Black clouds of new car buying - sydney the oz

My car finishes its 5 year warranty shortly but hanging onto it seems vastly more attractive than the charade involved in buying another one.

Am I alone?

Black clouds of new car buying - SLO76
Buying a car is great fun as long as you do a spot of homework. The smug feeling that comes from beating the system is hard to measure.
Black clouds of new car buying - Avant

You're both right! Buying a new car is great - if you've decided you want one it's very difficult to change your mind.

But, Sydney, if you like the one you've got, then keep it. The makers who give 5-year warranties have confidence in their products, and surveys show that generally the confidence is justified. I presume your car is Japanese or Korean: if you look after it and continue to have it serviced regularly, it should last you quite a few years more.

Black clouds of new car buying - NARU

My car finishes its 5 year warranty shortly but hanging onto it seems vastly more attractive than the charade involved in buying another one.

Am I alone?

As you know your car, you know just how much you've had to call on the warranty, or whether you have a good one.

I tend to buy Honda or Toyota and keen them for eight or nine years. We swapped my wife's Jazz for a Yaris when the gearbox nearings started to fail. The dealer didn't mind as long as the body was good as he was sending it off to auction.

I bought a 2007 landcruiser in 2008, and only sold it this year. It would have continued for years more, but I was being offered £11k trade-in, so it seemed to me to be in a sweet spot. It only cost me £24k! Road tax was £500, which I thought would become an increasing issue on resale prices as the landcruiser got older.

Edited by Marlot on 20/11/2016 at 06:11

Black clouds of new car buying - gordonbennet

It would have continued for years more, but I was being offered £11k trade-in, so it seemed to me to be in a sweet spot. It only cost me £24k! Road tax was £500, which I thought would become an increasing issue on resale prices as the landcruiser got older.

As some of us predicted at the time this is now biting severely into high emission used car values, just taken longer than others due to Cruisers holding their value ridiculously well, as expected those cars made in the 18 months or so before March 06 cut of date are now holding their value more than those made after, i think Marlow timed it well.

I've just replaced my 90 series year 2000 Cruiser with an LC5 on a 55 plate, as Marlow will know only too well finding a good one that's been in the right hands and cared for properly is getting hard, i had to look at several (including Amazons) which looked clean and apparently had the right history but two minutes underneath told a different tale...rust and more rust, i was luckly to spot this one the weekday morning the ad went in and had bought it by lunchtime, too many of the best ones have been exported.

Agree about out OP's position here, if the current car is a good one and it's been cared for then i'd be keeping it, but we arn't all the same and probably most people would have changed it before now.

It's not dealerships or buying a new car that bother me, it's finding one that isn't stuffed to the gills with pointless electronics that serve no useful purpose and will go wrong, or no spare wheel or some dodgy gearbox of doom and a myriad of other boxes to tick, if i was buying new it wouldn't be Toyota any longer because they've managed to make their new cars (and i include Lexus here for they are worse) frankly hideous, and they've saddled Hilux with a small engine for some reason which i can't fathom...where did you find your designers MrT?, has anyone seen the new Toyota C-HR revealed at Geneva, dear Lord, though Toyota are hardly alone in beating their designs with the ugly stick.

Not sure where i'd go if i wanted new from a British showroom.

Black clouds of new car buying - Engineer Andy
It's not dealerships or buying a new car that bother me, it's finding one that isn't stuffed to the gills with pointless electronics that serve no useful purpose and will go wrong, or no spare wheel or some dodgy gearbox of doom and a myriad of other boxes to tick, if i was buying new it wouldn't be Toyota any longer because they've managed to make their new cars (and i include Lexus here for they are worse) frankly hideous, and they've saddled Hilux with a small engine for some reason which i can't fathom...where did you find your designers MrT?, has anyone seen the new Toyota C-HR revealed at Geneva, dear Lord, though Toyota are hardly alone in beating their designs with the ugly stick.

Not sure where i'd go if i wanted new from a British showroom.

Here here! I think all the decent stylists in Japan are now working at Mazda, and perhaps to a small extent (QQ, new Micra and X-Trail only) Nissan. Was passed by a new Prius on Friday, and, barring the Nissan Juke, it was (in my view) the most hideous new car on the road at the moment. IMO Toyota can't do styling at the moment, both inside and out.

Honda and the other Japanese makes (barring Mazda) are only a bit better (not by much). If only Mazda could make their cars more rust-resistant (and give them all at least space-saver spares as standard), they'd wipe the board in sales. I've been relatively lucky with my Mazda3 on rust (nothing major) - I saw a similar regged 3 with a nasty bubbling rust problem around the front offside wheel arch yesterday.

