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You can't get 69 litres in a Mondeo. Wrong receipt I'll bet. Get it checked though, why not phone garage and ask them if they had anyone else query their bill or the till didn't balance for example. Do they have cctv ?
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Have an '05 plate 130 bhp TDCI (hatch). Can say from experience that even with trip computer showing '0' miles until empty (and showing that for up to 10 miles), it can still only take 61, maybe 62 litres, and that is by taking for ever to fill it to the brim.
69 litres really sounds like the wrong receipt / pump.
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You are overfilling your Mondeo if you can get upto 62 litres in a 58.5 litre tank. Motorcyclists might be in danger from your tank spilling the excess. And spilling it from the filler neck is wasting you money - but could kill someone.
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>>You are overfilling your Mondeo if you can get upto 62 litres in a 58.5 litre tank. Motorcyclists might be in danger from your tank spilling the excess. And spilling it from the filler neck is wasting you money - but could kill someone. >>
Hi, RTJ. Understand your concerns. I ride bicycles (fast), and also have a full bike licence, and would not do something that would risk lives of other bike riders, whether motorised or pedal-powered. Agree with you that the tank has a notional capacity of 58.5 litres. Fact is the vent system will not allow fuel to escape, provided the cap is firmly on. If I thought there was any danger of me leaking diesel onto the road, then I simply would not fill it to the brim.
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The tank has a capacity of 58.5 litres so you are also filling (avoiding the pump cutting out) the pipe from the filler cap to tank. I personally don't understand why someone would do that. The diesel Mondeo goes quite far before the fuel light comes on ;-) And you'd have to have the pump going slow to not have it cut out and risk having diesel down the side of your car and over your shoes.
But I accept you know it will not leak so fair enough. You still couldn't get 69 litres in though. You'd have shoes smelling of diesel/petrol ;-)
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The Mondeo definately has a 58.5 litre tank. If the receipt says 69 litres then it's not in this car! In fact few cars have tanks that big. I know quattro Audi's have about 80 litre tanks because it "balances" out over the 4x4 system. A FWD Audi A6 has a smaller tank than a 4x4 Audi A6.
So this could be a mistake at the garage. It happened to me once. Someone paid for my petrol and then I kicked up a fuss about paying for theirs as it was for more. Sorted out in the end.
Or it could be petrol (but not 69 litres) and as cheddar says you COULD be lucky there was fuel in the filter/pump/etc to get 5 miles. But with petrol being thinner and lighter and diesel I kind of doubt that.
Lets all hope you're unlucky in paying for 69 litres of someone elses petrol ;-)
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SWMBO came home after refuelling her diesel with a receipt that showed Petrol and Diesel from pumps 2 and 6 . (despite only fuelling with diesel on pump 6)
although she was only charged for the diesel.
Just shows though, that a receipt can show the wrong fuel.
Does the receipt match the pump she filled up at?
regards
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I'm sorry BUT if it was petrol, whether the lines were full of diesel or not is irrelevant.
The fuel system circulates unused fuel back tto the fuel tank so after 30 seconds of running the car would be on a diesel/petrol mix. If it was 69 litres or 49 or 39 ny now the engine would have died.
So 99% certain it's a wrong bill. (or a very very tough pump and engine!)
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I'm sorry BUT if it was petrol whether the lines were full of diesel or not is irrelevant. The fuel system circulates unused fuel back tto the fuel tank so after 30 seconds of running the car would be on a diesel/petrol mix. If it was 69 litres or 49 or 39 ny now the engine would have died. So 99% certain it's a wrong bill. (or a very very tough pump and engine!)
Got back from work, bus was hell!
Sniff test - this is def petrol, i even put a long piece of thick string down removed, and well away from everythng i have done a flamable test and it exploded, so it is petrol.
I have looked at the receipt again my mistake it was 59 litres not 69 apologies, I know it was very empty as it had done more than 600 miles since saturday.
If it should have conked out after a few hundred yards, then somthing is odd as it got home and it is at least 5 miles, (drive it most days). I suggest the fuel filter or lines hold enough petrol to run it at 45 mpg, then to do 4/5 miles you would need 10% of a gallon which would be (maths not my strong point) about half a litre.
AA tell me they will no longer drain fuel, local garage quoted hour labour and about £250 for disposal (£4 a litre) Ford garage said they would want to replace injectors, and lots of other fun things at a total cost min of £500!!
Yes the car is fairly new but has also done close of 150,000 so far so goes up by about 800 - 1000 miles a week so i will know very quickly if there is a problem with pump, injectors etc. PX not an option too many miles
Local garage said they would come back to me tomrrow and see if we can come up with a deal ie flush through from injection system back through to tank, new filter for total of £200 as they know fuel could be reused.
On price my wife though 1.03 per litre was cheap not the total, that aways frightens her ! Shame she is not so sensitive to clothes prices !!!!!!!!!
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my Pug 505 diesel got 10 miles before it cut out having filled it from nearly empty with petrol. Syphoning without a pump is a very tedious business - also quite nerve-wracking and the constant exposure to the fumes isn't pleasant.
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When I was a student - I mistakenly filled my Citroen AX diesel with a full tank of unleaded.
Didn't know what to do back then as it was a Sunday, so no garages open.
Used to commute for a work placement job - round trip of 90 miles, so was pretty frustrated. Tried a syphon kit but that was useless.
Took the next day off work, bought a valeting (carpet wash) vacuum cleaner hoover (£30 from argos) and 'carefully' removed the fuel, by disconnecting the fuel feed to the hand primer.
Not brightest thing to do in hindsight - but worked very well!! Still got the vacuum cleaner.
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Edited by Shaz {p} on 18/01/2008 at 16:58
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Two items-even if it has a tank capacity of 58l.,I doubt you would get more than 54/55l. in.and it would not just run on the filter capacity of diesel,it recirculates.
