Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - pete2000

Hi All

Apologies in advance for the long read but at my wits end with the unbelievable incompetence of Jaguar and the actual risk to life their vehicle poses.

I'm the unfortunate owner of an approved used I-pace model 2020, under jag approved used warranty until the end of the year. The vehicle has had persistent Charging and 'high voltage system' faults which occur frequently when trying to DC charge it.

It has also had 1 brake failure attributed to one of the 12V batteries (replaced a few months back)

Car has been at dealerships (2 different ones) a total of 4 times, with a month taken at a time and no escalation as they can't 'replicate the fault' for the high voltage and charging errors. (note that there are multiple jaguar roadside callouts documented, videos and photos from my side showing these dash errors but they disappear and seemingly can't be brought up by the team the dealers get it)

As I paid the deposit with my credit card I've started a section 75 claim but it's stuck at the 'get an independent assessment stage advising of fault and repair cost' which I'm not sure who to approach as it's a specialised vehicle where the manufacturer is best qualified and least cooperative.

I've started a claim with Ombudsman too, so will see what happens although I suspect I'll lose out a few thousand quid because I've had the car for a year despite faults since day 5 of ownership that haven't been resolved.

It also had another brake failure recently which by some miracle didn't end my life. I'd read articles and horror stories on I-paces, and like many thought there's some kind of user error. But this was a brief 20 minute journey, in the middle of the day and while approaching a roundabout off a high speed road, the car refused to brake. I was wearing normal footwear, no health issues, no obstacles or doormats on pedals or anything like that and had a few terrifying seconds of trying to pump the brakes, hit the brakes anything with the brakes while steering into the safest option - i.e. smashed over the roundabout where the vegetation slowed me down as well as the loss of a couple of tyres. Police closed a lane and got me recovered and I had to report to insurance who arranged via their garage to replace a couple of tyres and maybe gave the car a polish (surprised not more damage but could be lack of a thorough check by them). I'm due to collect the cursed vehicle tomorrow which feels like a disaster waiting to happen.

If you've made it this far, I'd appreciate if anyone has any advice. Example questions like:

1) section 75 claim needs independent assessment. Does anyone know of any facility that can check the car, review my photos and errors and hopefully give some kind of report or letter? Ideally in Central Scotland? Any recommendations appreciated.

2) I feel there are legal implications here, is this a waste of time, or is it worth doing something. I think legal protection via insurer will likely only be for personal injury unless there's things I'm unaware of. My home insurance has legal advice? or do organisations exist that can help which I've missed?

3) Shall I contact DVSA or media?

Current status is being bounced around by the dealership, the client care and the assist team, all of whom don't talk to each other very efficiently and pass the back. There is nobody I've come across within the Jaguar network that cares that this car has unsolvable faults and also can cause accidents. There is no doubt the errors will occur again (especially when DC charging on longer journeys) and the car will get recovered by Jag assist, to the branch who won't 'replicate fault' and return it to me. Rinse and repeat until the warranty finishes then I suspect they'll magically find a £10,000 repair they can do to the entire battery and charging system.

Worst company I've ever dealt with by some margin, and that was before the brake incident.

Really really appreciate any input, I've tried the I-pace forum but it's a mixture of suffering owners and the lucky ones with functioning models who won't understand that it's possible for all the above to be true. Hoping some experienced automotive industry contributors here have an idea as I'm a bit lost.

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - Orb>>.

If you can suffer the loss. Just get rid of.

It's a long time since I worked in a jaguar dealer.

Get a national newspaper involved and get your case on social media.

That repair will be in excess of £20000 by the way.

Edited by Orb>>. on 27/02/2025 at 16:53

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - pete2000

Hi,

Thanks for the prompt response. I would honestly rather the dealer take it than risk selling it to someone and have their potential death on my conscience.

Any chance you know of any company in scotland that may be able to diagnose or at least see the error reports and provide details of fault and cost to repair? That would potentially help me with section 75.

Cheers.

Media is an option but they may not care. I thought the outsourced call-centres were generally difficult to deal with but Jag teams in the UK take it on a whole new level.

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - badbusdriver

It has been some time since I've read either, but I believe both What Car and Auto Express magazines have specialists who can help with tricky car related problems. While not a dedicated motoring publication, it may also be worth looking to see if Which has something similar.

