Selecting a parking space - Waino
This evening, as a special treat, I took SWMBO to the cinema - it was that one about Idi Amin - as they'd say round here ''e wuz a rum ol' boy'. The car park opposite the cinema was 98% empty so I selected a spot that left a vacant space between our car and the ones either side. I went to check if there was any parking charge, and as I returned to the car, a woman squeezed her new BMW into the space next to me. She had some difficulty in getting out of the car, as did SWMBO in getting into our car when we returned. But - why do they always do it when there loads and loads of vacant spaces. What is the psychology behind it?

Conversely, a few years ago, I remember a report that found that when men select a urinal they, wherever possible, left a spare space between themselves and the next man. Whilst the psychologists looked for a deep meaning, I concluded that it was simply to get more elbow-room. So, why can't car parkers automatically try to leave a space for door opening?

Or ..... is it a man/woman thing?
Selecting a parking space - OldHand
My own feeling is that sadly people are basically stupid which is why they decide to park as you suggest. Either that or she clocked you as people who wouldn't damage her pride and joy if the place filled up.

As for the urinal thing I leave space to compensate for the poor aim of others!
Selecting a parking space - oldtoffee
When I park my car I don't park it in a space surrounded by empty spaces - who knows who could turn up, park next to me and fling their doors open with gay abandon? IMO avoid getting close with Rover 200s, Daewoo Nexias, late 80's and early 90's 4 cylinder 3 series. Spend a minute driving round and put it next to a Lexus, Jag or Honda.
Selecting a parking space - barchettaman
As a special treat, I park the Astra as far away from other cars as possible in any given mass-parking situation to stop the numptys dinging our doors when they park next to me. SWMBO loves it - not.
Selecting a parking space - AlastairW
Many people (not just females) cannot park straight in a car park bay without another vehicle to line up with,
Selecting a parking space - MagDrop
Yes, why do they do this? I?ve got replacement hipjoints and need to open my car door as wide as possible to get in and out. Because the marked out parking spaces in this country seem designed for Triumph Heralds and bubble-cars I purposely park well away from other cars, even going up several floors in our local car park until I can do this. Inevitably when I get back to the car some twit has parked right next to me making getting in difficult.

The same multi-storey has one floor at the same level as the shops. I often see people spend ages trying to get into impossible spaces with giant urban assault vehicles. Totally uncaring about causing queues of other cars trying to get into the park. All just to save a few seconds on the stairs or in the lift.

Some weeks ago I was waiting for SWMBO in said park. In the parking lane opposite was the only other car on the floor, a Mk3 Golf. Enter a large brand new Jeep driven by Mr Priggy Pinstripe. He parks with his left door almost touching the Golf driver?s mirror. He?s about to flounce off when Mrs Golf appears and asks ?How am I supposed to get in my car?? ?There?s another door isn?t there?? he says, and legs it to the accompaniment of (probably accurate) descriptions of his parentage from Mrs G. She gets into the driving seat with the aid of some contortionary tricks via the passenger door and drives off shaking her head to me. Re-enter Mr PP who examines his car?s left flanks in great detail and is about to get in when I also tell him what I think about his manners, and expressed the hope that any scratches weren?t too negligible. Needless to say an altercation resulted.
Selecting a parking space - drbe
In the heady days, soon after the purchase of a new car, I too, make a point of parking in the furthermost corner of the car park, preferably with at least one flank being up against the boundary wall or curb.

What happens? That's right, the brainless ones will seek me out and park next to me - is it the flies and honey pot syndrome?

With reference to the urinal scenario, much research has been carried out in this field. The optimum is an odd number of urinal bowls. Each male - if he chooses carefully - can pick a bowl with a vacant bowl next to his. This will avoid being seen to choose a bowl next to one which is occupied and any intentions being inadvertantly misinterpreted.
Selecting a parking space - L'escargot
My preferred parking slot is one which

(a) Is at the end of a row, preferably with one side shielded by a wall or a hedge etc.
(b) Enables me to park with the front of my car shielded as in (a)
(c) If (a) and/or (b) are not available then a slot which is as far away from other vehicles as possible, or at least has empty slots either side
(d) Is not next to a vehicle which has been left with the front wheels turned at a large angle
(e) Is not next to a vehicle which has visible accident damage
(f) Is not next to a vehicle which encroaches on the vacant slot
(g) Is not next to a vehicle which has large ground clearance and/or large doors with sharp outwardly-turned lower corners

I think the fact that there after three years there is still no parking damage on my car indicates the prudence of my choosiness.
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Selecting a parking space - Cliff Pope
I use the L'escargot system too.

