be prepared to admit to your faults and amend them.

3) Never drive onto a section of the road that you cannot see, or are not confident that you would be able to come to a halt in time on the unseen road. Drivers who clip the corner off turning right at junctions, drivers on narrow roads and those overtaking take note.

Improving driving standards - ExA35Owner

One from my grandfather - who I never knew but was reputedly a good driver, and as Procurator Fiscal dealt with the aftermath of collisions: "Always assume the other man is a bigger fool than you are."

My contribution: if traffic gets difficult, or you are having navigation problems, switch off the radio and get your passengers to stop talking, since the fewer distractions the better.

Improving driving standards - slkfanboy

Buy a big old motor and never wash it. When driving never gain eye contact and never indicate keep em guess and they stay out your way.

The last time someone hit me was a 8 month pregant woman attempting to go right from the left hand lane of 4 lanes ( i.e. she was in lane marked left only).

Improving driving standards - skidpan

My contribution: if traffic gets difficult, or you are having navigation problems, switch off the radio.

But the radio is very useful in diffcult traffic since it can allert you to the reason and allow you to take a alterntive route.

The last time someone hit me was a 8 month pregant woman attempting to go right from the left hand lane of 4 lanes ( i.e. she was in lane marked left only).

The last bad accident I witnessed involved a heavily pregnant girl who was driving far to fast on a twisty 50 mph limit road that was wet and covered in leaves (mid November). There have been 3 fatalities on that piece of road in the last 11 years. She lost control and managed to spin between me and the van following me (we were going in the opposite direction - she missed both of us) and then collided with the wall on the opposite side of the road. The car eventually came to rest as a smoking and steaming wreck in the middle of the road with the radiator about 30 feet further up the road.

What ammazed me was the number of cars that drove across the wreckage before the emergency services arrive and closed the road. I wonder how any got punctures later that day.

Improving driving standards - scot22

Reading the wisdom on these posts I know the roads would be much better and safer places if all drivers put it into practice.

We do need to be in a good physical and mental state to drive, too often this is not the case.

We need to be able to recognise our own shortcomings and strive to improve.

We need to be considerate.

We need to keep our vehicles in very good condition.

All of the advice given (apart from one piece of irony re signals) contributes to better driving - thanks.

I was horified last week to read of a driver killed in a fatal accident driving back from a speed awareness course. He was texting at the time : unbelievable but true.

I do wonder what effect the overcrowding on the roads has. With more space would road behaviour be more civilised ?

Thanks again everyone - I have found the posts very useful.

Improving driving standards - alan1302

I do wonder what effect the overcrowding on the roads has. With more space would road behaviour be more civilised ?

I think it would cerainly help. The volume of traffic does seem to get people more uptight/annoyed.

Improving driving standards - Trilogy

One from my grandfather - who I never knew but was reputedly a good driver, and as Procurator Fiscal dealt with the aftermath of collisions: "Always assume the other man is a bigger fool than you are."

My contribution: if traffic gets difficult, or you are having navigation problems, switch off the radio and get your passengers to stop talking, since the fewer distractions the better.

And if you having a coversation on a hands free phone, end it.

Also, if another driver annoys you or is complete numpty don't let it get to you. If it does, stop somewhere and get some fresh air. deep breaths and calm down.

Edited by Trilogy on 29/04/2015 at 21:24

Improving driving standards - Avant

Good thread - thanks Scot for starting it.

I was never a professional driver but for many years of my career I did 20,000+ business miles a year. My strongest thought on this is that you drive much better if you're not in a hurry.

Difficult always to achieve this, but it's worth a try, often simply by leaving more time (say, half as much again) than you think you need.

Improving driving standards - Smileyman

I've rarely been one to go on a 'sunday drive' 'just because I can' - for me driving is a means of transport to get from place A to place B, with the journey being the necessary evil not the unexpected pleasure. So, anything that makes the jouney take longer is viewed unfavourably.

But this does not mean I should suffer discomfort in the process, I do try to avoid driving tired, unduly hungry / thirsty / wanting a wee (as I get older I notice this more!) or in a way that will get others photographic evidence that I was there. Anyway, speed is a balance between safety, journey time and the fuel cost v mph. Also important is a good temperature, using heating / airconditoning or even the open sunroof all contribute here. (Pity I cannot get a warm feet/cool face set up like used to be available years ago). If on a longer journey I will plan a stop en route, and wash my face with water, it's a great refresher. I do like to listen to the radio, or the cd player, with a 6 disc system and a random option this gives a varied play list.

Safe arrival is of course the overiding aim, but a nice relaxed drive, hopefully with the cruise control (taking the pressure off the right foot) set to a fair speed for the road and conditions and no holdups. I'm not a great fan for letting people in, especially slower moving vehicles, unless there is a safety need to do so. I nearly always indicate and do use lane 1 if it is free and safe to do so - sometimes even when there is someone parked in lane 3.

If I do need to go slowly, eg looking for somewhere I am mindful of other road users and will pull over / pull in if safe to do so so that I don't unduly impeed the flow of traffic.

Edited by Smileyman on 27/04/2015 at 22:07

Improving driving standards - scot22

Consideration for other road users has come through strongly. I wonder what that will be like over the Bank Holiday ( or any other days really ).