Black clouds of new car buying - galileo

It's not dealerships or buying a new car that bother me, it's finding one that isn't stuffed to the gills with pointless electronics that serve no useful purpose and will go wrong, or no spare wheel or some dodgy gearbox of doom and a myriad of other boxes to tick

Not sure where i'd go if i wanted new from a British showroom.

GB, exactly my feelings. I had a new i10 as a courtesy car the other day, went well, about as big as the Yaris we used to have, spare wheel that looked fairly substantial, but of course it had DRLs, tyre pressure monitoring and on the speedo it kept prompting me to change up whenever I got to 2000 rpm, even uphill.

This, according to the handbook, "assists fuel economy" to keep the treehuggers happy. (No doubt you've had lorries with similar prompts, but keeping heavy duty diesels in the green band isn't quite the same as making a 1litre three-cylinder lug at low revs, is it?)

Anyway, list price for the thing was more than I paid for the i30 in 2009 including a years road tax. I guess I'll keep that for a few more years.

Black clouds of new car buying - SLO76
Totally agree regards Toyota's styling, it's as if they're trying to be different but all they've done is replace their previously inoffensive and bland styling with something downright hideous.

Agree also regards all the unnecessary gadgetry fitted to modern motors. The tyre pressure warning system and central locking has been a pain in the ass on our 4yr old VW Polo. I value the remote central locking but they need for a second digital speedo, trip computer, rear electric windows that're never used and a boot you can't open if the central locking fails thanks to there being no keyhole I can live without.

I wanted a totally basic car but the turbo diesels were only really available with higher spec. There must be a marketplace for a basic, well made option that does without all the pointless toys. Merc made its fortune selling such up til the 90's before they swapped quality for toys.
Black clouds of new car buying - RT

My car finishes its 5 year warranty shortly but hanging onto it seems vastly more attractive than the charade involved in buying another one.

Am I alone?

You weren't alone - I intended keeping my Hyundai for 3-5 years after the warranty ended - but it spent so long at the dealers being repaired I didn't dare.

BUT - the problem is we don't know whether my run of poor reliability or your run of good reliability would have continued.

Black clouds of new car buying - sydney the oz

Good points above thanks.

I'm currently more likely to keep the current car because:

- I still really like it

- It performs very well, including towing

- It's been well looked after and I know the full history

- The depreciation curve is levelling out

- A new model offers more 'stuff' that in reality I don't actually need/want.

- Its replacement would be more fuel economic but this won't touch the depreciation cost on a new one, as also probably applies to any additional non-warranty repairs which may be needed over the next couple of years. As mentioned, i hope my run of good reliability continues.

I have to say that the last experience I had of purchasing a car (not the one in this post) engaged with staff who didn't know their product (a major brand) and didn't listen to the customer, and this factor probably seals the stuatus quo.

On refection, this in fact may be the most significant factor; I just cannot look forward to the process....

Black clouds of new car buying - RT

Its replacement would be more fuel economic ..

Don't use the EU official figures there - it's quite normal for Euro 6 cars to get better official figures than Euro 5 but to get inferior consumption in real terms.

Use HJ's Real MPG pages as a guide.

Black clouds of new car buying - Avant

Out of interest, Sydney, can we know what your current car is? With a 5-year warranty and good for towing, I'm guessing a Honda CRV or one of the 4x4 Kias.

Black clouds of new car buying - RT

Kia is 7-year warranty - Hyundai, Subaru and Toyota give 5-years - it's also possible to extend the manufacturers 3-year warranty on some brands, on the same terms but at extra cost - I have with my VW.

Black clouds of new car buying - FoxyJukebox

Stick with the devil you know?

However--why not do a quick analysis.

1) Hanging on to a good car is cheaper than buying a new one ?

2) Buying new with cash saddles you with vast depreciation?

3) Buying new on the "never never" is generally a horrific expense?

4) Your current car will be worth nothing( sell/trade in) if you keep it for 10 years?

Black clouds of new car buying - sydney the oz

Current car Avant is a Santa Fe 7 seat auto.

Black clouds of new car buying - expat

A well maintained car should be good for at least ten years and probably much more depending on your mileage. I kept one for 25 years with minimal problems and minimal expense. My current one is thirteen years old and I am not planning to replace it. It is nice having a new car but the thrill wears off in a couple of weeks and then it is just another car.