Back to urinals - theories are fine for explaining behaviour as the positions are occupied - but isn't it embarassing if suddenly all the others clear, and you are left standing next to the only other bloke in a row of eight? Instinct is to shuffle along one, but probably not advisable. (Motoring relevance - you can read the car hire advert)
Selecting a parking space - Mad Maxy
I think the fact that there after three years there is
still no parking damage on my car indicates the prudence of
my choosiness.
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L'escargot.

Are you ever able to get parked up, L'escargot? This is/would be my basic strategy but most times I am unable to employ it. But I am very fussy about parking equidistant from the adjacent cars and parallel to the bay markings.

I suspect that in car parks with plenty of empty spaces, people just like to make up a nice big block of parked cars. I'm wary of parking i some remote part of a (?dark) car park sice doing so and having my motor broken into some years back.

Now, the folk posting replies here are like-minded 'why do they do that?' types. I want to hear from the 'close means comfort' (or whatever) people. Come on, tell us why you do it.
Selecting a parking space - sierraman
I like to find two that are vacant,end to end.I can then drive through and avoid reversing in or out.
Selecting a parking space - Altea Ego
Re the empty car park.

I am a Londoner, born bred and experienced. Its pretty crowded on the roads and in the car parks down here. I can spot the single empty space in a car park of thousands from two miles away. This explains why, when I get to an empty car park, I get instantly confused. My brain goes to mush and the inability to make a rational choice sweeps over me. It has been known for a TVM car to straddle three spaces in an otherwise empty car park.

Re the urinals., I a;lways choose one with space on either side. Too many times men have turned to me and said "Hey aint you the famous TVM?" < TVM looks down at his now sodden shoes >
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Selecting a parking space - Hamsafar
I used to park at the empty end of car parks, to return to a banger parked either side.
Nowadays, I tend to pick end spaces, or park next to nice cars that look as though the owner wouldn't bang their door on mine. I don't park next to cars in poor condition or ones with chips on the edges of doors where they have banged walls etc... I also don't park next to ones with baby seats, or that look a tip inside.
Selecting a parking space - Brian Tryzers
I'd always choose to park between two tidily-parked, clean, smallish cars, reasoning that the greatest likelihood of damage to my car is someone carelessly parking next to it. If the neighbours have reversed in, so much the better, since reversing in is so much easier than reversing out. (The safety-mad managers of the National Grid building I used to work in even introduced a site policy to make nose-out parking compulsory, which might have been overdoing it slightly.)
Selecting a parking space - Peter D
In some states and locations in the US nose out parking is compulsary, Fixed Penalty Fine applies. North Carolina sea front parking is one or was if south Carolina. Friend done for it last year. Regards Peter
Selecting a parking space - Brian Tryzers
In some states and locations in the US nose out parking is compulsary...


OTOH, I remember seeing a sign in a car park in Staunton, Virginia that said 'Do not back into parking spaces'. (I have a photo of the sign and a brown car backed into a space right next to it.) I presumed at the time that this was because many cars in the US have a number (sorry, 'license') plate only at the back and, US policemen being the shape many are, they wanted all the cars in a row parked the same way so they could check numbers without having to squeeze through to look at the other end!
Selecting a parking space - Bill Payer
In some states and locations in the US nose out parking
is compulsary, Fixed Penalty Fine applies. North Carolina sea front parking
is one or was if south Carolina. Friend done for it
last year. Regards Peter

Careful! We were told off in Florida for nose out parking, it's because the cars there don't have front licence plates, so have to be parked showing their rear licence plate.
Selecting a parking space - Bill Payer
The clustering or cars in remote parts of car parks is astonishing.

I was on a trip last year and arrived pretty early and spotted a nearby Tesco, so I parked in a remote corner of its gigantic car park while I ate my sandwiches, and I realised that around me were various (generally very new) cars.

