Small rust repair - fiesta man
Hi,

I'm new to the concept of rust on my car, but sadly have a small patch to deal with. It's on the front outside edge of a rear arch and has been caused by debrix from the front wheels travelling down the side of car until it hits something that stands proud. Anyhow the paint chipped of slightly previously, and despite cleaning then touching up, it seems the rust has spread under the paint and now the affected area is about 4inch x 1inch.

The car has a standard primer, base, lacquer paint system, so presumably a standard off the shelf matched spray can will do the job. The question I need answered is what's the best way to cut the existing paint back and how should the rusted area be treated (mild surface rust) to mimimise the chances of the rust re-occuring.

All help appreciated.

Thanks,

Fiestaman
Small rust repair - frostbite
I would use Loctite Rust Remedy to treat the surface and IIRC it also acts as a primer.

But do follow the instructions regarding non-metallic container carefully.
Small rust repair - pastyman
Hi Fiestaman,

If you have access to something like a dremel multitool with a small flapsander wheel, this is excellent for small areas of surface rust, this will get it back to shiny base metal, then a coat of hammerit rust cure and the surface is ready to start painting on. Obviously on such a wide area, you would need to feather the edges as you would be using aerosols and would be building the paint surface up.
On the subject of paints, halfords do a very good range of paints, definately worth a try.

Pastyman........
Small rust repair - Dynamic Dave

Here's a few suggestions from a recent thread:-

www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=18230

Small rust repair - Sooty Tailpipes
Scratch and sand all loose paint and rust off, and sand to silver shiny metal until this borders all rust damage (ie none is creeping under paint you're leaving)

Warm the metal at this time of year with a heat gun on low or a hairdryer, but not a flame as this will condense moisture and leave deposits.

I have then found that if you smear the brown metal with cyanocrylate superglue, with your finger, a chemical reaction will ocurr, your finger will get a bit messy, and hot, and it will give off cyanide, but some sort of chemical reaction takes place, keep your finger moving, as it bonds skin and eyes in seconds! Smooth the glue over the damaged metal, and all the pitting and rust residue will go black and rock hard, and be sealed in, the superglue normally uses moisture in the air to cure, so any in the rust will be drawn out during the reaction.

You can then rub it smooth with sandpaper, prime and paint.
Use plenty of primer, as with aerosols, this is what you should consider the barrier coat, the colour coat is very thin and porous (too much solvent so you get a better finish at low pressure low volume), so is just for cosmetic effect.
Small rust repair - edlithgow

Most peoples vehicles will be WAY too shiny for this trick, but it might be useful to someone.

Unusually for a Taiwan car, my (1986) Daihatsu Skywing has almost Scottish levels of corrosion, probably because a previous owner was a surfer

I sprayed the underside with a diesel/oil mix to slow it down some. For the topsides, I've cleaned up the rust patches with crumpled aluminium foil as an abrasive pad, used wet with sunflower oil. Rust, old paint/primer, and aluminium flakes form a protective paste which can look rather like a metallic primer. If you clean it up first, the aluminium content of the paste is higher and it looks more like primer.

Ordinary sunflower oil takes a long time to set, and I don’t know if it would ever be a suitable base for a “proper” paint job, since I’m not interested in cosmetics.

Boiled linseed oil would set quicker, or one could use superglue, as described above. A pre-clean with foil and phosphoric acid (Coca Cola?) might also be worthwhile.

I think one might be able to get the veg oil to "set" quicker by adding an oxidising agent (eg hydrogen peroxide or potassium permangenate) but I havn't tried that either, not having needed to.

Exciting pictures. See pseudo-paint dry!

Large rust-patch on the tailgate

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Deep pitting next to the window seal

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Should have done a before and after, but if you don't know what a rusty car looks like, you probably don't need to.

I should mention that on some of the rust patches (I think maybe the pitting one shown above, but I'm not sure now) I used a short section of aluminium tubing (bit of old TV aerial) packed with foil, in a power-drill chuck, as an initial clean-up tool, followed by the oil-foil.

You might also try an aluminium roofing nail in a drill or Dremel. I'm thinking the chuck would grip the nail at the pointy end and the head form a little grinding disk. I can't try that here because I don't know where to get them, but IIRC B+Q (and probably builders merchants) had them loose in the UK.

Beer cans are usually made of aluminium. Combined with the right size rawl-bolt, they're good for power-abrading larger areas of rust.

You can, for example, roll some of the can tightly to form a rod using the steel tube of the rawl-bolt as a holder. Since that has splits, you might be able to make a flap-wheel, though I havn't tried that yet.

You can use the bolt (with bigger washers) through the centre of the cut off base of the can, which forms a cup shaped abrader. ( This fatigues quickly and comes loose, so its especially important to protect your hands, arm and face with this configuration, though eye protection is crucial with any configuration.)

You can flatten the whole can, punch a hole through the middle, and mount it on the bolt (with a few others, depending how much thread you've got) as a grinding disk.

Zinc or aluminium paint usually specifies sand blasted (or very thoroughly wheel abraded) steel to ensure electrical contact and cathodic protection, which isn't very practical for most of us. The rationale with this cheapo punk version is that, by using the the aluminium itself as an abrasive, it is forced into intimate microcopic contact with the steel where its scraped off on it. Its to some extent self-regulating, since rusty metal is pitted, and hence rougher, and so tends to acquire more aluminium. It wont get deep into pits like sandblasting, but its not bad.