Any - Car insurance ,new offence - tony g
Hi ,I've just seen details of people being fined for an offence I've not come across before .

Details are in our local paper ,and read as follows (.being the person whose name a vehicle was registered to when it did not meet the insurance requirements .£200 fine ,£125 costs .)

I understand the detail of the offence , but under what circumstances would an individual be fined for this offence .

Tony g
Any - Car insurance ,new offence - skidpan

In our area its the Pizza, Chinese, Indian etc delivery people who are being fined for this type of offence. They are using their cars/bikes for the business of their employer when they do not have business cover.

Any - Car insurance ,new offence - Collos25

And hire cabs no doubt anything goes when it comes to these boys.

Any - Car insurance ,new offence - BigJohnD

Yes, borrowing Dad's car to deliver takeaways.

Any - Car insurance ,new offence - Bromptonaut

Could be use outside scope of policy as speculated above.

Another possibility is breaches of the newish continuous insurance thing. Every taxed vehicle must be insured. Even if it's laid up in your garage it needs to be SORN'd before insurance cancelled/expired.

Any - Car insurance ,new offence - skidpan

Another possibility is breaches of the newish continuous insurance thing. Every taxed vehicle must be insured. Even if it's laid up in your garage it needs to be SORN'd before insurance cancelled/expired.

But that would be driving an uninsured vehicle which is surely different from "it did not meet the insurance requirements"

Any - Car insurance ,new offence - martint123

Another possibility is breaches of the newish continuous insurance thing. Every taxed vehicle must be insured. Even if it's laid up in your garage it needs to be SORN'd before insurance cancelled/expired.

But that would be driving an uninsured vehicle which is surely different from "it did not meet the insurance requirements"

"driving" does not come into it. You need insurance if not SORN'd if the vehicle is in your won garage.

Any - Car insurance ,new offence - jamie745

Within five years we'll all have to wait for a phonecall in the morning from our insurance company giving us permission to have a s***.

Any - Car insurance ,new offence - Collos25

Its nothing new its been an offence as long as I can remember if you use your own car for work any company worth its salt will check the cars insurance details .It appears somebody has been doing their job properly and checking and so they should.

Any - Car insurance ,new offence - tony g
(.being the person whose name a vehicle was registered to when it did not meet the insurance requirements .£200 fine ,£125 costs .)

Hi all ,
It's a possibility that it does refer to using a vehicle for commercial gain ,without the correct insurance .

However just looking at the way it was described in the local paper ,it seems to me that the registered owner was not the driver at the time of the offence , but he's still being fined for incorrect insurance ,when he wasn't driving ,any ideas ?
Any - Car insurance ,new offence - Hamsafar

"(.being the person whose name a vehicle was registered to when it did not meet the insurance requirements .£200 fine ,£125 costs .) "

This is not SONING a car and having no insurance offence.

Nothing to do with hire, pizzas or driving. The key is the start of the sentence: "being the person whose name a vehicle was registered".

That would not apply to driving, pizzas, private hire etc....but would to the continuous insurance offence.

Any - Car insurance ,new offence - tony g
(but would to the continuous insurance offence.)
Seems more likely ,So the offence would be if your cars not declared SORN ,it must be insured ,is that correct ?

All sounds a bit big brother ,but then there's far to many uninsured drivers ,especially in West Yorkshire .
Any - Car insurance ,new offence - unthrottled

Don't really see what continuity of insurance has got to do with the problem of uninsured drivers.

Scenario A: Car is insured by to Dave, but is mainly driven by Jim who is not insured. Continuity of insurance indicates a false negative

Scenario B: Car is registered to Dave, whio is not insured, but has been taken for a run by Jim who is legitimately covered to drive the car 3rd party (in emergencies) under his own insurance policy. Continuity of insurance indicates a false positive.

This is just a labour-saving measure for lazy plods. In the age of instant mobile communication, it has no place.

Of course, these measures are dreamt up by the likes of Gideon Osborne for whom the problem of running a car has never been a consideration.

Any - Car insurance ,new offence - tony g
Dave, whio is not insured, but has been taken for a run by Jim who is legitimately covered to drive the car 3rd party (in emergencies)

Didn't know that( in emergencies )was a clause in circumstances like this .Is it a general rule or just a clause on some policies .?
Any - Car insurance ,new offence - unthrottled

No! You can't drive someone else's car for business use on your own policy-you know that I didn't imply that.

My point was that continuity of insurance requirement is not an effective measure against uninsured drivers. It also moves the burden of proof from guilt to innocence which I find totally unacceptable.

Any - Car insurance ,new offence - tony g
Sorry didn't make myself clear enough

,you seemed to be suggesting that the right to drive another car not owned by you ,would only be covered by your own insurance for third party cover .IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY .Is that what you were saying ?.

Nothing to do with business use .

I would agree with part of your second paragraph ,guilt to innocence ,however being fined ,and seeing other people being fined,must attract the attention of uninsured drivers ,it's an epidemic in my part of the country .
Any - Car insurance ,new offence - unthrottled

Isn't that the wording the insurance companies choose? I presume it is simply a clause to discourage abuse. Otherwise one could simply drive someone else's car in a much higher insurance on a daily basis.

Any - Car insurance ,new offence - focussed

Here in France and much of the rest of Europe the vehicle insurance situation is a lot simpler, the vehicle is insured not the driver. A minimum of third party insurance must be in force at all times-so anybody can drive any vehicle that they are licenced for, with the owner's permission, and a green insurance badge must be displayed on the windscreen and the accompanying insurance certificate is a standard format "green card"

This avoids all the UK nonsense of who has insurance and who doesn't for a particular vehicle.

Any - Car insurance ,new offence - Collos25

I don't think this system is widely used in Europe certainly not in Germany ,Italy,Switzeland ,Austria,and I think you need to look at the French system more closely what you are saying is that given a make of car everybody pays the same I don't think so .I think they use the system in use in Germany where the plates are only issued on the reciept of valid documentation .

Any - Car insurance ,new offence - Bromptonaut

Don't really see what continuity of insurance has got to do with the problem of uninsured drivers

It won't detect driving an insured vehicle outside policy terms, neither does ANPR.

Problem is that under old rules it was necessary to show the uninsured vehicle was being kept/used on a public road. Under continuous insurance the car must be insured whenever it's licensed. Given that most of us driving legitimately renew straight away it's no problem. The yoof who's been winging it w/o insurance gets summoned.

Legitimate grouse is from owners of summer only classics who now have to SORN as well as go onto 'laid up' insurance at end of 'season' .

Any - Car insurance ,new offence - jamie745

In fairness the continous insurance law had been coming for years with the previous Government having got the ball rolling. There's plenty of things to blame Gideon for which are his fault without resorting to things which aren't.

Any - Car insurance ,new offence - skidpan

If the vehicle is on a SORN it does not have to be insurred. Got a classic that I only use 6 months a year thus SORN for the winter, I keep it insurred because of the value and not the new law.