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It is possible that the hid bulbs are faulty.They do deteriorate with age,and usually give a light blue light rather than white.Unfortunately they can only be tested by substitution,and also there are a lot of fake "branded" bulbs out there.hth
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Forgot to mention if the car did not have these headlamps fitted from new it will be good way for an eagle eyed MOT tester to give a fail certificate.
Not if the installation meets the other requirements, ie headlamp washers and some form of levelling.
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You should read and digest the latest MOT papers it states that original equipment must be present and workng ,this appears to be some type of bodge upgrade a certain MOT failure.
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The MoT prevents ANY upgrade on the grounds it's not original ?
Are you serious?
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That would mean you're not alowed to use pattern parts as they aren't original?
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You should read and digest the latest MOT papers it states that original equipment must be present and workng ,this appears to be some type of bodge upgrade a certain MOT failure.
Not true. Read it again. It says headlamp washers and levellers must work if fitted. It says nothing about them having to be fitted.
Current MOT manual Section 1.7:
Vehicles equipped with High Intensity Discharge
(HID) or LED dipped beam headlamps may be fitted
with headlamp washers and a suspension or
headlamp self levelling system.
Where such systems are fitted, they must work;
however, it is accepted that it may not be possible
to readily determine the functioning of self levelling
systems. In such cases, the benefit of the doubt
must be given.
Headlamp washers may work in conjunction with
the windscreen washers (when the dipped beam
headlamps are switched on) or by a separate
switch.
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Forgot to mention if the car did not have these headlamps fitted from new it will be good way for an eagle eyed MOT tester to give a fail certificate.
There is absolutely nothing in the MOT whatsoever to fail aftermarket xenons.
In fact, it is more likely factory fitted ones would fail as the associated bits have to work if fitted but don't need to be fitted.
All they have to do is pass the beam pattern and aim test - exactly the same as halogens do.
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Forgot to mention if the car did not have these headlamps fitted from new it will be good way for an eagle eyed MOT tester to give a fail certificate.
There is absolutely nothing in the MOT whatsoever to fail aftermarket xenons.
In fact, it is more likely factory fitted ones would fail as the associated bits have to work if fitted but don't need to be fitted.
All they have to do is pass the beam pattern and aim test - exactly the same as halogens do.
They must also NOW have the levelling and washers fitted/working - something that some aftermarket fitments don't include.
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Forgot to mention if the car did not have these headlamps fitted from new it will be good way for an eagle eyed MOT tester to give a fail certificate.
There is absolutely nothing in the MOT whatsoever to fail aftermarket xenons.
In fact, it is more likely factory fitted ones would fail as the associated bits have to work if fitted but don't need to be fitted.
All they have to do is pass the beam pattern and aim test - exactly the same as halogens do.
They must also NOW have the levelling and washers fitted/working - something that some aftermarket fitments don't include.
No, they do not. I posted the part from the current MOT manual above. IF they have washers and levellers fitted they must work. There is no requirement that they ARE fitted.
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Construction & Use Regulations specify that where HIDs are fitted, then levelling and washers must also be fitted. The reference is obscure because it's a link reference to EU Directives.
It matters not whether that's factory-fitted or aftermarket.
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It only applies to vehicle's manufactured after a certain date that they must be fitted with headlamp washers.
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Construction & Use Regulations specify that where HIDs are fitted, then levelling and washers must also be fitted. The reference is obscure because it's a link reference to EU Directives.
It matters not whether that's factory-fitted or aftermarket.
Construction and Use and MOT are not the same. They are not needed for a MOT period. Even construction and use seems to have loopholes as there are some cars out there (often Renaults) which have factory xenons and no levellers or washers.
What WILL fail an MOT is aftermarket xenons which do not have the correct beam pattern. This often happens if you put a D2S type bulb into a reflector (as opposed to projector) housing.
I agree the legality of (particularly non-CE marked) after market kits are questionable but they do not, at the moment, effect the MOT.
Washers etc. are not required below a certain lumens. I don't know the number but expect to see more xenon equipped cars without washers and levellers soon.
Edited by pd on 22/11/2013 at 16:43
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Construction and Use and MOT are not the same. They are not needed for a MOT period. Even construction and use seems to have loopholes as there are some cars out there (often Renaults) which have factory xenons and no levellers or washers.
What WILL fail an MOT is aftermarket xenons which do not have the correct beam pattern. This often happens if you put a D2S type bulb into a reflector (as opposed to projector) housing.
I agree the legality of (particularly non-CE marked) after market kits are questionable but they do not, at the moment, effect the MOT.
Washers etc. are not required below a certain lumens. I don't know the number but expect to see more xenon equipped cars without washers and levellers soon.
At last, a sensible reply!
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Oh yes there is its not under anything to do with headlights its how the vehicle left the factory ie was a DPF originally fitted read properly and you might learn.
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Oh yes there is its not under anything to do with headlights its how the vehicle left the factory ie was a DPF originally fitted read properly and you might learn.
Where? And there is no requirement for a DPF on a car. It is not in the test. There is a requirement that a cat on a petrol car is fitted if in the age range to have one.
There may be future proposals to put it in - but it isn't there at the moment and cars without a DPF which had one will still pass.
Edited by pd on 22/11/2013 at 13:25
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You think what you want you quite plainly have not read the scope of the MOT even Wikipedia comments on it you obviously do not want to read what does not suite you.
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You think what you want you quite plainly have not read the scope of the MOT even Wikipedia comments on it you obviously do not want to read what does not suite you.
I'm quite happy to learn. I've got the MOT (April 2013 is the current one) manual in front of me, and the VOSA operating manual, if you can tell me what page what you refer to is on I will be more than happy to take a look and be corrected.
