Lexus GS - Battered with the ugly stick - gordonbennet

My eyes keep being drawn to new Lexus GS on the right of the page, and watering.

Whats happening at Toyota, who on earth authorised that accessory shop sale special front skirt to be fitted to that fine car, the grill treatment is little better...are they trying desperately to better Audi in the who can make the most horrible looking car competition.

Its not the first time that incredibly ugly cars have been offered for sale, but up till now Lexus models have been an example of understated good looks.

Lexus GS - Battered with the ugly stick - corax

I agree. I can understand something like the Focus RS having a front skirt like that, but I don't really know what image Toyota trying to portray by sticking it on their executive cruisers .

I think there needs to be a major shake up at these design offices. I don't know what their definition of taste is, but it's not mine. It's the way many things are going though GB. Cheap tacky looking carp, like comparing the sound of a record to MP3.

Those rear light clusters on new Focuses. Why?

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Peugeot are also having trouble with their griles in particular and styling in general. The 307 generation had a grille like a whale's mouth. The 3008 seems to have gone for NHS braces. How hard can it be to design a tasteful front end?

Lexus GS - Battered with the ugly stick - Engineer Andy

IMHO we sadly appear to be in a period when car design (from an asthetic point-of-view) has gone backwards - I've been thinking of replacing my 2006 Mazda3 saloon (much better looking than the hatch), but just can't get enthused by any car at the moment.

The Ford Focus is a good example of the modern "design" of cars - not bad from the front, OK from the sides, but ugly from the rear (and with [like so many thesedays] a tiny rear window & poor rear visibility).

Similarly with the new Toyota GT86/Subaru BRZ (very odd rear, a bit like the final Celica [without the rear spoiler]), VW Scirocco (rear like a frog or dog squatting to go to the loo), Hyundai Veloster, Honda CR-Z, etc, etc. Many of these (as well as lots of modern cars) have (to me anyway) very odd-looking dashboards/interiors, and are very complicated to use - a shame that some, like VWs are still very boring with no flair at all (the other end of the scale).

Very few non-supercar sports coupes that are "reasonably" affordable that are also good looking from all angles and inside. Audi's TT and A5 and the Mazda RX-8 are very nice indeed, but way too expensive for most of us to run.

What I'm looking for is:

  • Reasonably quick (0-60 in about 8sec/top speed 130mph), well-geared (not the daft way many do now to achieve the CO2 figures, or like my Mazda3 [too highly-geared - not smooth enough]) and ok on the jungle-juice;
  • Comfortable cruiser (a rear GT car - not on bling-bling 19in wheels and 30 aspect tyres [more like 16/17in max 60 aspect tyres, no front rear skirts 1mm off the ground [i.e. you can ride over speed bumps at more than walking pace] and decent smooth suspension that doesn't go rock hard after 6 months of driving) with a really comfortable seat;
  • Looks stylish (coupe/saloon), but slightly understated, enough to carry 4 persons (a bit bigger than a 2+2 - enough for adult rear passengers for journeys up to 1 hour) and a reasonable sized boot (around 350-40 litres and easy access);
  • Simple (i.e. not 1000 tiny buttons or an i-do-da takes-50-menus-to-operate-the-radio), easy-to-use but stylish dash/steering wheel layout without cheapo plastic/fake metal or wood/carbon fibre inserts. The manual for for the car should not run to LotR lengths or require a doctorate in Engineering/Computer Science to be able to understand - using all the cars systems should take NO LONGER than 1 hour to become familiar with;
  • Safe (not too dificult thesedays), very reliable (I'd rather have less gadgets and gizmos than more) and easy to fix/replace/upgrade items/parts (5 mins to change any bulb without having to take half the front end off) and secure (no crappy alarm that goes off as soon as a gnat sneezes) - all proven technology that WORKS long-term. I only want to have to visit the garage once a year for a service and the occasional consumable parts replacement;
  • Excellent dealers (this is what mainly puts me off UK/German cars - they appear to very variable in quality [IMHO, from speaking to colleagues/friends/family], and often are entirely sales-orientated (poor after-sales customer service).

I know, it seems a lot to ask for, but I'd rather pay a bit more for that level of quality and customer service - just a shame that many of the top far eastern makes seem to have dropped the ball at the moment, or don't even make the upper-middle of the market cars.

Lexus GS - Battered with the ugly stick - veryoldbear

Oh dear, I just bought one that fills most of the bill. It's a Saab 900 3-door coupe and cost me £700 ....

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It does (and as a Saab critic, kit pains me to admit it!).

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well-geared (not the daft way many do now to achieve the CO2 figures, or like my Mazda3 [too highly-geared - not smooth enough]) and ok on the jungle-juice;

Tall gearing is the easiest way to improve fuel economy which is why they all do it. As a driver of a car with a ridiculously short top gear, I' have to say that short gears are more annoying than tall ones.

The best solution is is to have short close ratio gears from 1-4, and one or two deep overdrive gears. If a car has decent acceleration in top gear, it is undergeared.

Unfortunately, the wonderful NEDC restricts gear selection for the urban part of the cycle, so that's why we see horrible ratios for gears 1-3. Of course, in the real world, drivers simply hang on to lower gears for longer so there is no net benefit. Doncha just love politicians?

Lexus GS - Battered with the ugly stick - Avant

Andy - my Octavia vRS estate ticks all those boxes, except that you probably wouldn't think it looks stylish. Personally I'd rather have the practicality and the very good rear visibility. After all, if you're driving the car it doesn't much matter what it looks like from the outside, and you sound too sensible to be worried about what the neighbours think.

Edited by Avant on 10/06/2012 at 21:05

Lexus GS - Battered with the ugly stick - Engineer Andy

Actually I think the Octavia's a fine car - the front could be a bit better looking, but other than that (especially the vRS model - although I would prefer the saloon version) its not bad at all...except it's too big for my needs (I'm looking for something reasonably easy to park which doesn't need parking sensors due to its size or poor rear visibility).

What I'm really looking for is something of the size of the TT or Scirocco. I actually liked the look and performance of the Honda Integra - not the hot 196bhp Type R imported from Japan, but the "softer" 160bhp Type S which appeared to be sold in the US & Canada (as the Acura RSX) a few years ago - a compact coupe with reasonable room in the back and boot. Not sure about the ride, but if it was for the US market, they could've softened it up a bit. Used to see a Type R import whilst on holiday in the West Country for many years. See the4th Generation on Wikipedia for details:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Integra

Something similar to that would do nicely - most good looking coupes thesedays tend to be on the larger side and/or very expensive to buy/run. I'll just have to hope that I either win the Lottery or another Intergra-look car comes along.

Lexus GS - Battered with the ugly stick - Falkirk Bairn

. Not sure about the ride, but if it was for the US market, they could've softened it up a bit. Used to see a Type R import whilst on holiday in the West Country for many years. See the4th Generation on Wikipedia for details:

Quite a few imports in my neck of the woods - including someone up the street. Looks good and the owner looks after it like a baby - always shining!

Lexus GS - Battered with the ugly stick - corax

What I'm really looking for is something of the size of the TT or Scirocco. I actually liked the look and performance of the Honda Integra - not the hot 196bhp Type R imported from Japan, but the "softer" 160bhp Type S which appeared to be sold in the US & Canada (as the Acura RSX) a few years ago

I'm afraid you're at the mercy of the marketing men - I see American versions of Honda's and Japanese cars that would appeal to me but are not sold here. Toyota Caldina estate for example.