Who cares about his driving?
"Lawley, a heroin addict, said he had been convicted of 140 car thefts, four street robberies, six burglaries, one charge of possessing drugs and one of arson."
Oh well, disqualify him from driving then. That'll sort him out. Especially when what he's been charged with is driving when disquailified. He'll OBVIOUSLY respect it.
Un-Be-Lievable.
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>>"Lawley, a heroin addict, said he had been convicted of 140 car thefts, four street robberies, six burglaries, one charge of possessing drugs and one of arson."<<
Seems like he's had enough warnings and it's time for the authorities to get tough on him. He needs an ASBO.
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Seems like he's had enough warnings and it's time for the authorities to get tough on him. He needs an ASBO.
Tempting idea, but still only tackling the symptoms.
The man's addicted to heroin. His system goes crazy without it, so he steals anything he can to pay the criminals who will supply the relatively cheap-to-make product at exorbitant prices.
He could be ASBOed to kingdom come, but as long as he needs a fix, he'll keep on stealing. So he'll be imprisoned for breaching his ASBO, at a cost to the public purse of over £2,000 a month (and he will probably get plenty of smack to feed his habit while he's in there).
So why not remove the criminality? Decriminalise heroin so he doesn't have to rob half the countryside to pay for it, or give him free methadone (like used to be done before 1970), or lock him in detox until he's off the stuff. Then, if needs be, electronically tag him in case he goes near a car again -- but hopefully he'll be stuck at home, high as a kite. (My local junkies only venture out for their evening robbery spree)
A waste of a life, sure. But at least it's be a waste that's much less destructive and expensive for everyone else.
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I'm normally quite good at detecting your sarcasm NW but I can't see any in your post.
Please tell me you weren't being serious.
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Please tell me you weren't being serious.
Sorry, I'm absolutely serious. Criminalising drug use has been a failure wherever it's been tried, and public policy is now caught in a daft half-way house which cures neither the addiction nor the symptoms. (My local police are far less polite about the mess).
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I realise we're dangerously close to getting the thread locked so I'll make this my only post on the matter (which has the added bonus of me not having to answer your counter-argument ;-))
Criminalising the "soft" drugs may be right or wrong. There is a fine line. You won't find much support suggesting the decriminalisation of heroin. Even if to do so would ease the problem.
This'll get deleted (probably rightly so) but at least you'll get chance to see it first.
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>>He needs an ASBO.
>Tempting idea, but still only tackling the symptoms.
A bit like speed cameras eh?
>So he'll be imprisoned for breaching his ASBO,..over £2,000 a month..
10 years hard labour, chain-gang road repair if necessary (motoring link). Make him earn his keep.
>So why not remove the criminality?
Why am I not surprised that you would consider such a clueless proposal to be a solution?
Kevin...
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Good idea, give him the good stuff and he'll probably do us all a favour and overdose. Only stupid people take heroin so they aren't going to be a great loss. I'd expect driving standards to improve as more of the stupid people take themselves out of the gene pool and there is more room on the roads for us with a brain :-) Heroin is also a drug of choice for the chav population so the number of hideous looking saxos and novas should also reduce if they're six foot under too. Can't go wrong with it really! I knew I could get this back to motoring if I tried hard enough ;-)
teabelly
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Hang on NW, you're not Richard Brunstrom are you?! You consider speeding a great crime but it's ok to legalise drugs and decriminalise something a significant chunk of society chooses to do, just like exceeding the speed limit which a bigger chunk of society chooses to do :-)
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You consider speeding a great crime but it's ok to legalise drugs and decriminalise something a significant chunk of society chooses to do, just like exceeding the speed limit which a bigger chunk of society chooses to do :-)
Speeding is dangerous and a menace to others: we disagree abt how dangerous and how much of a menace, and whether it's always a menace ... but this guy doing drugs harms only himself. He can take half a ton of smack, and nobody else gets hurt solely by the drug-taking.
Unfortunately, the law insists that his only source of supply is criminals whose high prices he can pay only through more crime: 140 car thefts, four street robberies, six burglaries, etc.
Get rid of the drug-related crime, and we'd have thousands of police freed up to mount traffic patrols, as most backroomers rightly want.
Kevin says he thinks this is a "clueless proposal": take a look at a longer explanation of the arguments, e.g. at www.economist.com/surveys/displaystory.cfm?story_i...1
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Speeding is dangerous and a menace to others:
Yet it only irritated one person in Poll 38:
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?v=e&t=31...0
Not pointing any fingers, I hope you understand.
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>> Speeding is dangerous and a menace to others: Yet it only irritated one person in Poll 38:
DD, try re-reading the poll question.
The thread was entitled "What irritates you?", but the actual poll question was rather different: "What's the most irritating thing a fellow driver can do?"
To which one vote went for speeding alone, but 15% went for "all of the above".
Not pointing any fingers, I hope you understand.
Well, given the actual question, my vote was for tailgating.
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I cannot see at all how speeding could annoy another person...unless of course I ran over you.
Let's say we're on a motorway. You're doing 70 in the middle lane. I go past at 85. What's the problem?
Let's say we're on a country road. Huge open road - you're doing 60 - I overtake at 70.
A 40mph road. I'm in front of you doing 50. Why would that bother you?
Irritating? If I complete the manoeuvre safely then I don't see why.
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Worst offender perhaps. Not necessarily the worst driver.
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May not be much use in this case, but I support the idea of permanent disqualification from driving on psychological grounds.
After all, if licences can be taken away from epileptics, diabetics and people with poor eyesight, surely the same sanction should be available against people who have demonstrated themselves to be a menace behind the wheel through their behaviour.
Also, many people have given up learning to drive after failing several tests, possibly through nerves. Yet these people, had they passed, might have made safer drivers than others who passed first time and then threw away the rule book.
Back to the case in question: If guilty: jail, followed by ASBO plus lifetime ban from driving!
Cheers, Sofa Spud
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I?m normally quite liberal, tolerant and open-minded but I?d happily execute scum like this. He must have caused misery for hundreds of people.
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I?m normally quite liberal, tolerant and open-minded but I?d happily execute scum like this. He must have caused misery for hundreds of people.
You get my vote if you run for PM man.
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