I was confused about this, because the car park was split in two by a service road so we were basicially at the far side of the far car park! We really were so far from the shop that I couldn't believe people would park there. Low and behold shopper after shopper came back to their p&j trundling a Tesco trolley.
Selecting a parking space - Robbie
The clustering or cars in remote parts of car parks is
astonishing.
I was on a trip last year and arrived pretty early
and spotted a nearby Tesco, so I parked in a remote
corner of its gigantic car park while I ate my sandwiches,
and I realised that around me were various (generally very new)
cars.
I was confused about this, because the car park was split
in two by a service road so we were basicially at
the far side of the far car park! We really
were so far from the shop that I couldn't believe people
would park there. Low and behold shopper after shopper came
back to their p&j trundling a Tesco trolley.


Could have been mine there.

My last car had dents everywhere as a result of careless parkers. Since I've had my new Honda I park in the remotest part of Tesco's car park and straddle a dividing line. Hardly any other cars around, and a long walk to the store entrance, but, touch wood, no marks after over two years.

I never visit when it's likely to be busy.
Selecting a parking space - ForumNeedsModerating
I try to follow the 'best practice' regimes of several of the previous posters, with the general priciples of: furthest away from exit/entry point, abutted by wall/fence, and/or next to a well-cared for car if necessary. Despite my best efforts, I tend to be a banger-magnet
too..ho-hum.

One incident, that still raises my blood pressure is one occasion when an elderly-ish bloke in an absolutely ragged Freelander (dents,scratches, wing mirror hanging off etc.) tried to 'manoeuvre' his supermarket trolley betwwen my car & another, to save carrying his shopping 2metres. He pushed the trolley between the 'wing mirror gap' & was stuck, but continued to try and push & bang his way through. I was standing 1metre away.

How I summoned the Ghandi-like composure in the face of such idiotic behaviour & provocation I stll marvel at. In measured, but insistent tones, I enquired what his game was. He then launched into a tirade at me!!! 'It's only a car, what's the problem...etc, blah..'

Well, dear readers, I went through all the risk/reward/outcome analysis in 2-3 seconds & only my desire not to get a criminal record for assault swayed the outcome. I simply walked away. If I'd said anything, or engaged, I know fisticuffs would have followed from me.

Regarding the urinal 'shoulder surfing' debate, having previously lived for many years in Brighton, the trials & conundrums of other posters are well known to me, but magnified many fold. Since urinals in said place are also 'entertainment' venues for a certain section, my priority, if having to use one , was in & out as quickly as possible (no pun intended) whilst all the time maintaining a straight ahead gaze. The absolute worst scenario was if 'flow' was not immediate, (cold day, full bladder whatever) which meant a more prolonged stay, with just silence & shuffling all around.
Selecting a parking space - Waino
Yes, I too try to follow the best practices outlined above - though this is not always easy in a supermarket car park that is 90% full.

In the original post, I was specifically observing behaviour in a large municipal car park that was 98% empty. I just wonder if it's down to a very basic 'safety in numbers' instinct - like herding in wildebeests (sorry, Will) or shoaling in certain fish species.
Selecting a parking space - Big Bad Dave
Must be human nature because it's not limited to car parks. Happens in cinemas, happens on picnics, happens in bookshops, happens in supermarkets. You find a nice quiet place with your trolley while the wife is off looking for margerine and before you know it ten people suddenly desperately want the obscure sauces and pickles right behind you.

I reckon it dates back to thousands of years ago when we shared the earth with dinosaurs and found safety in numbers.
Selecting a parking space - Big Bad Dave
Or maybe they just like to park in clusters to spread out the chances of a break-in.

I often park with other groups of cars if I'm hesitant about the parking restrictions, not in car parks but around town.
Selecting a parking space - Cliff Pope
It would be a bit difficult to define nose-in or out in the usual double-row type of car park, because people can drive in, or out, through the other row..

There's a hidden penalty in parking next to a small car, in the belief one is achieving more space. They can be the very drivers who are the most careless with their doors. In between two vans with sliding doors might be the optimum position.
Selecting a parking space - Bill Payer
It would be a bit difficult to define nose-in or out in the usual double-row type of car park, because people can
drive in, or out, through the other row..

That's exactly what I did (drive through a double row). However you can't (in Florida) leave the car in this. In practice it doesn't make sense in a UK supermarket car park either, because it then makes it awkward to load shopping into the boot.
Selecting a parking space - paulb {P}
You find a nice quiet place with your trolley while
the wife is off looking for margerine and before you know
it ten people suddenly desperately want the obscure sauces and pickles
right behind you.


