HGV / Lorry blind spot and higher risk to Cross Overs/MPV/4x4? - - nailit

Having read the article below;

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3513632/Dashcam-c...l

I googled 'blind spot' and was shocked how common this actually is, the point I make for further discussion on (and many will not approve) is; are MPV's/Crossovers etc with a HigherCentre of Gravity at a greater risk? it did put me off purchasing one following an experience to someone I know.

Drive safe.

Edited by nailit on 29/03/2016 at 17:13

HGV / Lorry blind spot and higher risk to Cross Overs/MPV/4x4? - - RT

Having read the article below;

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3513632/Dashcam-c...l

I googled 'blind spot' and was shocked how common this actually is, the point I make for further discussion on (and many will not approve) is; are MPV's/Crossovers etc with a HigherCentre of Gravity at a greater risk? it did put me off purchasing one following an experience to someone I know.

Drive safe.

I fail to see that the link has any connection with MPV/SUV's - the small BMW stayed in another vehicle's blind spot - that's a big no-no in my book, whatever I'm driving or whatever is overtaking.

Move quickly through other vehicle's blind spots, don't sit there - discuss !

HGV / Lorry blind spot and higher risk to Cross Overs/MPV/4x4? - - focussed

Having read the article below;

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3513632/Dashcam-c...l

I googled 'blind spot' and was shocked how common this actually is, the point I make for further discussion on (and many will not approve) is; are MPV's/Crossovers etc with a HigherCentre of Gravity at a greater risk? it did put me off purchasing one following an experience to someone I know.

Drive safe.

I fail to see that the link has any connection with MPV/SUV's - the small BMW stayed in another vehicle's blind spot - that's a big no-no in my book, whatever I'm driving or whatever is overtaking.

Move quickly through other vehicle's blind spots, don't sit there - discuss !

As an ex-instructor I couldn't have put it better myself.

Lesson 2 - use of mirrors- what are blind spots? Where are your blind spots? Where are other vehicles blind spots? Why does driving in another vehicle's blind spot mean you are invisible to the driver of that vehicle?

Hammered home relentlessly on every lesson!

Bit of a hobby horse for me - I ride motorcycles!

HGV / Lorry blind spot and higher risk to Cross Overs/MPV/4x4? - - slkfanboy

I think there was 12 cyclists killed in london due to the same blind spot issue last year alone.

HGV / Lorry blind spot and higher risk to Cross Overs/MPV/4x4? - - nailit

Connection to Higher Center Gravity vehicles, cut and pasted from an earlier note in the thread 'Crossovers';

"The point made here of higher center of gravity has worried me for quite a time, since seeing an accident where a MPV finished on it's roof on the hard shoulder of a dual carriageway. It had just happened and I believe there were no other vehicles involved.

Another not uncommon type of accident is where a LGV cuts back into the inside lane say on a roadworks-speed restricted section, and clips a car unseen by the driver already on the inside lane. This typically can push the car around so that it's at 90 degrees on. Then pushes the car sideways until both eventually stop.

The above happened to someone I know in an estate car and survived, shortly after he was allowed by the Police to carefully drive his estate car home (within the hour), keeping speed down as tyres were scrubbed. Then not far ahead he was stuck in traffic caused by the exact/same type of accident but the car was a Landrover Freelander and it had flipped over and it's driver sadly did not survive.

The Freelander has a higher CoG, again the 'safety' angle worries me, and therefore I would choose a vehicle with a lower CoG, i.e. a 'normal' car etc. Just my opinion, but relatively slow speeds (for a motorway or dual carriageway) say 50 mph accidents can be deadly even with all today's air bags and protection."

Yes keep well clear of their blind spot.

Edited by nailit on 29/03/2016 at 17:47

HGV / Lorry blind spot and higher risk to Cross Overs/MPV/4x4? - - RT

Most SUV's are heavier than estate cars - all things being equal, I'd rather be in a SUV as that seems marginally better odds.

I think blind spot incidents are a much higher cause of accidents that CoG height.

