VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - Trilogy

I've been looking for a Passat or A6 1.9 tdi estate for some time. During that time I've viewed 3 Passats and realised I don't really like them. That leaves the A6. On autotrader there are about 7 times as many Passats for sale in this price range as A6s. Before anyone suggests a petrol car, I do cover around 20,000 miles a year, so I'm happy to view the ££ save each year would be my nest egg incase anything diesel related goes wrong. And I do need an estate.

I'm looking for suggestions of other estates I should perhaps consider, preferably from people who have actual experience of the vehicles.

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - Trilogy

BTW I've ruled out an Octavia estate because the loading sill is too high!

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - TeeCee

Elsewhere for that requirement I've often seen "BMW Turbodiesel engined Rover 75 Tourer - late as you can get" declared to be the cheap-as-chips and mechanically bulletproof purchase.

Just a thought.....

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - TeeCee

Elsewhere for that requirement I've often seen "BMW Turbodiesel engined Rover 75 Tourer - late as you can get" declared to be the cheap-as-chips and mechanically bulletproof purchase.

Just a thought.....

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - Trilogy

I like the 75 but the boot is too shallow.

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - dieselnut

What about a C5 Hdi Estate.

Massive load capacity & if you choose one with hydro suspension the load hight can be varied at the touch of a button.

Comfortable & good value for money.

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - brignac

Avensis

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - Trilogy

I believe the Avensis diesel is not good for a high mileages.

C5 has too many reliability issues. Unless I hear otherwise, I have a feeling from all I've read the 1.9 VAG Tdi engines take alot of beating and are renowned for being capable of 200,000 miles plus. The other engine is the pre HDi PSA engine, but most of those are now rather old.

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Well, you've rather boxed yourself into a corner haven't you?

Sill too high, (octavia) boot too shallow (rover) , Avensis not good for high miles, older HDI , erm too old, C5 not reliable etc.

Thing is - you're not spending a fortune in relative terms here - going for a 'status' car like an Audi A6 is going to get an old and/or higher mileage for the money (had one of those btw - 1.9 multitronic - ok but still had prbolems from new) , same true (value/age) of the Passat.

For that price you could be buying a well-used dog - so more important to focus on what's available & good condition/value imho - not go for a brand or be put off by minor inconveniences (like a high boot sill) or pre-digested nostrums about quality/reliabilty - especially from posters!

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - tanvir

Avensis 1.8 VVT-i Estate?

Not slow, apparently quite frugal for a petrol, much more reliable than the diesel (also apparently).

I have no first hand experience of one, but I've heard it suggested before so I thought I'd regurgatate it.

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - corax

Tanvir

I hate to burst your bubble but he wants a diesel estate, but you'd be right that the petrol Avensis is mega reliable and economical for a large car. The oil burning/faulty piston ring problem was sorted post 2003 allegedly.

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - Trilogy

woodbines, it isn't very easy to lift heavy items over a high sill - this not a minor inconvenience, hence the need for a low sill. I have an Octavia at the moment and lifting heavy items in and out is awkward. Rover boot is too shallow for what I need to carry, so no go. I wouldn't buy a multitrouble. My local indi has seen too many C5 s with L.o.t.u.s. problems. Prestige doesn't bother me, I've had a Skoda for more years than any other car I've owned.

tanvir, thanks for the Avensis regurgitation. Actually I've thought of a Corolla estate but not many about. I'm surprised no high mileage Ford TDci engine owners have posted.

Edited by Trilogy on 17/02/2011 at 19:36

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - 475TBJ

A6 is a stonking motor. We've had a 2.5 and 1.9 with each getting to just shy of 300,000 miles before letting go. Mind you the motor didn't go wrong just knew we had our moneys worth by then. A bit hard to find a beaut, looked after car but defo worth the wait. Just make sure it's been cared for and she'll see you right.

Now got a Pius, totally different kettle of fish mate.

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - bazza

I think Woodbines advice is spot on. You will get a much newer better condition Octavia Estate for your money, you're just paying extra for the badge remember, all the oily bits are identical! And to be honest, I think it's a massive over-generalisation to rule out the Avensis Estate on reliabilty reasons, chap at work has 160000 miles on an 2003 diesel for example.

Other cars to consider are Focus Estate, Mondeo Estate, your priority is full service history and pointers to careful ownership such as decent matching tyres, tidy interior, no obvious signs of abuse etc.

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - 475TBJ

Look bazza, you quite clearly haven't read Trilogy's posts. He doesn't want an Octavia with a high luggage sill. You're treating the guy as though he's one prawn short..............with your comments about paying for a badge plus all oily bits being identical. Who gives a kangaroo about age? Both my A6s were older than comparo Skoda for age but far better cars to drive. My Audis were preowned, beaut looked after cars before I put starship mileages on them. Mind you my local garage guy meant I didn't pay ripoff main dealer dollar. I've driven a Skoda so can tell the difference.