Good example, Dave, but I would submit that the effect is even more noticeable when you go into any shop with a pushchair containing your offspring. It happens even if you are standing next to a blank wall - people come up and glare at you as if it is somehow their wall and you are In Their Way.

Returning to the original topic, I once parked in a quiet car park in which a few spaces (starting with the one next to mine) had been coned off for some unspecified reason. When I came back I found that a few people had actually moved the cones aside, such was their haste to park next to me. I can only agree that it is some vestige of herding instinct.
Selecting a parking space - mk124
Your a good person for pointing out the person in that Jeep was being a pain.

Your first and middle paragraphs don't make too much sense. Is it not better for these big urban assault vehicles to squeze into the spaces on the lower levels, than to park right beside you on the higher levels where you are.

I do agree that the owners of these big vehicles are being selfish, but that system may be to your advantage.

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Selecting a parking space - mk124
Should have adressed by prevose post to Mag Drop

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Selecting a parking space - CGNorwich
A variation of this occurs in multi stories. Am frequently held up at the local station muti-story by drivers who insist on trying to squeeze in the first available space even though there is a sign on the way in stating there are 450 or so free places .They could simply drive up a level or two and not hold up all those behind them.

Selecting a parking space - Falkirk Bairn
I try to park away from other cars and will select the larger spaces where available.

If the carpark is fairly busy I will still try and the end space in a row (this reduces the chances of door dings by 50%) or reverse into a space where the cars on either side have reversed in as well.

Main rule is never park next to large 4x4 or MPVs - could have many kids, pram etc who could throw doors open or try a squeeze past.

That said my 2 cars still have scars from parking (combined ages =14 yrs) they are to the rest of the world immaculate - until you know where the scars are.
Selecting a parking space - mike hannon
I always thought it was just a French thing. They are naturally gregarious and like to crowd together. I always park as far away from everyone else as possible - thanks to bitter experience - but return to find my car in the middle of a cluster!
I once parked, 20-odd years ago, in the multi-storey opposite the entrance at Gatwick airport for a few hours late one night and made sure I chose the emptiest area. Came back to find it just as empty - and a deep ding in the back door of my lovely Rover SD1...
Selecting a parking space - billy25
As a few of you may recall, i have taken my motor off the road in an attempt to lower my carbon footprint and do my bit to save the world :-)

i do however, sometimes when really stuck, borrow my mates "mank-mobile" (all dents, rust and scratches)to go shopping in, but have absolutely no problems with parking, in fact, as a lot of you have stated, i often return to a busy car-park to find a nice empty space either side, (and yes, i do park prettily between the lines!).
may i suggest that the more discerning of you leave your "pride n joy" at home and buy-borrow a shopping banger like me! :-)

billy
Selecting a parking space - 007
>>(and yes, I do park prettily between the lines!).

The golden rule relating to both of the situations mentioned in the OP was neatly expressed by a notice in one public toilet which I once visited:

' We aim to please, will you aim too please'.
Selecting a parking space - Navara Van man
I always park as close to the entrance as poss, parking further away only gaurantees a long walk and certainly does not preclude someone parking next to you.
Selecting a parking space - PoloGirl
Oh there's a whole Pologirl psychology to this one!

I'll seek a space that is far away from everyone else firstly. It has to be one that I can drive into, as for some reason I have the ability to back out but have never learned how to back in. Even better if I can drive straight through.

Then you have to look at who is around you. Don't park next to any old, dirty or already dented cars - the owner clearly doesn't care about their own car, so why would they care about yours?

Avoid cars with baby seats, those ridiculous Winnie the Pooh blinds or disabled badges as they're going to be flinging their doors open and hitting Gunther. The brilliant exception to this is if the car is one of those MPVs with sliding doors - if the car park is full, seek out one of those as there's no doors to fling.

If the car park is busy, park next to new cars as they're more likely to have careful owners. The exception to this is those that clearly belong to reps (sandwich boxes littering the footwell and notepads a give away) as they are not so likely to care about something that isn't theirs. (Sweeping generalisation, I know...)

If the car park is a bit suspect (badly lit, dodgy area) try and park next to the numpty that has left their sat-nav/laptop/jacket on full view, as that makes your car less likely to get broken into.