As for "normal" media, they may not care, but given the obvious danger you were in, I think it more likely that they would be interested.

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - Orb>>.

Did someone post recently about a range rover hybrid specialist? Maybe worth. giving a call. I'm sure someone will find the post.

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - Xileno

It was in on of the High Peak Autos videos, in the recent Range Rover thread. The link is not working now but it will be on their website.

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - mcb100
I think. I’d be having a word with s legal professional who specialises in consumer law.

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - Steveieb

Clevely Electric Vehicles in Cheltenham seem to be becoming a well known specialist who now have a mobile service.

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - Adampr

I would just get rid of it. There are multiple companies out there who will buy any car. They are no less scrupulous than a Jaguar dealer if you can convince them to take it back.

JLR have built up quite a reputation for poor reliability and worse customer service. You're in for a long ride if you try to fight them. Take the V5 when you collect it and drive it straight to your nearest car buying service. Never buy another JLR product and put it all behind you.

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - Warning

I’d be having a word with s legal professional who specialises in consumer law.

Don't waste a single penny on lawyers. The entire legal system and laws, courts is rigged, to make the profession money.

I had a bad experience law firm, where I was quoted a "fixed fee" of £2,500, but they deceived me and my legal costs escalated to £30,000. They got me into a fight unnecessarily, but it was designed to make them money. I felt that much of the work done was superficial, and I was disappointed by the way legal fees were structured. A partner at law firms are on £450/hour, but they pass the work to juniors on £250/hour. Law firms are interested in billable hours, they have targets. That does not the client's best interests.

I felt the back-and-forth between lawyers was more about increasing costs than achieving real progress. I made a complaint to the legal ombudsman, over the way I was deceived, but they law firm played some tricks and don't expect justice from the ombudsman.

I can't even leave a bad review on the law firms web site, as they will threaten me with legal action. So I can't warn others.

I know there are good lawyers, but finding them is not easy.

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - pete2000
Thanks everyone for your suggestions.

Whilst it is still under the approved warranty and it’s been with me a year (although faults from 1st week) taking a multi thousand pound hit is not an option for me at present. Just feels like a last stage option. Car could fail completely next week or something and they’ll be forced to take it and buy me time.

I appreciate the suggestions of specialists. Unfortunately all seem to be down south rather than Scotland. All recommendations are greatly appreciated and will look into it. I think section 75 claim best bet. Provided I can find someone to say errors caused by xyz and repairs cost xyz. Then maybe can get somewhere.

Also started a claim with motor ombudsman so in parallel have a few months to fix it. If ombudsman gives a verdict I envisage a better valuation than the we buy cars companies but that would be end game.

I’m 100% convinced this model is plagued with issues the manufacturer can’t fix and the horrific service is indicative of a company on its last legs.
Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - focussed

" the car refused to brake. I was wearing normal footwear, no health issues, no obstacles or doormats on pedals or anything like that and had a few terrifying seconds of trying to pump the brakes, hit the brakes anything with the brakes while steering into the safest option - i.e. smashed over the roundabout where the vegetation slowed me down as well as the loss of a couple of tyres. Police closed a lane and got me recovered"

Was there any police action, comment or notice of prosecution for "smashing over the roundabout?" or any official police paperwork detailing this incident that you could present to a solicitor to start a legal case?

You just told them the brakes had failed and they took your word for it?

edit - you are not alone it seems.

www.ipaceforums.co.uk/threads/brakes-failed.5278/

www.ipaceforums.co.uk/threads/sudden-brake-failure.../

www.ipaceforums.co.uk/threads/repeated-12-v-batter.../

Edited by focussed on 27/02/2025 at 20:23

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - pete2000

Basically a random recovery bloke with a small van saw me post incident and switched on his lights and called police to help get me recovered. Duty of care apparently but nice enough to stop and help.

Police came and took some details. I told them what happened and they gave me an incident number and arranged recovery.
They got some contracting company to check the roundabout for any damage I may be liable for but they found that there wasn’t any. I’d managed to avoid the sign or anything that could kill me thankfully.

From their perspective they simply gave me a reference number and told me to speak to insurance and they’ve done their bit. And kindly one of them gave me a lift to my destination a few minutes away.