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - P E

Trilogy let me know what you choose as I am intersted in your decision. I haven't much relevent experience to pass on as I drive less than 7500 miles a year but I did own a 2001 mondeo estate and found it brilliant.

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - Kiltox

I believe the Avensis diesel is not good for a high mileages.

Really?

Doubt so many taxi drivers would be using them if they were.

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - Shaz {p}

How about a late model Pug 406 HDI estate and pocket the change?

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - Trilogy

I've read about too many HDi Peugeot Citroen expensive engine faults.

C5 is as ugly as sin, has an HDi engine and too many electronic malfunctions.

And with regards to an Avensis achieving 160,000 miles, I am looking for a car capable of a high mileage.

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - Avant

Before we go any further, Trilogy, tell us what your objection is to the Mondeo: lots of them around, petrol or diesel, and if looked after they can go onto high mileages. The only downside is that you have to look carefully for a good one as they can have been abused by a certai type of company driver.

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - corax

And with regards achieving 160,000 miles, I am looking for a car capable of a high mileage.

What is your definition of high mileage? Why did it take 3 passats to make you realise you didn't like them? If you're after a diesel capable of high mileage, the most reliable one out there is the 1.9 Tdi, you could be lucky with any common rail diesel depending on how it's been treated or you might not. I would have a warranty covering turbo, injectors, fuel pump e.t.c. on one of these, or have enough cash to put right any problems, and they could be very expensive problems.

With your budget, you're just going to have to take a chance.

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - Trilogy

250-300,000. I've heard of VAG PD and pre PD diesels doing over 300,000. The idea is to buy the right car and then forget about changing it for a long time.

Most Passats have a coalmine or funeral inerior. I might buy a Passat if one comes up which seems dead right. I've kept looking incase I was missing out. I don't really like the look of ugly (imho) facelift version nor the vertical back of a Passat. The earlier version seems to still make v.good (ridiculous) money which puts it in the same price bracket as similar age A6s.

Mundano bits you can't see are cheaply made, that's my indi's view, and I've read when they go wrong they go big time. I'd consider a Focus but they feel insubstantial after an Octavia. I'd also seriously consider an A2 if you could foi a towbar but apparently some numpty designed it so you can't.

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - corax

250-300,000. I've heard of VAG PD and pre PD diesels doing over 300,000. The idea is to buy the right car and then forget about changing it for a long time.

They should easily do this as long as you avoid the 2.0 PD with it's oil pump issues which can wreck the engine. Plenty written about this problem.

I've looked at Octavias myself but they're pretty thin on the ground, and certainly not priced as a budget VW, at least not anymore. The cat's out of the bag as to how good they are. I've looked at Focuses as well but I couldn't live with that plasticy interior long term. My mechanic reckons they're pretty good these days, and he thought he'd never say that, but I still think there are question marks over running one long term and at high mileage. It's a shame workshop tech isn't here anymore (VW/Audi specialist and worked on all other makes) - he had the same opinion about Fords as your indie, OK for the first 6-7 years but tend to fall apart after then, and some models suffer from poor quality ancillaries. One of my workmates has just had to replace the alternator on his Fiesta ST.

The A6 , if it's a good one, would be a decent car to run long term, but the parts that you can only get at the main dealers are expensive - Skoda is cheaper in this respect. It's a bit of a head scratcher - maybe only solved by upping the budget or being lucky.

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - daveyjp

A2 can have a tow bar, you just need to ensure it's not made of a material which causes the aluminium body to fail.

My A2 is still the only car I wish I still had.

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - Avant

"For that price you could be buying a well-used dog - so more important to focus on what's available & good condition/value imho - not go for a brand or be put off by minor inconveniences (like a high boot sill) or pre-digested nostrums about quality/reliabilty - especially from posters!"

That advice (from Woodbines, above) is so right for anyone (on this thread or any others) seeking to buy a car for under, say, £4,000. The priorities have to be in this order:

1 The type and size of car you want

2 Condition of mechanicals and bodywork

3 Make and model.

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - Trilogy

Thanks for the A2 towbar comment. I'll look into that.

Just about every single car I've owned has been a so called 'dog' being sub £2000 cars. Generally the cheaper the car the more reliable it is in my experience. My Octavia cost £2000 at 94,000 miles. Now nearly 6 years later has covered nearly 199,000 and apart from the VAG fault of failed window lifters and a broken engine mounting and gearbox linkage, has just had clutch, cambelt and servicing. My Micra was just £600, Fiesta £1400 and was taked up to 92,000 miles and was the most reliable car I've ever owned. Generally the more expensive the car, the more expensive it is to run. I suggest you look at bangernomics website which is run by James Ruppert.

off by minor inconveniences (like a high boot sill). This comment really takes the biscuit. Please read further back in this thread regarding Avant, I get the feeling neither you, nor woodbines, realises or understands that lifting heavy objects over a high sill is awkward and can be a b***** pain. I'm conscious that lifting heavy object over a high sill could do my back serious injury! I've stated a low sill as a requirement for good reason.