MOT testers tend to use the current VOSA issued MOT manual rather than Wikipedia.
Edited by pd on 23/11/2013 at 13:20
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there is no requirement for a DPF on a car.
I appreciate that this thread was originally about Xenon lamps but I feel I must the correct the above nonsense.
Cars are type approved before they can be sold and for Euro 4 some diesel cars needed DPF's to comply with the emissions rules. For Euro 5 ALL diesel cars MUST be fitted with a DPF before they can be registered. It has been illegal to register a new diesel car anywhere in the EU from 01 January 2011 unless it complied with Euro 5 and thus had a DPF.
In the MOT rules it states that all OEM emission equipment must be present and working. This is a grey area and some garages only test what is there and don't give a monkeys about what has been taken off. With a petrol such action would result in an emission test fail but a diesel emission test is less strict thus testers can get away with passing what are strictly speaking illegal cars providing they pass the smoke test.
The MOT autorities really need to get a grip of this situation, it makes a complete mockery of new diesels being fitted with DPF's when owners simply remove them and find a friendly MOT station. There should be spot cheacks and the offending stations closed down and the testers certificates teaken off them.
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he MOT rules it states that all OEM emission equipment must be present and working. This is a grey area and some garages only test what is there and don't give a monkeys about what has been taken off. With a petrol such action would result in an emission test fail but a diesel emission test is less strict thus testers can get away with passing what are strictly speaking illegal cars providing they pass the smoke test.
The MOT autorities really need to get a grip of this situation, it makes a complete mockery of new diesels being fitted with DPF's when owners simply remove them and find a friendly MOT station. There should be spot cheacks and the offending stations closed down and the testers certificates teaken off them.
I was referring to the MOT. Not the requirement regarding new cars. Technically, there isn't such a requirement regarding DPF - only emissions - if a new car can meet them without a DPF or by another device then they're fine. In practice most/all require a DPF.
The current MOT manual does not include a specific check for a DPF. It includes a check for a Catalytic Converter on a petrol car (Section 7.1.3) made after 1993 but there is no specfic reference to a DPF - only that a car must meet the MOT emission which are not the same as EU4/5/6 etc.
There no specific mention of a DPF anywhere in the current MOT manual. It isn't mentioned once. You do not need a "friendly" MOT station for it - they don't check it because it isn't there.
At the moment, a the MOT does not differentiate between an EU2/3/4/5/6 etc. diesel in terms of emissions apart from smoke limits for cars after July 1 2008 are lower.
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I was referring to the MOT. Not the requirement regarding new cars. Technically, there isn't such a requirement regarding DPF - only emissions - if a new car can meet them without a DPF or by another device then they're fine. In practice most/all require a DPF.
Your quote applies to Euro 4 but not to Euro 5. For Euro 5 vehicles it is mandatory for a DPF to be fitted regardless of being able to pass the requirements without one.
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I was referring to the MOT. Not the requirement regarding new cars. Technically, there isn't such a requirement regarding DPF - only emissions - if a new car can meet them without a DPF or by another device then they're fine. In practice most/all require a DPF.
Your quote applies to Euro 4 but not to Euro 5. For Euro 5 vehicles it is mandatory for a DPF to be fitted regardless of being able to pass the requirements without one.
Yes, I'd agree with that. However, even a Euro5 car (and indeed a Euro6) still doesn't need one to pass an MOT.
I suspect this may change at some point with tougher emissions regs on the MOT for newer cars. There isn't a proposal at the moment as far as I know so it won't be for a couple of years at least.
Of course, if they could just make the stupid things so they didn't go wrong in the first place they'd rarrely get removed........
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Of course, if they could just make the stupid things so they didn't go wrong in the first place they'd rarely get removed........
Do DPFs go wrong - or are they unsuitable for the use to which the car is put, in which case they should be buying cars without DPFs, ie petrol.
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Wtf!!
I was asking xenon b***** bulbs NOT exhausts.....keep on topic or dont answer
And as i said at the start, they're the proper xenon lamps, maybe it's cheap Osrams i dont, but they're crap and not worth the fancy price tag
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Wtf!!
I was asking xenon b***** bulbs NOT exhausts.....keep on topic or dont answer
And as i said at the start, they're the proper xenon lamps, maybe it's cheap Osrams i dont, but they're crap and not worth the fancy price tag
Threads drift inevitably, this one into MoT legality.
Oh, it's for the moderators to say what can or cannot be posted!
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"Threads drift inevitably, this one into MoT legality."
Indeed so, as with conversations. No harm in that in the Motoring discussion section, but in this Technical issues section it would be helpful if we could stick to helping the person with the original enquiry. That's what this section is for. If you want to broaden the issue, please start a new thread in Motoring.
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I was under the impression that all cars with xenons had to have auto leveling and washers.
Certainly both my xtrail, and now my CX-5 do.
So why would a company fit something thats not a requirement?
At anyrate the op will have to imform his insurance that a modification has been fitted.
As far as a MOT is concerned i think it depends were you take it for testing, some carry the test out to the letter, some don't.
I believe the washers are required to prevent glare, blinding oncoming traffic may well get you pulled by the man in blue.
Edited by xtrailman on 27/11/2013 at 14:51
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As far as a MOT is concerned i think it depends were you take it for testing, some carry the test out to the letter, some don't.
There you go again, mentioning MOT's.
Sorry, couldn't resist it.
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Were the "projector" headlights of the 75 still normal halogen bulbs? If so, I suspect that as stated above, the beam direction optics (mirros & lenses) are not completely compatible with the directional light output from the bulbs. As a result, the beam is not well focussed and appears dim. Since there doesn't appear to be a market for Rover 75 HID units, I guess these don't exist so my only suggestion would be to try a different make of bulb in the hope that the beam may be better.
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