Not really got much spare funds to start a legal case unless I can convince insurance legal cover or home insurance legal advice? Never had a car with such bad issues in my life so this is all new as I navigate the various processes. Wouldn’t wish this vehicle or company upon my worst enemy.

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - Adampr

Maybe take it to these guys?

4x4-specialists.com/land-rover-ev-repair-specialis.../

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - bazza

As adampr says, just get rid of it. Trade it in and move on. I have a rule that any car or vehicle that gives me major grief, worry and hassle will be moved on. It's simply not worth worrying about. Yes you'll take a hit, but you would anyway, whenever you sell it. It's not worth your sanity!

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - Ethan Edwards

A failure to brake ? How can that be. Usually a normal car the vacuum assisted master cylinder applies hydraulic pressure to the wheel calipers. No engine vacuum so it's an electrically powered master cylinder on EVs. Surely in the event of electrical failure you ought to be able to brake even without electrical assistance. Unless it's some kind of fancy brake by wire set up, where all you are doing with the pedal is telling a computer to brake the car. But that's got to have multiple back ups / safeguards. Sorry but JLR need to come clean on this and if necessary refit all I paces with a less sophisticated but more reliable alternative. Shame on out safety regulators for not forcing a massive recall.

Edited by Ethan Edwards on 27/02/2025 at 22:49

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - Andrew-T

Surely in the event of electrical failure you ought to be able to brake even without electrical assistance. .

For several decades now I think the brakes on any car have a failsafe system to prevent complete failure, which can usually only happen if someone has tampered with the pipework, surely ? The servo may fail, but the driver just has to put more pressure on the pedal !

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - John F

. .For several decades now I think the brakes on any car have a failsafe system to prevent complete failure, which can usually only happen if someone has tampered with the pipework, surely ? The servo may fail, but the driver just has to put more pressure on the pedal !

Quite so. I have sometimes amused myself by turning off the engine on long downhill stretches in slow moving traffic. After a few applications the assistance suddenly runs out of puff and then even in a normal car of modest weight a huge amount of pressure has to be applied for a small amount of braking. However, over two tons of a massive fast moving SUV is a different matter. Without assistance, an attempt at cadence braking as per on snow is likely to give the impression of having no brakes at all. I suspect this was the case here.

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - pete2000
Unfortunately I don’t have the technical knowledge on how it works. All I know is the first part of the motion is regen and the second part is physical braking.

In any case whether it is me or an old lady driving, the brakes should be responsive enough. If I had more time I may have tried to fiddle with the parking brake or smash the pedal with superhuman force but these things need quick reactions and believe me Jaguar for whatever reason are burying this issue. It was the middle of the day. A short journey. Clear road etc. no mitigating factors and while braking for many experienced drivers is instinctive, I had a couple of seconds to be instinctive and deliberate in my attempts to brake the car and controlled the car as much as I could without brakes.

I suspect the unsolvable electrical issues and internal diagnostics of the car aren’t accurate enough and failures cannot be identified adequately until after the fact (e.g complete breakdown or car dies in the road). It shouldn’t be this complicated. If my wife was driving with the kids in the car she should expect smashing the brake to slow and stop the vehicle.
Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - Andrew-T
Unfortunately I don’t have the technical knowledge on how it works. All I know is the first part of the motion is regen and the second part is physical braking.

No, I wasn't criticising your responses. I was questioning whether any modern car would be designed with an electric-only brake, which could in theory fail totally ?

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - gordonbennet

Ethan.

Haven't a clue what system JLR use these days, lovely cars wouldn't have one as a gift.

Brake assistance systems are often electrically powered these days, Toyota have been using using a powered accumulator for over 20 years on Landcruisers and other large models, Merc had a similar but flawed system (SBS) which they thankfully dropped late noughties, these systems still retained normal hydraulics but the amount of assistance provided is many fold.

Its not like it was in the days of simple vacuum servo assistance, where loss of vacuum meant maybe 2/3X as much foot pressure would be required to stop, when the accumulator fails the foot pressure required might be in the region of 8 or 10X.

I'm sure some old enough here can remember their first disc braked cars that had no servo assistance at all and how much pedal pressure was required (far more than with an all drum brake system), some of us using parts from vehicle dismantlers fittted our own remote vacuum servos, i recall doing this on a mk2 Cortina many moons ago, probably using parts raided from a larger Ford or landcrab, the first time you used the brakes the difference was astonishing.