One practise I find valuable is to do a commentary on my driving ( in my head if my wife is in the car ) I think this strengthens concentration and encourages anticipation.

Improving driving standards - Sofa Spud

A good piece of advice for people who are tempted to speed on winding roads:

"Imagine meeting yourself coming the other way"

Improving driving standards - Avant

Or even 'imagine meeting your wife/husband/partner coming the other way'.

Improving driving standards - madf

The best lesson I have ever had was advice to look ahead and anticipate.

Avoided loads of issues like that, driving becomes more interesting and less stressful..

As far as driving on twisty country roads, I assume that there is a speeding muppet around teh next blind corner. So far I've met three in the past 2 years: one motorbike, one Audi and a BMW.. I doubt if any are alive now... it was on the notorious and very dangerous Leek to Buxton road. All on the wrong side of the road and the bike one doing at least 70mph - the Audi probably more..

Improving driving standards - Andrew-T

I doubt if any are alive now... it was on the notorious and very dangerous Leek to Buxton road. All on the wrong side of the road and the bike one doing at least 70mph - the Audi probably more..

Bikers love the Buxton to Macc road. Quite a few years ago I happened along it just after one had come to grief. The cops have to divert traffic onto the old road to protect the ambulance crews while they sort things out - several miles detour.

Improving driving standards - slkfanboy

I just consider speed as lack of care when driving. When the speed limit was 70mph is was safe on the roads. Thats because a sign saying 30mph or 50mph in no way refects if it's safe to drive at those speeds. On a clear road with good light,good weather,good road surface and able to clear see sufficient road a head i am happy to do a little over the speed limit. Change any one parameter and I would reduce speed as necessary.

Turning into robots simply following signs is not the way forward, better inform and able drivers is.

Improving driving standards - Trilogy

The best lesson I have ever had was advice to look ahead and anticipate.

Avoided loads of issues like that, driving becomes more interesting and less stressful..

As far as driving on twisty country roads, I assume that there is a speeding muppet around teh next blind corner. So far I've met three in the past 2 years: one motorbike, one Audi and a BMW.. I doubt if any are alive now... it was on the notorious and very dangerous Leek to Buxton road. All on the wrong side of the road and the bike one doing at least 70mph - the Audi probably more..

Leek to Buxton is I belive just about the most dangerous road in UK. Sometimes being on the wrong side of the road can be good, we just have to decide when that is. Just because there is a dotted line down the middle of the road, it doesn't mean you mustn't cross it, when it can be used to your advantage.

Improving driving standards - Trilogy

Couldn't edit above hence this post.

madf, your first comment is brilliant advice, something IAM drivers are reminded about/taught. I remember Steve Cropley of Car magazine fame and more recently Autocar said looking ahead is about the best advice he has ever been given. Yes, read the road looking as far ahead as possible ahead. You can see problems well before many others.

Whenever I turn off a road I naturally look behind to see what is there. Especially if it is an HGV I endeavour to give as much notice as possible of my intention. Then the HGV driver has the opportunity to react accordingly, slowing down so he/she can reduce the chance of having to bring their vehicle to stand still. This of course increases traffic flow, reduces fuel consumption and I believe is much appreciated by these professional drivers. gordon bennet?

Improving driving standards - gordonbennet

When we say professional we use the term loosely..:-)

Yes please, decent road positioning and sensible indication of intention make all of our road lives infintely better.

It's funny but you can often tell from a long way off what sort of driver is heading your way, it's got to the point now that if someone indicates properly enabling me to maintain progress that i raise my hand in thanks or some other form of thanks...not many times a day does my hand get raised...and i'm not alone, had waves of acknowledgments from other drivers in all classes of vehicles when all i've done is indicate and possibly give the old fashioned hand signal confirming a left turn.

I wouldn't mind but it costs nothing to be courteous, one doesn't lose their alpha male status or any other rubbish like that with a display of basic manners, for crying out loud why do some people not know the words hello or thankyou any more.

Far observation is critical to good and economic driving, it also makes for smoother and far faster progress.

You don't see it terribly often any more but isn't it a real pleasure to watch (and wonderful to follow) a good competent and couteous driver doing their thing, whether it's overtaking, parking or that silky smooth negotiation of a series of bends junctions etc, barely touching the brakes and using the vehicles momentum with minimal acceleration and always in the correct gear.

Edited by gordonbennet on 29/04/2015 at 22:26

Improving driving standards - Trilogy

And seeing an artic driver reverse into a narrow road. A work of art.

Improving driving standards - Snakey

Common sense seems to have gone out the window on the roads these days. Simply things like queuing in turn cause idiotic reactions.

When a lane is closed on the motorway you're supposed to use both lanes up to the restriction and then merge in turn. But a vast majority get in the inside lane way too early and do their damn best to stop anyone getting 'in front' of them! Hence a long single file queue.

Being aware - when stopped at a red light some people seem to switch off completely. Once the lights are green they still haven't selected a gear - this is basic stuff!

I would also like to see consideration between motorists - after all, we're all in the same position trying to do the same thing. I would also like to see some consideration to all motorists by those who plan and implement roadworks etc - some of their activities cause more stress than anything else.