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Although I agree with the above sentiments a Yaris has little to do with Toyota ,Citroen Pug is more likely as they have the contract factory and the Yaris is just rebadged nothing wrong with them in fact one of the better small cars.
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You're thinking of the Aygo, Andy.
Agreed they come out of the same factor, but are worth thinking about because most Toyota dealers are of a higher standard than those for Peugeot or Citroen.
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I agree on both points its my age a senior moment.
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It makes me laugh when someone wonders if Toyotas are still worth buying after their 'countless' problems with accelerators and a few engines burning oil (which was sorted late '04 anyway). BMW's had thousands of engines with the nicasil bore problem, are people still buying them? Yes. Renault had problems with bonnets flying up and completely obliterating the drivers view at speed,and electrical looms burning out needing complete replacement. Are people still buying them? Yes. Ford had the famous Explorer problem of accelerators jamming, and the cars going out of control. Are people still buying them? Yes.
All manufacturers have the odd glitch when it comes to building cars, I'd say that Toyota has had far fewer glitches than many of the others.
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The 1.0 litre petrol engines in the Aygo/C1/107 are Toyota units - also used in the 1.0 litre Yaris as well. The 1.4 diesels were PSA units. Diesel versions of the Aygo/C1/107 are no longer imported into the UK as they offered no significant economy advantages over the petrol versions. The revised Toyota warranty (five years/100,000 miles) and the better dealer service from Toyota dealers (JD Power survey 2010) would make me plump for the Aygo in preference to the C1/107. Be interesting to see what effect the better Toyota warranty has on sales of the C1 and 107.
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Absolutely.
Buyers have good and bad experiences with most makes and models.
I am very surprised that a car which had not been serviced at all for eight years was able to do anything other than sit there looking sorry for itself. No oil changes? No lubrication? Nothing at all? If so, it's a testament to that particular model's robustness IMHO.
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Absolutely.
Buyers have good and bad experiences with most makes and models.
I am very surprised that a car which had not been serviced at all for eight years was able to do anything other than sit there looking sorry for itself. No oil changes? No lubrication? Nothing at all? If so, it's a testament to that particular model's robustness IMHO.
This was a 1985 car bought in 1996 when I was rather more naive and a lot poorer. However, this was in the era when cars were simpler and most of the electronics were in the stereo. I will admit it did the job until finally succumbing to lack of maintenance and rust, although I did change the oil and the plugs during my ownership.
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I think in the circs it served you well, in that case. A friend of mine has had a 1997 Camry for years and it has never let him down. If my Toyota is as good as that, I'll be delighted.
Are you thinking of buying another?
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The press just like to give whoever a good kicking. Doesn't matter what the issue is, although in this case it was a serious one which people deserved to know about. On the other hand, some of the scare stories put around by the more sensationalist titles were ridiculous.
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I think the anti-Toyota witchhunt was orchestrated to take the world's eyes off the collapsing US car manufacturers at the time, weakening Toyota also reduced the likelihood of them buying up GM/Chrysler for peanuts which is all they were worth a year ago.
The switch to a five year warrenty is great, it's about time a major manufacturer followed Hyundai's lead. Seven years like Hyundai's sister company KIA would have been even better!
Toyotas are bland but they are still the best cars in terms of dependability.
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I have just finished replacing timing chain on son's 2001 Yaris... 95k miles and prior neglect meant it was clapped out. VERY helpful Toyota parts plus mechanic gave advice on phone.. - the manual is misleading.
Toyotas are cheap to maintain and there is a fully published set of manuals on line for a reasonable fee.. The engineering makes them easy to work on and the d4d system on my Yaris is simple and easy to maintain...
Significantly, the quality of the electrical connectors and the wiring layouts are far superior to other small cars - eh Ford/Peugeot
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At least Toyota acted very quickly and sorted the problem, which wasn't a widespread issue. The five year warranty and good resale and reliability make them very tempting.
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The five year warranty and good resale and reliability make them very tempting.
Agreed regarding the warranty and reliability but the resale vaules are quite poor now. If you go looking for a Auris for example you'll find lots of really great value ones, they loose more than anything made by KIa or Hynudai in the first few years. Brilliant buys nearly new with virtually no miles on.
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This is a slightly unfair comparison. Yes the Ce'ed, Pro ce'ed and i30 do have a better resale value in terms of the used value as a percentage of list price - approx 4% better than the Auris. Although the lower list price of the Kia and Hyundai affects this (currently £11,295 for the Ce'ed and £ 12420 for the Auris). The i30 is not currently as good value new as this time last year - the cheapest now being £ 12,300 whereas last year it was £ 10,995.
When browsing the manufacturer websites for used cars up to 3 years old within a 50 mile radius, Ce'eds/Pro ce'eds ranged from £ 7000, whereas the Auris ranged from £ 7700. Whereas a similar search on the Ford site for the Focus, had 3 year old Ford Direct cars from £ 6,000.
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This is a slightly unfair comparison. Yes the Ce'ed, Pro ce'ed and i30 do have a better resale value in terms of the used value as a percentage of list price - approx 4% better than the Auris. Although the lower list price of the Kia and Hyundai affects this (currently £11,295 for the Ce'ed and £ 12420 for the Auris).
Not an unfair comparison at all, don't look at list prices as no one pays them. Toyota cars used to hold their value very well, Kia and Hyundai didn't. Seems to have reversed now, although in my mind a Toyota is a much better buy second hand at current prices, Kia and Hyundai are better buys new.
