when did the DVLA start issuing them , ie: what year
many thanks
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Not sure, but I was early in my time in the trade when they came in so I would say 82,83 or 84.
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I thought they were around with original suffix registrations too (as in ABC 123Q) - so post '65 ?
Edited by idle_chatterer on 16/01/2010 at 19:41
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I thought he mean q-plate as in plate for a vehicle of unknown age?
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I thought he mean q-plate as in plate for a vehicle of unknown age?
Yes, I think the policy is older than the prefix registrations introduced in '83 (I'm sure I've seen them on older kit cars as a child) ?
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I think it was '83
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83 - didn't appear on the suffix type plates.
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the reason for asking is , a friend has/or is buying a ex WD motorcycle that was built in 1973 and has chassis no etc , but has been told this might be have to be reg as a Q plate?
the bike was legaly reg by the WD in 1975?
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Sounds about right, however the WD would have been MoD by '75 though lotd of ex-MoD stuff about on Q plates.
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OK ,, MoD ?
vehicle history know , along with chassis no etc
this does no equate to the DVLA rulings of "unknown history" ????
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I dont think the MOD supply the required history to the DVLA.
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they dont AE
I heard a right tale in my local dvla office a few years back relating to an ex mod land rover,it wasnt nice and did dvla no flavours
last q plate car i had, for the record NO insurer would accept a proposal for it, as they couldnt quantify the risk
had the dammed thing ages,sold it to another wannabe trader in the end,ive never taken another one on
dont think q plates exist anymore either though as everything needs to be age related or rejected?
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um , but the engine number/frame number would be recorder by the manufacturer
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um but the engine number/frame number would be recorder by the manufacturer
but the date of first registration is not. (officially). It could have been in store for ages.
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Maker may have sunk without trace - it was pretty common practice to Q plate ex- MoD vehicles.
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um but the engine number/frame number would be recorder by the manufacturer
> i dont know if thats to me freddy1 but the whole idea of a q plate is because johhny nasty has removed all engine chassis numbers and so there is no data to date the car other than its what it is
this is why cars now have build date stickers all over and bar markings
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I built my Triumph GT6/TR6 based Marlin kitcar in 1982 (still going strong!) and kept the original 1968 plate despite new Make and chassis. (So now tax exempt). A friend built a Dutton at around the same time which was issued with a X suffix plate so Q plates were certainly not around then, so guess they came in with the change to prefix.
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I knew a guy who bought an ex WD m'bike.
Apparently the manual was subject to the official secrets act!
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Q plates go back a long time, I have some old motoring books which give listings of local authority reg nos and Q s are shown for inported vehicles or unknown age vehicles, specials etc. Examples 1234 Q and Q 1234. Ex RN Vanguards were seen on Q s.
I remember seeing Q plates in the 60s.
A few years ago I registered a Swiss Military motorbike and it went on an N reg..1975 I think,
Ted
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dont think q plates exist anymore either though as everything needs to be age related or rejected?
Here's 3 Q plated cars currently for sale on eBay:
bit.ly/4MDRwK
bit.ly/7jKCAL
bit.ly/6jkIia
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i meant you cant get a q plate tomorrow,not theyve been banned from the roads Dave_TD {P}
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Sorry bb, but having had a quick look at the DVLA website it seems that Q plates are still issued in cases of rebuilt, radically altered or kit cars:
bit.ly/63r7DU
"Following a successful IVA inspection and DVLA local office assessment, a 'Q' registration mark will be allocated."
My old man gave me a pile of back issues of kit car magazines at Christmas, they make ideal toilet reading and one of the subjects which crops up regularly is the car builders' struggle to retain the donor cars' original identity (usually for VED exemption purposes).
Every day's a school day ;-)
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If you can prove the vehicle's age you can get a reissued age-related ordinary plate.
I did this a few years ago when I registered my long-unregistered Ferguson tractor for road use. The commission number plate had long ago rusted away, but an official at the members' club certified the age of the tractor from photos I sent him, and on the basis of his letter confirming it's age, DVLA issued it with a proper number.
There are people in most clubs who are expert at dating vehicles based on the rivet-counter's knowledge of minute specification changes - the date when the diameter of the steering box bolts was increased from 1/4" to 9/32", the date when the exhaust hanger bracket was repositioned a few inches.
Q plates are for vehicles that have no actual single build date, because they have been built from different components from different vehicles, to an extent that fails to score 8 points on the originality scale.
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Why do all electric milk floats seem to have Q plates? How is it that no one can tell when they were manufactureded? Surely when they are built the manufacturer knows when they did it? Don't they have to have a VIN number? Don't manufacturers keep records of when they built which vehicles? What's going on?
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HI.
saw a Q plate Jeep (yep the American brand) outside my local swimming pool last week
can't have been more than a couple of years old...
Read in a "totally impreza" magaine last month...(yes sad I know a one make magazine)
about the "secret" carpark in London filled with stolen/recovered/ringed top end motorbikes/cars bmws/merc etc. some even recovered after being stolen from dealers and most have been ringed ie new plates and chassis numbers...
the policeman in the article said he'd never buy a recovered car or Q plate being sold at auction as it will always show up on any checks carried out by the next owner down the line and theres such a choice of cars out there it might make yours unsaleable.
He did say that yes, they sell for a little less that a "normal" car buts its not worth the future hassle come trade in time and insurance....
(the cars had been recovered, but the insurance companies had already paid out. The cars where in imbo the police where trying get evidence from the cars before the insurance companies sell the cars on to try and recover some of there "losses")
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Paul.
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The OP's friend could do worse than to contact (and preferably join) the Vintage Motor Cycle Club or the BSA Owners' Club; I'm assuming that the bike in question is a B40.
Many such organisations offer help and advice to members in such a situation; they also tend to be accredited by DVLA as competent authorities.
The gentleman should, by this means, be able to obtain an "age related plate" which removes the stigma of the dreaded "Q" plate; it also has the useful side-effect of slightly reducing the number of silly questions fired at you by interested onlookers at shows!
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cheers , but lead to believe that once a q plate had been issued , it could not be retracted.
i know you can get the age related plate reassigned , but thought q was a not on?
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Apparently the manual was subject to the official secrets act!
You're right, Tom!
EMER's (Electrical and Mechanical Engineering Regulations) which are the Army's workshop manuals, are, in common with most MOD paperwork, restricted documents.
Off topic, back in the 70's when I was in the "mob", every piece of the shiny toilet paper was printed with "Government Property" or similar, which gave the users great satisfaction!
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Same stuff in Police Stations as well...only good for a ' comb and paper ' band !
Ted
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once a Q always a Q
as i said if you are considering buying a q plated car then get an insurance quote first obviously kit cars are easier to get the quote for than an escort but dont be sure of it
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once a Q always a Q >>
Not so.
My tractor had at one time been re-registered as a Q, but they dropped that and allocated a proper age-related number after certification by a club official as to the actual age.
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