Amazingly, I do manage to park when I try!
Selecting a parking space - PhilW
"nose out parking"
My Dad always did this even in an empty car park and when (in my long ago youth) I asked him why he replied "In case the Germans attack". He then added "actually the Germans weren't so bad, it was the American bombers you had to watch out for"
Mind you, this was the same bloke who seemed to spend "his war" riding around various parts of Italy in an American Jeep, a German BMW motorbike ("I only borrowed them"!) and Mussolini's Alfa Romeo .... but that's another story.
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Selecting a parking space - Mookfish
Most of the time if I park with spaces to either side of me this is still the case when I get back.

This must be because my car is covered in dents, has baby seats in the back, the general mess that kids generate, as well as a scrape on the front bumper.

But if you park next to me your car won't get bashed because I do respect other peoples property, also when I have owned better cars people bashing into them used to drive me mad.

Oh and the only damage to the car caused by me is the scrape on the bumper getting it out of a driveway that was about 3 inches wider than the car and out onto a narrow road.

But for dented cars in general I'd avoid parking next to them if mine didn't look a wreck.
Selecting a parking space - Muggy
All this reminds me of something that happened [ not to me! ] at my local Tesco a few months back.

It is a very big one and every 15 or so parking bay pairs have a tree between them. Now, I normally try to park in one of these bays because I know there is no way I'm going to get rammed by someone parking badly in the opposite bay - the tree would get them first!

But that's irrelevant to this: On the occasion in question, someone was parked in one such bay and the opposite bay was empty. I guess the driver was more used to the other 14/15th of the bays and was used to driving through to depart the store instead of reversing out...

Yes, you guessed it.

He went straight into the tree...!!

At least given the distances concerned it isn't really possible to go fast enough to do any real damage other than to his ego...
Selecting a parking space - L'escargot
as for some reason I have the ability to back out
but have never learned how to back in.


That's quite understandable, because it's actually easier that way. Backing in you're going into a confined space but backing out you're going into a large space between the rows and hence you don't need to be so accurate. I go in forwards.
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Selecting a parking space - Cliff Pope
Of course another strategy not so far considered is to deliberately make your own car look like a parking risk to anyone who goes near it.
You could try leaving a small child in front of it, idly playing with a supermarket trolley or spitting gum on the ground.
Selecting a parking space - madf
I just park in an easy to park closest to the exit place. Not at ends where the muppets can crash into you an dtrying to avoid being next to 4x4s or cars woth big doors.

In N Staffordshire/S Cheshire it would appear civilisation still exists (unlike London) cos touch wood no problems in 20 odd years...
madf
Selecting a parking space - Brian Tryzers
> That's quite understandable, because it's actually easier that way.

I disagree, Escargot. Once you put your front (i.e. steering) wheels into the space, your scope for manoeuvre is strictly limited, and you have to contend with the rear wheels trying to follow a tighter line. Not a problem if you can line the car up outside the space, but most parking involves a 90-degree turn in not much more than a car length.

When the time comes to reverse out, you then have to avoid the Jaguar XJ that appeared in the space opposite while you were away, while your front wheels are still stuck between the two immaculate new cars parked either side of yours. ;-) Unless you absolutely have to get a trolley to the boot (and supermarket car parks are some of the tightest of all - which is why I always beg one of my under-6s to come to Sainsbury's with me, so I can use a parent space!) you're almost always saving trouble if you reverse in.
Selecting a parking space - L'escargot
> That's quite understandable, because it's actually easier that way.
I disagree, Escargot.


In that case, chacun a son gout! ;-)
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Selecting a parking space - Mookfish
Of course another strategy not so far considered is to deliberately
make your own car look like a parking risk to anyone
who goes near it.
You could try leaving a small child in front of it,
idly playing with a supermarket trolley or spitting gum on the
ground.

Pretty much what I managed to acheive by buying a beat up car.

Good way to achieve this in a car that is cared for would be those baby on board/princess on board/dad's taxi signs in the back window in such a way that they seriously obstruct your view, see plenty like this and I did avoid parking near them in my previous car (15 year old renault with immaculate bodywork)
Selecting a parking space - DP
There's a very battered Land Rover Discovery in the station car park every day that always has three spaces to itself without fail!

Cheers
DP
Selecting a parking space - L'escargot
Nothing to do with selecting a parking space, but I found that my first two cars which were dark green and dark blue respectively got far more damage in carparks than subsequent cars which were (intentionally) a brighter colour.
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