Edited by gordonbennet on 28/02/2025 at 00:07

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - Ethan Edwards

Ethan.

Haven't a clue what system JLR use these days, lovely cars wouldn't have one as a gift.

Brake assistance systems are often electrically powered these days, Toyota have been using using a powered accumulator for over 20 years on Landcruisers and other large models, Merc had a similar but flawed system (SBS) which they thankfully dropped late noughties, these systems still retained normal hydraulics but the amount of assistance provided is many fold.

Its not like it was in the days of simple vacuum servo assistance, where loss of vacuum meant maybe 2/3X as much foot pressure would be required to stop, when the accumulator fails the foot pressure required might be in the region of 8 or 10X.

I'm sure some old enough here can remember their first disc braked cars that had no servo assistance at all and how much pedal pressure was required (far more than with an all drum brake system), some of us using parts from vehicle dismantlers fittted our own remote vacuum servos, i recall doing this on a mk2 Cortina many moons ago, probably using parts raided from a larger Ford or landcrab, the first time you used the brakes the difference was astonishing.

Yes, been there done it. Had the servo pack up on a Princess. Also had the power steering pump pack up on that car too. Neither of which was fun. I recall the steering was horrendous getting out a multi storey car park , needed to be Arnie to get it round!

But crucially it still functioned albeit with massively reduced efficiency. Have JLR removed that failsafe aspect? Definitely needs investigation by VOSA. Or some other official body.

Edited by Ethan Edwards on 28/02/2025 at 15:42

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - gordonbennet

But crucially it still functioned albeit with massively reduced efficiency. Have JLR removed that failsafe aspect? Definitely needs investigation by VOSA. Or some other official body.

Sincerely hope not, brakes and steering are two things that should always have a the mechanical connection to the vehicle, no way would i want a vehicle designed without that connection no matter the make.

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - bathtub tom

>> Princess. Also had the power steering pump pack up on that car too.

My Princess (1800 HL) never had power steering, although the Ambassador that followed it did. Took me a while before I could drive it in a straight line, because it was so overpowered and high geared that any slight movement of the wheel set it off.

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - Ethan Edwards

Yeah I had the 2000HL auto in Cashmir metallic. Brown velour upholstery and a brown vinyl roof. When I bought it I thought it had brown tinted windows too. Turned out the previous owner smoked a lot , a lot of cigars.

Great car though, helped you make friends. I got to know the local BL dealer parts guy. Couple of exhaust manifolds, ooh let's not forget the way it went through suspension rebound straps on the rear wheels. But kept it for three years by which time it was 4 1/2 yrs old. I recall that it was particularly important to top up the oil dashpot on the su carb very regularly. I think it was a car made in winter though as the front started bubbling rust. You know about unpainted bodies driven from one factory to another in all weathers...

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - pete2000
Thanks for this. It’s about an hour away from me so will call them and see what they can do and if they can do anything.
Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - 72 dudes

Also have a look at www.dandgautocare.co.uk

They have 7 or 8 outlets in central Scotland specialising in EV service and diagnostics.

Sorry to hear such a tale of ongoing problems and I can understand your reluctance to just get rid and lose thousands of pounds while the car is supposed to be under warranty.

Advice to get legal representation seems wise, and the Legal cover on your insurance should be able to help with this.

Please update from time to time with your progress.

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - 72 dudes

P S. Using the electronic handbrake is one way to stop suddenly in an emergency if you experience brake failure again.

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - movilogo

EPB is unlikely to work if it detects car is not standstill and moving.

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - 72 dudes

EPB is unlikely to work if it detects car is not standstill and moving.

The EPB in both of my EVs can be used to slow and stop the car rapidly in an emergency.

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - movilogo

I looked up my car (HEV, not EV) manual and it does say EPB can be used in emergency situation - so learnt something new!

Emergency braking with the EPB switch

Pull and hold the EPB switch up to engage the emergency brake.

WARNING

Do not operate the Electronic Parking Brake (EPB) whilst the vehicle is moving except in an emergency situation.

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - pete2000
Hi thanks. I thought I responded last night but can’t see response on my mobile. I will certainlyl post updates as things progress. I already booked with the other recommendation in this thread. Hopefully will result in something tangible for the credit card company to use.