BTW a Laguna/Stilo/156 would fit your criteria to a great extent and and more so woodbines recommendations. I wouldn't have thought any would be a wise buy sub £4,000.

NB I always focus on good, well not good, excellent condition and good value. In 28 years of motoring I've covered around 700,000 mile,s with a total loss of just over £13,000 in depreciation. A friend's mother bought a petrol Focus for £14,500 and did just under 60,000 miles in 5 years. During that time she had a bill for £1500 at one time. I've never had a bill over £500. In the end she got £3500 at trade in. That's extremely expensive motoring.

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - Avant

Woodbines's well-made point that I was quoting was that condition should take precedence at this price level over make and model. If you have a particular need, such as a low loading sill, then that is part of priority 1 (type and size).

I wonder if an MPV (e.g. Zafira, C-Max, Verso or Mazda 5) is worth looking at in terms of sill height.

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - Trilogy

Thanks for all the advice. I nearly ended up with a Peugeot 406. Anyway my 205,000 mile Octavia TDi is going the kept for winter use, when I can live with a high loading sill. It's only worth about £400, so will I fit it with all weather Vredestein tyres, with the intention of keeping it indefinitely. I'm picking up my summer estate car this week.

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - Avant

Don't keep us in suspense: 'nearly a 406' but what did you end up with as your summer estate?

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - jamie745

Nothing wrong with a 406. Wont have a bad word said about it i will not!

I thought a summer car was meant to be low, red and sporty, and the winter car be old, grey and German?

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - unthrottled

I've never found much difference in the height of the loading sill of the boot of any estate-they are all about 25" +/-1". The only real difference is whether the sill is flush with the boot floor or not-that makkes a big difference to ease of loading. The height is a red herring.

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - jamie745

My father had a Granada Scorpio Estate back in 1995 i think and the rear of that was so big it was like a f***ing van.

In fact i used to drive a van which had less room in it than that. Is it me or can you not fit so much in estates these days? Seem big on the outside but we used to fit a whole house worth of stuff in the old estates my parents had. These days most would run a mile at a fridge.

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - Trilogy

Unthrottled, you sound like a 'red herring' to me. There's over 6 inches difference in loading heights between the worst and best sill loading heights. However, you're right about loading lips. The Octavia's sunken floor is brilliant for capacity but a b***** for getting heavy items out and in over with the drop. A false floor would help but the sill on the estate is high, although not as bad on my hatch. Mind you, the present model is even higher!

Jamie745, I like Granadas but they're very thin on the ground. I would have considered a 2litre/diesel if I could have seen one.

Avant, I'm collecting my estate later this week. I'll let everyone know the outcome soon.

One 406, which was advertised as a diesel but turned out to be petrol seemed to fit the bill. I actually went by train over 120 miles to look at a so called virtually immaculate, one owner, fsh etc one at a dealer. It was riddled with tiny dents on the flanks, the indicator stalk end was missing, the driver's side cushion bolster padding was worn so much you could feel the metal through it each time you got in and out, and the excessive valet still couldn't hide the car wasn't as well looked after as I was told. It had only done 112,000 miles. I went by train because I was convinced I was going to buy it going on the dealer's description. :(

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - corax

One 406, which was advertised as a diesel but turned out to be petrol seemed to fit the bill. I actually went by train over 120 miles to look at a so called virtually immaculate, one owner, fsh etc one at a dealer. It was riddled with tiny dents on the flanks, the indicator stalk end was missing, the driver's side cushion bolster padding was worn so much you could feel the metal through it each time you got in and out, and the excessive valet still couldn't hide the car wasn't as well looked after as I was told. It had only done 112,000 miles. I went by train because I was convinced I was going to buy it going on the dealer's description. :(

Some dealers can be lying toerags. I couldn't live with myself giving someone a false impression, especially when they've travelled miles to see the so called 'thing of beauty`.He didn't tell you it had been 'treated like a baby`, did he, like the one I had the misfortune to meet in order to look over a particularly shabby Golf GTi (Shards of glass in the carpet from a previous break-in).

:)

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - jamie745

When i used to sell cars i said it how it was. "79k, some history, big dent in the door" etc

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - SteveLee

I spoke for ages on the phone to a guy selling a car, I asked again and again if there are any major faults etc and that it'll take me hours to get to his address so I'd appreciate it if he was honest. He assured me everything was A1 - of course the car turned out to be an absolute wreck. I was livid, I punched the guy's lights out for lying and wasting my time. If a few more people took direct action people would be more honest with each other!

VW Audi Toyota Ford - Which diesel estate up to £3500 - Trilogy

A Merc, with a level loading height of just 18 inches, which is a full 10 inches less (25cm) than my Octavia, at 28 inches.

 

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