Reliability Index - catalyst2
We are to buy a new car for round about 10K to cover between 6,000 and 10,000 miles/year. First and foremost, we want reliability.

I have looked at one or 2 Reliability Index studies but I have no idea how these are worked out, etc. I'm curious though as to how relevant they are.

Are these various Reliability Index figures that one can find on the Net (especially the Warranty Direct one) that "reliable"?
Reliability Index - jase1
The "reliability" index is in effect a cost of ownership index; cars which cost more to repair but are still very reliable will sometimes rate poorly by their figures, ie Mitsubishi, Subaru.

Best to look at a range of different sources, ie JD Power, Top Gear, Which etc, and see what patterns emerge.

To summarise what these reports generally conclude, French/Italian bad, Japanese excellent, Korean good, VW/Vauxhall/Ford average (although Seat and especially Skoda seem to do very well). There is some variation but that's what keeps coming up time and time again so you have to say that there must be some truth in it.
Reliability Index - type's'
The whatcar.com site publishes an annual J D Power survey which is IMO usually a good source of such information.
As jase says above - if its relaibility you are looking for as number 1 priority then I would suggest Honda, Toyota and Subaru. 1st choice would be Honda based on experience.
Reliability Index - type's'
jase - I'm suprised youv'e got away with calling a VW average on this site.

Reliability Index - jase1
jase - I'm suprised youv'e got away with calling a VW
average on this site.


Heh -- it's not me, blame JD Power!

I'm quite happy to accept that VWs are good cars, if a little overpriced for what they are ;)
Reliability Index - tyro
- if its relaibility you are looking
for as number 1 priority then I would suggest Honda, Toyota
and Subaru.


Agree with those three - and would add Mazda. Mazda has the advantage of being usually being a little less expensive than the other 3 - so you could get more for your money.
Reliability Index - type's'
Good point about Mazda - they are very good handling cars as well now.
British Workers Build Great Cars - type's'
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And don't we know it.

This is the latest reliability survey from whatcar

www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/default.html?apc=311234...2

Link changed to the real source which you can link to by clicking the Reliability Index banner above. HJ.
British Workers Build Great Cars - Armitage Shanks {p}
Quote from the survey

"Congratulations are due to the thousands of British workers responsible for building some of the most reliable cars on our roads today"

More like "Congratulations are due to the management who moved the workforce into the 21st Century and stopped them being a bunch of unionised clock watchers and gave them some pride in their work and their product"
British Workers Build Great Cars - cheddar
if its relaibility you are looking
for as number 1 priority then I would suggest Honda, Toyota
and Subaru.>>


Going by the What Car RI manufactures index then it would have to be Honda, Ford, Mazda, VW and Skoda ahead of Toyota and Subaru.
British Workers Build Great Cars - nick
A look behind the headlines is always a good idea with surveys and indices. For example, Subaru can come out not too brilliantly in the Warranty Direct survey due to the high repair costs but look at the types of car Subaru makes. A good proportion of Subaru's sales are high performance Imprezas which will tend to be used hard on the road and track. So, surprise surprise, things break and the costs of bits is high thus a less good rating. Take the Impreza STi out of the equation and I bet the numbers would come out very differently. The Legacy is about as bullet-proof a car as you can buy.
It would be more useful if the manufacturers were compared in different market segments, comparing sports cars with sports cars, people carriers with people carriers etc.
British Workers Build Great Cars - Honestjohn
For reference:-

38,000 vehicles were surveyed with an average age of 4.9 years.

Top 10 Vehicles

1 Honda Accord 99-03

2 Honda Civic 96-01

3 Lexus IS 99-05

4 Volvo S40 96-04

5 Nissan Micra 98-02

6 Volvo V40 96-04

7 Jaguar X-Type 01

8 Mini 01

9 Peugeot 106 96-04

10 BMW 3-Series 94-01


Bottom 10 Vehicles

102 Fiat Coupe 95-01

103 Saab 9-5 97-01

104 Land Rover Range Rover 95-02

105 Jaguar XK8 96-06

106 Land Rover Freelander 00-06

107 Land Rover Freelander 97-00

108 Audi TT 99-06

109 Fiat Multipla 99-04

110 Renault Laguna 00

111 Renault Espace 97-02


Manufacturer Rankings


2006 figure out of 30 2nd figure shows 2005 Position

1 Honda 1

2 Lexus 5

3 Mini n/a

4 Nissan 4

5 Toyota 3

6 Citroen 24

7 BMW 17

8 Peugeot 16

9 Vauxhall 19

10 Ford 20

11 Mercedes-Benz 10

12 Rover 27

13 MG 22

14 Porsche 14

15 Jaguar 23

16 Volvo 13

17 Volkswagen 15

18 Skoda 9

19 Alfa Romeo 26

20 Fiat 18

21 Seat 12

22 Audi 28

23 Saab 29

24 Jeep n/a

25 Renault 25

26 Landrover 30

British Workers Build Great Cars - Engineer Andy
Where was Mazda in the overall manufacturers' list? I can't believe more Jeeps were sold (and on their list) than Mazdas.

I wonder if the lists that give ratings based on the breakdown experience over an X year period count all the petrol and time off work taking the cars in for repairs under warranty (e.g. niggling electrical faults, leaks, recalls, etc), as the customer does not pay for these, plus the actual cost to the manufacturer of this.

No suprise why the more reliable make make more money.
British Workers Build Great Cars - type's'
I agree with you Armitage - the problem is it iwas foreign (trained) management and not British management that did it.
British Workers Build Great Cars - catalyst2
Thanks to all of you for all the info and suggestions.
British Workers Build Great Cars - Aprilia
Quote from the survey
"Congratulations are due to the thousands of British workers responsible for
building some of the most reliable cars on our roads today"
More like "Congratulations are due to the management who moved the
workforce into the 21st Century and stopped them being a bunch
of unionised clock watchers and gave them some pride in their
work and their product"


You ever been into a car factory or is this comment the result of reading too many Daily Mail editorials? They just needed some decent designs to build and some decent 21st Century (foreign) managers - not the poor excuse of an old boys club that we've had since the 60's.
 

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