Fifth Gear - M25 Crash - Chris M
Error of Judgement?

Am I the only person who feels C5 should have dropped the item on driving a Sierra under a lorry this evening, in view of the tragedy on the M25 today?
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - injection doc
i quite agree chris, at least we should spare a thought for all the families & friends of those who lost there lives in that tragedy & those involved in the recovery.
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - hcm
They also had a piece on a motorbike. I'm sure several people will have died this weekend in motorbike crashes, but to axe every show with any connection to a fatal accident would be over-sensitive.

Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - bell boy
a terrible loss on the road this morning i really agree
but
as hochi says
you cant pull plugs on programmes because of it
im sure the families would agree in the bigger picture

again really sad
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - David Horn
I think it's unlikely the families would be watching Fifth Gear at this time anyway.
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - bristolmotorspeedway {P}
No, they were right to show it. Pulling elements of TV shows everytime there is an accident is an over-reaction. Didn't Top Gear pull their train crash safety stunt a few months ago due to a train accident?
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - Rumfitt
No they were right to show it. Pulling elements of TV shows everytime there is
an accident is an over-reaction. Didn't Top Gear pull their train crash safety stunt a
few months ago due to a train accident?


They actually went ahead and showed it. In what might have been an important safety message watched by millions, good old JC made his comments cringingly flippant and throwaway, thus neither entertaining us nor informing us...

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Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - bristolmotorspeedway {P}
They actually went ahead and showed it. In what might have been an important safety
message watched by millions good old JC made his comments cringingly flippant and throwaway thus
neither entertaining us nor informing us...

Ah, I was out of the country at the time, but thought I had heard that it was pulled because of the Virgin trains accident. Sounds like a shame that Top Gear missed a chance to make a serious point, especially given that they must have invested a reasonable chunk of tax-payers' money in staging the crash which highlighted a very serious problem.
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - jase1
From what I can gather the crash wasn't the same type as the one on the 5th Gear programme.

Hate to sound callous, but people die on the roads every day. If TV companies were to cancel pieces like this every time there's a collision, they'd never be shown.

The crash does look particularly nasty, but I am left wondering if it would even have made the national news had it not happened in London.
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - rtj70
A week ago today on the A1 (near Ainderby Quernhow) we saw the aftermath of almost the same accident as this:

tinyurl.com/2ypz4a

A Transit type pickup from HSS Hire had gone into the back of an HGV. Only one passenger but similar and obvious damage. We had to wait for the air ambulance (A1 southbound) for over an hour but north closed for hours longer.

As I say a week ago and one fatality with near identical accident.... no main news. Is it 1 vs 6 dead or north vs. south?

My feelings go to the families. Having been in a collision with an HGV from behind last year.... and survived. So is someone now going to legistate on the girder construction of HGV trailers... Euro NCAP anyone?
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - Altea Ego
Is it 1 vs 6 dead or north vs. south?

I dont doubt there is an element of london news being national news, but yesterday evening I was stuck in a Q on the A3 at kingston. Road closed for an hour, 1 dead.

Made the news? No.
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - Altea Ego
The crash does look particularly nasty but I am left wondering if it would even
have made the national news had it not happened in London.


6 dead in one accident? in a recovery vehicle with the minibus on the back? on a stag night?

Even If it had happened in the outer hebrides it would have made the national news.


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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - jase1
I very much doubt it -- although in fairness this smacks more of "slow news day" than north-vs-south on reflection.

If the reason the story made the main news is the stag night thing, then that is a damning indictment of modern journalistic practices. A mundane story made newsworthy by an unfortunate coincidence. Bad journalism, especially as this is portrayed as, quote, "one of the worst crashes for 20 years" on the M25, which I find very hard to believe.
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - henry k
Bad journalism especially as this is portrayed as quote "one of the
worst crashes for 20 years" on the M25 which I find very hard to believe.