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Yes, admittedly few people do pay list price - although on some cars discounts can be as low as a couple of hundred pounds. Depreciation rates though, are caculated using list prices.
Edited by Auristocrat on 27/06/2010 at 22:57
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Depreciation rates though, are caculated using list prices.
And that's why you shouldn't take any notice of them.
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Which has just negated your original point entirely
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Which has just negated your original point entirely
eerr no Auristocrat, I said "they loose more than anything made by Kia or Hynudai in the first few years" I made no mention of deprecition rates (your the one that did that). I'm talking in cash terms and the loss you'll make on prices paid.
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Sorry, this only applies to the latest generation of Kias and Hyundais such as the Cee'd, Soul, Venga. i20 or i30, rather than anything made by Kia or Hyundai. Cars such as the Rio and the Matrix, both of which are still sold in the UK as new models, lose cash value more quickly than equivalent Toyotas.
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Sorry, this only applies to the latest generation of Kias and Hyundais such as the Cee'd, Soul, Venga. i20 or i30, rather than anything made by Kia or Hyundai. Cars such as the Rio and the Matrix, both of which are still sold in the UK as new models, lose cash value more quickly than equivalent Toyotas.
Not the case, if you check the Rio it keeps it value well, you'll not find a year old one less than about 6k considering they didn't sell for much more than this its kept value brilliantly. The Matrix of which very very few are sold again is worth quite a lot after a year (mainly because they're are still in dealers hands) , about the same price as an Auris, of course the Hyundai cost less in the first place!
Now if we were comparing Toyota against Chevy that would be a different matter, Toyota would wipe the floor.
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Rio's currently range from £ 7900 to £ 11,200 - with one year old used examples costing less than £ 6000, by the time you take into account part exchange prices, dealer margins, etc, selling owners will still be losing around £ 3000 plus.
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>>Significantly, the quality of the electrical connectors and the wiring layouts are far superior to other small cars - eh Ford/Peugeot
This is where Japanese cars shine, and why the late shape Nissan Micra is nowhere near as highly regarded by mechanics compared to the old shape after they adopted Renault electrics.
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>>Significantly, the quality of the electrical connectors and the wiring layouts are far superior to other small cars - eh Ford/Peugeot
This is where Japanese cars shine, and why the late shape Nissan Micra is nowhere near as highly regarded by mechanics compared to the old shape after they adopted Renault electrics.
The Nissan- Renault link has certainly pushed Nissan down the rankings, as a lot of newer Nissans seem to lack the near perfect reliability associated with the old shape Micra and Almera. My Almera has already needed a new gearbox after 3 years, fortunately done under warranty, and things like this don't inspire confidence.
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I'm sorry, but without meaning any disrespect, Glenn your comments about some other cars says to me that you're a worrier and will never be happy.
One Hyundai Elantra gives some fairly run-of-the-mill trouble at five years old, and all of a sudden this extrapolates to ALL Hyundais falling apart clown-car fashion on their fifth birthday. Repeated over and over and over again every time Hyundai is mentioned on the forum.
Now an old, neglected Toyota is bad because it developed a few faults and didn't break down.
Just buy a mid-2000s Renault diesel. Once. And then come back here and say Japanese cars are unreliable.
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Re the Nissan's gearbox. What went on your Hyundai again? Transmission.
Pattern starting to build here. Fix your driving style -- two transmissions in succession, from different manufacturers, don't fail without reason.
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Re the Nissan's gearbox. What went on your Hyundai again? Transmission.
Pattern starting to build here. Fix your driving style -- two transmissions in succession, from different manufacturers, don't fail without reason.
Aye, I remember buying a 140,000 mile Honda CRX with a knackered gearbox (2nd and 3rd whined like hell) 25,000 miles and one year later it was still going strong when I sold it for more than I paid for it.
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Re the Nissan's gearbox. What went on your Hyundai again? Transmission.
Pattern starting to build here. Fix your driving style -- two transmissions in succession, from different manufacturers, don't fail without reason.
Not what you expect when you have the car for three weeks( the Nissan) and the gearbox goes at 19,000 miles. Could have been the previous owner's fault, but I have heard a few reports of gearboxes going on Almeras prematurely. The clutch on the Hyundai I could possibly understand, though, as a new by pass was being built and traffic congestion on the old road which was horrendous with 2 mile tailbacks. However, a spent ECU proved to be a very painful on cost at the time. Oddly enough the most reliable car I did own was one which the critics despised, a Proton MPi that in two years only needed a new tyre and a cam belt change. This really was a reliable car.
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I agree wholeheartedly with Auristocrat. Toyotas are still good cars, and my elder daughter is on her fourth 1.3 Yaris - all bought new from the excellent Octagon Toyota at Bracknell.
Lots of manufacturers have to recall cars, some for more serious issues than others, and I still don't understand why the press had such a field day at Toyota's expense.
As GM & Chrysler are now basically owned by the US Government, various senators took every opportunity to throw well-aimed, very public rocks at Toyota, whilst keeping the press onside. Also Toyota factories in the US aren't unionised, whereas US car manufacturer factories are. The Democrats, like the Labour party, are still beholden to Union interests and funding. The rest writes itself.....
Some of the accusations and inferences they made were totally disproportionate to the gravity of Toyota's recall. You'd think Toyota had poisoned the entire US domestic water supply.
Good old-fashioned propaganda......
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Thanks for that - protectionism is, unsurprisingly, alive and flourishing in the USA.
"Good old-fashioned propaganda......" Propaganda - something that only a proper goose will believe.
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