As for the other aspects and legal this may need some time to work out. At the very least want rid of this vehicle. The car itself inherently has a terrible brake design. If you’ve never driven an I-pace you’ll find that the ‘feel’ of the brakes is unusual with extra travel to engage the physical brakes. Much less responsive than the average car let alone when the electrics or 12V fails causing all sorts of dangerous situations.

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - Orb>>.

I wish you all the best with getting it fixed and or rid of.

I remember 20 odd years ago offering to fill a car with horse manure and deliver it on a trailer to the main gate of a UK manufacturer. Got their attention. Car replaced 3 days later .

Probably not now though.

Edited by Orb>>. on 01/03/2025 at 14:27

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - Andrew-T

Probably not now though.

No UK manufacturers ? :-)

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - Brit_in_Germany

Not saying it was the case with yours but, I have been caught out a couple of times when I was expecting regenerative braking. As the battery had just been fully charged, the regen braking was ineffective, so a change to active braking was needed.

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - Ethan Edwards

Not sure if the OP is keeping the I pace. But a gentle reminder to all EV owners. Since the VED is changing in April from Nil to 195 quid. Just log onto the DVLA site and re tax your car this month. It'll cost you nothing and means you won't need to buy tax again till March 2026. Just done mine and it's free, took two minutes.

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - Steveieb

Thanks for this Ethan .

But how will the increases affect those of us that own an ICE which requires re taxing on 1 April .

Will the reminders permit you to tax the car at the old or new rate ?

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - Steveieb

I have every sympathy for the OP. Main dealers are past masters of delaying decisions , not answering calls or cancelling appointments .

A friend of mine visited the dealership twice a week until he got them to agree a replacement gearbox in his F pace.

Persistence and repeatedly making a nuisance can achieve a result but it takes a lot of commitment by the owner logging all the visits for future reference

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - Andrew-T

But how will the increases affect those of us that own an ICE which requires re taxing on 1 April . Will the reminders permit you to tax the car at the old or new rate ?

And presumably if one pays by monthly D/D this escape route wouldn't work ?

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - De Sisti

There was a guy on Radio Four's 'You and Yours' consumer programme this morning. I think the topic was about individuals making the most of green initiatives. Among his 'green credentials,' he mentioned owning an EV, a Jaguar I-Pace, but he was far from complimentary about the car and, I suspect, EVs in general, due to the problems it had caused him.

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - Ethan Edwards

There was a guy on Radio Four's 'You and Yours' consumer programme this morning. I think the topic was about individuals making the most of green initiatives. Among his 'green credentials,' he mentioned owning an EV, a Jaguar I-Pace, but he was far from complimentary about the car and, I suspect, EVs in general, due to the problems it had caused him.

Yes it's easy for one to imagine that every EV suffers from every problem that your one does. That's simply not the case.

A youtuber with a 71plate Taycan has had multiple serious recalls. (MacMaster) whereas others..no recalls. Dumb to blame all EVs.

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - De Sisti

There was a guy on Radio Four's 'You and Yours' consumer programme this morning. I think the topic was about individuals making the most of green initiatives. Among his 'green credentials,' he mentioned owning an EV, a Jaguar I-Pace, but he was far from complimentary about the car and, I suspect, EVs in general, due to the problems it had caused him.

Yes it's easy for one to imagine that every EV suffers from every problem that your one does. That's simply not the case.

A youtuber with a 71plate Taycan has had multiple serious recalls. (MacMaster) whereas others..no recalls. Dumb to blame all EVs.

It has nothing to do with me. I only mentioned it because the chap on the radio wasn't too keen on his I-Pace (and this thread is about a faulty I-Pace). Nothing more, nothing less.

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - Ethan Edwards

Ice won't save a penny. Sorry.

Jaguar I-Pace - I-Pace nightmare? how to get solution/justice? - madf

Not sure if the OP is keeping the I pace. But a gentle reminder to all EV owners. Since the VED is changing in April from Nil to 195 quid. Just log onto the DVLA site and re tax your car this month. It'll cost you nothing and means you won't need to buy tax again till March 2026. Just done mine and it's free, took two minutes.

Thanks.. did it two days ago..