The quote I read was
"Supt Rob Price said the crash could be the most serious accident the Surrey force has had to deal with on the M25 since it opened in 1986"
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - Stuartli
>>If the reason the story made the main news is the stag night thing, then that is a damning indictment of modern journalistic practices. A mundane story made newsworthy by an unfortunate coincidence. Bad journalism, especially as this is portrayed as, quote, "one of the worst crashes for 20 years" on the M25, which I find very hard to believe.>>

Complete conjecture and way off the mark, including the comment about a "slow news day."
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Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - Baskerville
Even If it had happened in the outer hebrides it would have made the national
news.


... two weeks later.
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - tack
National News? I thought that anything that happens in the USA is our national news, we are so in thrall of it.

The general thread here is that TG and FG & other similar motoring progs are becoming trite, boyish pranks and yee-haw without being informative. It's because the public appears to need to be entertained these days, not just informed. Everyone seems to be plugged in to another world, iPod, WII, X-Box etc on trains, buses, in cafes etc. No one appears to be content to watch the world go buy whilst sipping their Choca-mocha-capo-latte. Ergo, the Hamster, JC, etc will continue to ham it up and act like frat-house adolescents because there is a market for it. There is a place for it, but not in my place. Fair do's to those who continue to watch and be entertained.

I prefer to get my motoring news/advice from a magazine (and from HJ I hasten to add). It lasts longer & is more informative.
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - Dynamic Dave
Didn't Top Gear pull their train crash safety stunt a few months ago due to a train accident?


All they did was to suspend showing it for a couple of weeks.
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - jase1
All they did was to suspend showing it for a couple of weeks.


Train crashes tend to be rare events, but tend to be catastrophic when they do happen. As such, it is appropriate to put off train-crash related pieces when disasters happen.

Car accidents, for better or worse, are routine incidents unfortunately, but thankfully they rarely involve more than a handful of people.

You can't really compare the two when it comes to cancelling shows because of an incident.
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - pendulum
I watched Fifth Gear. I didn't even link the program with the M25 road crash. They were hardly identical accidents.
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - bristolmotorspeedway {P}
Train crashes tend to be rare events but tend to be catastrophic when they do
happen.

ONE person was killed in the Penrith derailment. Yet, you are correct - the media tend to view all rail accidents as catastrophies. I appreciate they are newsworthy because of their rarity, but the coverage is always far too dramatised and seeks to portray rail as an unsafe method of transport.

Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - component part
Am I the only person who feels C5 should have dropped the item on driving
a Sierra under a lorry this evening in view of the tragedy on the M25
today?


Don't really see where you're coming from with that one...this kind of 'knee jerk' reaction from people like yourself would certainly be included in any summary of what is wrong with the country today.
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - oldgit
I watched 5th gear tonight for the first time in ages and whilst it seems a tad more amateurish than, say, TG it held my interest for 45 mins. However, I did not give not even think about the day's tragic events whilst watching it - why should I? Tragedies happen every day, of one kind and another and I would have thought that it would only have affected anyone connected to the poor victims in question and they would surely not be watching anything like this would they?............... would you?
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - ForumNeedsModerating
Probably simple production dynamics meant that the programme couldn't be re-structured that quickly - FG was likely 'in the 'bag' by last Wednesday-Thursday, i.e. all editing done on filmed stories & and links completed - and most presenters off on their May Day weekend. So, little flexibility to re-shoot or re-edit items to fill that (fairly long) item.


That apart, the programme 'idea' of forensic analysis of tedious stunts is dubious in my view. I'm no longer 14 and three-quarters & excited by the idea of car crashes - stunts or otherwise, still FG must do their focus group stufff & surmise an audience for that type of nonsense.


Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - oldgit
- stunts or otherwise still FG must do their focus group stufff & surmise an
audience for that type of nonsense.


They're all nonsense, of course but it seems unlikely that we are ever going to have a serious motoring programme, which is a paradox really when one considers how important motoring and cars are and how it/they affect our daily lives.