HGV / Lorry blind spot and higher risk to Cross Overs/MPV/4x4? - - Ethan Edwards

Didn't the cyclists just cycle up the inside of the HGV? Ie they were largely the authors of their own misfortune. How many stickers and signs must they have ignored to be so unaware of the perils of their actions. The HGV drivers are not always at fault. When your a slow vulnerable road user it's your own responsibility to watch out for yourself imo. Irrespective of the law. There are plenty of dead cyclists and pedestrians who thought they had absolute right of way.

HGV / Lorry blind spot and higher risk to Cross Overs/MPV/4x4? - - coopshere
I have seen far more serious injury and fatal accidents involving normal saloon/estate cars than crossovers or mpv's, but then again there are more of them. If I was in a head on or partial head on crash I'd rather be in a crossover/MPV than a small saloon or hatchback. All accidents have the potential of becoming serious it's just about the prevailing circumstances at the time.
HGV / Lorry blind spot and higher risk to Cross Overs/MPV/4x4? - - gordonbennet

Let me start my telling you in no uncertain terms, with a modern lorry there is no blind spot, except for the immediate rear of the vehicle where obviously only a rear facing camera could see.

Modern lorries have mirrors that i'd have given my eye teeth for 40 years ago when i first drove an artic, the problem is that too many do not know :-

1. how to set the mirrors so each one overlaps the vision or area covered of the other

2. can be bothered to keep the mirrors and windows clean and clear of rubbish both inside and out

3. how to use them correctly, and actually be bothered to do so

4. the above are called taking a pride in your work

yes it is in the interests of vulnerable road users to use their noddles and not to put themselves in dangers way, but, and i could wax lyrical for hours boring the pants of everyone, i won't, the job of lorry driving has been dumbed down over the last 15 or so years now to the point where any fool can get in a lorry and point it down the road, too much reliance on electronics and not enough emphasis on good old fashioned skill/aptitude/seat of your pants feel...but mainly the job has been cheapened in the now national regime known as race to the bottom, and you know the old saying about paying peanuts.

Edited by gordonbennet on 29/03/2016 at 18:19

HGV / Lorry blind spot and higher risk to Cross Overs/MPV/4x4? - - RT

Let me start my telling you in no uncertain terms, with a modern lorry there is no blind spot, except for the immediate rear of the vehicle where obviously only a rear facing camera could see.

Modern lorries have mirrors that i'd have given my eye teeth for 40 years ago when i first drove an artic, the problem is that too many do not know :-

1. how to set the mirrors so each one overlaps the vision or area covered of the other

2. can be bothered to keep the mirrors and windows clean and clear of rubbish both inside and out

3. how to use them correctly, and actually be bothered to do so

4. the above are called taking a pride in your work

yes it is in the interests of vulnerable road users to use their noddles and not to put themselves in dangers way, but, and i could wax lyrical for hours boring the pants of everyone, i won't, the job of lorry driving has been dumbed down over the last 15 or so years now to the point where any fool can get in a lorry and point it down the road, too much reliance on electronics and not enough emphasis on good old fashioned skill/aptitude/seat of your pants feel...but mainly the job has been cheapened in the now national regime known as race to the bottom, and you know the old saying about paying peanuts.

There are of course though - older HGVs - HGVs with wrongly adjusted mirrors - drivers who don't use their mirrors properly - each group a small minority but if I'm inadvertently in a HGVs potential blind spot I get out of it ASAP.

HGV / Lorry blind spot and higher risk to Cross Overs/MPV/4x4? - - injection doc

I would rather be in a 4x4 than a small car , definatley better chance of being seen.

To be honest I cover 2-300 miles each day most days of the week and see plenty of lorry strikes daily on the motorways.

Mostly M25, usually foregien and usually small or low slung cars.

I am horrified how many people actually drive along side large trucks with foreign plates in low slung cars for long periods !

me I always move two lanes over and get passed as quick as possible for two reasons

One not being seen

The other is if a tyre blows ! seen plenty of trailer tyres blow and the damage to a car alongside is huge and normally to a few following cars as well !

Driver awareness from both parties is more important than a lot of people realise

HGV / Lorry blind spot and higher risk to Cross Overs/MPV/4x4? - - Avant

I can't think why the BMW driver having just joined the motorway, didn't quickly accelerate clear of the lorry.