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using a hoover is probably the most dangerous thing you could ever do! You were lucky it was diesel & not petrol. The fumes from fuel would of been drawn through the electric motor & sparks from brushes could of lit the fumes & you would of gone into orbit!. Draining fuel is incredibly dangerous & I wouldn't recomend anyone doing it to save a few quid.. Garages that have draining facilites have sealed tanks with anti spark systems & earths etc to prevent any risk even from static.
On you tube there is a women who filled her car up with fuel & the static from her clothes caused a spark & lit the vapours coming out the filler neck ! Caught on CCTV
DO NOT USE A HOOVER TO EMPTY FUEL TANKS PLEASE!
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J Clarkson did that in a studio in controlled circumstances, made quite bang!
Re diesel recirculating, irrespective of that the amount it would draw through the filter in 5 miles would *probably* mean that raw petrol had not got to the pump.
The injectors have clip on recirc tubes, uncliping one of these would be an easy way to see if petrol had got through.
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Got back from work, bus was hell!
Sniff test - this is def petrol, i even put a long piece of thick string down removed, and well away from everythng i have done a flamable test and it exploded, so it is petrol.
I have looked at the receipt again my mistake it was 59 litres not 69 apologies, I know it was very empty as it had done more than 600 miles since saturday.
If it should have conked out after a few hundred yards, then somthing is odd as it got home and it is at least 5 miles, (drive it most days). I suggest the fuel filter or lines hold enough petrol to run it at 45 mpg, then to do 4/5 miles you would need 10% of a gallon which would be (maths not my strong point) about half a litre.
AA tell me they will no longer drain fuel, local garage quoted hour labour and about £250 for disposal (£4 a litre) Ford garage said they would want to replace injectors, and lots of other fun things at a total cost min of £500!!
Yes the car is fairly new but has also done close of 150,000 so far so goes up by about 800 - 1000 miles a week so i will know very quickly if there is a problem with pump, injectors etc. PX not an option too many miles
Local garage said they would come back to me tomrrow and see if we can come up with a deal ie flush through from injection system back through to tank, new filter for total of £200 as they know fuel could be reused.
On price my wife though 1.03 per litre was cheap not the total, that aways frightens her ! Shame she is not so sensitive to clothes prices !!!!!!!!!
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Common-rails will not usually re-start on petrol. As this one doesn't have a tank pump, it would have started on pure DERV and only sucked petrol through once it was well off the forecourt.
Once running, even on near-pure petrol, they tend to keep running until you idle them or the pump gives up. The more knackered the HP pump, the better.
I've never seen the absolute need to fit a new filter; a flush-out and refill is usually all that's needed.
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"Local garage said they would come back to me tomorrow and see if we can come up with a deal ie flush through from injection system back through to tank, new filter for total of £200 as they know fuel could be reused."
Take their offer - the thought of you syphoning 59 litres of petrol, storing and disposing of it frightens me - we all learn from (and have to pay for) experience - your wife won't make the same mistake again! - but don't take liberties with that amount of petrol!
Good luck!
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Just make sure it is not started, even turned over on the starter until it has been flushed and the pump has diesel in it.
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Got there in the end, when i removed the fuel pump it had some diesel in the outflow pipe but petrol in the inflow, lucky I would say
What you need:
Donor vehicle (my case old ford galaxy)
12 or 14mm sturdy tubing, stronger than hose
3 mm tubing
Funnel to fit 3mm tubing
Deep Breath
A liking for petrol would be good
What we did
You can get to the tank by syphoning using the 12/14mm pipe, as someone had already mentioned it does take a good 2 meters to reach properly, be careful not to damage the filler valve.
Syphone most petrol out and directly put into donor vehicle (we got out all out the tank until the miles left on the gauge had dropped to nil and stopped moving down.
Stage two, remove valves from fuel filter and blow using the 3mm tubing back through to the tank you will have to hold your fingers over the other outlets this will be hard but after a few puffs you will hear bubbling in the tank.
Top up fuel filter using funnel and keep blowing though this will clean filter and lines.
Re syphon tank into fuel container as will be well mixed.
Replace all fittings
Fill up with fresh diesel, bleed system, fingers crossed all seems to work ok, we will see if any damage to the fuel pump in due course.
Edited by Pugugly {P} on 19/01/2008 at 13:52
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Now you've done it mondy, the doom and gloom brigade won't ever speak to you again.
Well done though, saved a good wedge and no doubt reuse the mostly petrol in due course.
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Glad you got it sorted. SWMBO did this in our Scenic a few months ago, but thankfully realised what she'd done before she started it, and before she'd added more than 7 litres.
Local garage drained, flushed and fitted a new filter for £125 "cash". I just don't have time to do this stuff in the week any more.
Cheers
DP
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there was a comment the AA stopped draining fuel. Sure I read somewhere they were going to have vans that provide a mobile draining service. Checking... It's on their website as AA Fuel Assist. £150/170 + vat depending on membership status. Advantage is they come to you.
Edited by rtj70 on 19/01/2008 at 16:18
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There was some press coverage a couple of weeks before Christmas. The photo was of a AA pumping van "assisting" a misfuelled RAC van.
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www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/news/aa-fuel-assist....l
In fact they still do and provide a competitive service even for non-members.
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I thought competitive but for op probably thinking he would also lose £60 of petrol.
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Agreed he was lucky enough to have a solution to the storage of £60.00 worth of petrol (and a taste for petrol !).
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So you now have a Galaxy with a mixture of Derv and Petrol in it??
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A little diesel only maybe tops 2/3 % runs fine so far
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Is that Piesel or Detrol ?
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about 1 litre is diesel and 59 litres is petrol
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