It seems that both TG and FG now feature, essentially, rubbish stunts accompanied by loud music and fancy, annoying photographic effects and we can never have a reasonably, serious assessment of the cars the average person drives (certainly not on TG, anyway) - a great shame.
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - Armitage Shanks {p}
Totally agree with Oldgit. For what cars cost and the part they play in our lives we need a televised version of What Car's group tests of small hatchbacks, family saloons or whatever and not Clarkson roaring around burning the tyres off cars we can't afford and never even see on the road! Total hear hear re music too - why do we need this junk drowning out the speech. Mind you sometimes the junk music is better than the really junk commentary!
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - Altea Ego
You wont get it.

Motoring progs like that dont get people tuned in. The audience is too low

which is why you dont get them.
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Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - runboy
In the age of the internet, clips and programmes containing crashes etc can be had 24 hours a day. If you don't want to view, turn over the TV or don't click on that video clip link.
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - daveyjp
They tried a bit of an in depth review of the C class on 5th Gear, but no matter what he said I couldn't get over how awful it looked in white! Whilst it seems to have many features, how many are standard?
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - Armitage Shanks {p}
There must be about a million new cars bought privately each year. Don't these people want some guidance on where to spend £10K plus? Perhaps not?
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - oldgit
You wont get it.
Motoring progs like that dont get people tuned in. The audience is too low
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which is why you dont get them.
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >


Classical music is a minority interest but we still have a BBC radio station devoted, in the main, to it i.e. Radio 3 although this has, in recent months, been dumbed down but not quite to the levels of Classic FM, YET!. This maybe a poor analogy, I know.

The point is I almost feel like turning off the likes of TG and FG because they are so futile but still watch in the hope of an improvement -so far this has not happened especially to the former where I find my attention span being sorely tried to its limits.

I know that things aren't right when I keep on looking at my watch or clock or use FF>> if it's been recorded.
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - Chris M
"...this kind of 'knee jerk' reaction from people like yourself would certainly be included in any summary of what is wrong with the country today."

Well I'll hush my mouth next time as I wouldn't want to spoil this country any more for you than it already is. I would suggest that the others here, albeit a minority, who agree with me, should do likewise - we don't want any personal opinions spoiling the Back Room, do we!
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - Altea Ego
Thats ok chris, now you are a minority you can claim to be persecuted and get protection.
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - ForumNeedsModerating
>.They're all nonsense, of course but it seems unlikely that we are ever going to have a serious motoring programme, which is a paradox really >>when one considers how important motoring and cars are and how it/they affect our daily lives.

Yes, agree oldgit - to take that analogy to 'houses' for instance - could you imagine a housey-housey type
program being devoted to seeing how quickly people could bash-up the roof for fun, or a guide to £10 million houses
for sale in Monte Carlo - er,hmmm, hang on a minute, might be onto something here....

Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - component part
Hush up if you like-suits me.

I wasn't trying to tell you you can't have your own opinion, I was merely voicing my opinion, of your opinion.

Ok, it was a bit of a sweeping statement but I'm sure others can see where I'm coming from; the whole molly coddling, nanny, politically correct type thing. I mean, take the blinkers off. The world is a dark and dangerous place, every day thousands of accidents, rapes, murders, child abuse, fraud, shootings, stabbings. What would we watch if we made the kind of connection you have made at the start of this thread? Crazy
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - midlifecrisis
Thank goodness for Fifth Gear. Without them I wouldn't have been aware that if I drain all the oil out of my engine, then rag it around a race track, the engine will suffer terminal damage!!!

What a completely pointless piece of garbage!
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - Dynamic Dave
Thank goodness for Fifth Gear. Without them I wouldn't have been aware that if I
drain all the oil out of my engine then rag it around a race track
the engine will suffer terminal damage!!!


What would have been more interesting was to either fill it back up with oil and see if it actually ran again, or perhaps put one of the many "snake oil" additives in beforehand and then drain to see if any of these products actually worked.
Fifth Gear - Error of Judgment? - FotheringtonThomas
I assume you're talking about a TV show. First I've heard of it. IMO the only error of judgement is watching such "light entertainment" with any expectations in the first place.