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But how did they get the address in such a short period of time to send the fine surely it is still showing a sorn at the DVLA until the new owner has sent in all the relevent details and then it takes a few days to actually get on the data base.Even the police cannot guess the ownership all their records must also come from the DVLA a car parked outside someones house could be anybodys .
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When I sold my car I posted the V5(?) off the next morning and within a few days had a letter telling me that the ownership had been transferred.
You don't have to be reported by anyone to get a fine for car tax - the computer automatically sends them out to the owners of vehicles that have either not been renewed or SORN by their due date.
You messed up - pay the fine and stop bleating.
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Not so much messed up, as took a calculated risk that didn't pay off this time. Personally, a potential £12-15 saving didn't justify the risk of a £145 fine.
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Obviously you're not allowed to make any human errors these days!
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No human error involved - he decided not to renew the tax on it until he didn't have to pay for a whole month to get a day or two.
Understandable, and illustrates a stupid rule IMHO, but he took a risk knowingly and got stung.
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at one time people that bought cars off me i explained that they needed to tax it straight away as it was either sorned by me or whats known as 'in the trade',unfortunately every body knows everything these days so they
a .dont listen
b...dont care
c....think they are above the law
d....all the above.
youve been caught out youve been nicked now pay up
i usually find that people who drive away cars with no tax dont usually insure them either,when did i last see this?now let me think? oh yes it was yesterday.
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at one time people that bought cars off me i explained that they needed to tax it straight away as it was either sorned by me or whats known as 'in the trade',unfortunately every body knows everything these days so they a .dont listen b...dont care c....think they are above the law d....all the above. youve been caught out youve been nicked now pay up i usually find that people who drive away cars with no tax dont usually insure them either,when did i last see this?now let me think? oh yes it was yesterday.
I could have not put it better myself!!!
Cheat the sytem, and the sytem will give you a damn good hiding that is if you're not a full time chav. It's people that do 'little' wrongs that get hit the hardest imo. However, stop crying and pay up!!!
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he decided not to renew the tax on it until he didn't have to pay for a whole month to get a day or two.
When I was in that position when I bought my Vectra, the garage worked out what one twelfth of a yrs RFL was and put the approx equivalent amount into the fuel tank instead. In other words, 11 mnths RFL and something like £15 in the tank.
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You don't have to be reported by anyone to get a fine for car tax - the computer automatically sends them out to the owners of vehicles that have either not been renewed or SORN by their due date. You messed up - pay the fine and stop bleating.
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pologirl - i.mo.: i doubt whether the automatic fine that you describe applies for one day of ownership without a tax disc. but no dount you will think me arrogant and patronising for holding that opinion.
i.m.o.; the automatic fine applies as follows " from 1 February 2004 DVLA have been enforcing ?continuous registration?. Specifically vehicle keepers who fail to re-licence within eight weeks following the expiry of the old licence are now being sent a letter stating that they have committed an offence for which a fine is payable and requesting that the keeper either re-licenses their vehicle or declares the vehicle off road (Statutory Off-road Notification ? SORN). "
policeman left a card with her, saying that we would not be fined but to tax it first thing on monday.
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stuartr1977 - can you clarify exactly what the police card stated.
also, exactly what does your fine state. what/how is the £149 worked out?
have you been fined under "No Vehicle Excise Licence" not displaying a vehicle excise licence contrary to Section 33 of the Road Vehicle (Registration and Licencing) regs 1971
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Yesterday (29th September) I received a £149 fine for this offence.
oh yeah, and by the way if stuartr1977 gets his dates wrong so easily, can we be sure he got this bit right [ " I bought a car on the afternoon of the 30th June" ] ? :: ;-0 :: !
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The new car tax (vehicle licensing) rules mean that since 1 January 2004, the registered keeper of a vehicle (the person named on the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency?s record) remains responsible for taxing it or telling DVLA that it is being kept off-road by making a Statutory Off Road Notification (SORN).
To avoid liability for taxing it, the keeper needs to inform DVLA when the vehicle is off the road, or has been sold, transferred, scrapped or exported. Once DVLA has been notified about a sale/transfer or that the vehicle is off-road an acknowledgement letter will be issued, which should be kept as proof that the vehicle record has been changed.
What happens if you do not re-license your vehicle?
The new rules mean that keepers who fail to re-license their vehicle (or declare SORN) will incur an automatic penalty of £80 (reduced to £40 if paid within 28 days). Those who ignore the penalty could receive a County Court Judgement against them, could be stopped by the police, and/or have their vehicles clamped. Determined offenders will be faced with prosecution and could be fined a minimum £1000.
DVLA carries out a computer check each month to identify those vehicles without a valid tax disc. Although the new rules mean that it is no longer necessary for the vehicle to be seen on a public road before a penalty is issued current on-road enforcement will continue.
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no dount you will think me arrogant and patronising for holding that opinion.
That seems a little unnecessary. I wouldn't see why anyone would think you arrogant and patronising for what preceded that, but this bit itself is certainly so.
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.. I wouldn't see why anyone ..
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to see why, you need to look up previous comments by pologirl in response to my posts.
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Probably better for all if you don't carry the baggage round with you though Dalglish...
smokie, BR Moderator
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Having checked with a friend at the DVLA there is not a cat in hells of this happening if the time scales are correct ie Friday to Sunday nor would the police have the relevent data on there files ,if the time span was a little longer say a week then its quite possible.
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Buying a car on the 30th June and not taxing it until 29th September (sic) deserves a fine.
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Car bought on 30th June 2006 from Garage. If driven/parked on road that date by new owner then no Excise Licence in force and duty is payable for that month.
In any attempt to license after this date it is a very serious offence not to declare such use on the application form - making a false statement to obtain an Excise Licence.
If Licence not taken out then should have taken it off the road and declared SORN. If parked on a road SORN will not cover use without an Excise Licence.
DVLA, as far as I am aware, only have the authority
under The Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) (Amendment) (No. 3) Regulations 2003
to impose an £80 supplement (reduced to £40 if paid within 28 days) where they check their records and find unlicenced and unsorned vehicles as outlined in the post above.
The Police off their own bat cannot prosecute/fine using a vehicle without an Excise Licence. To do so they have to report the breach to DVLA who then authorise a prosecution which goes to Mags Court and fine together with the amount of duty that has ben unpaid imposed. Police however can issue a Fixed Penalty Ticket for failing to display a current Licence.
I am not sure just when the vehicle was eventually licensed but that so far quoted does not in my book add up to being given a £149 charge from DVLA unless just recently licensed and DVLA are claiming back duty on the months missed but to do so they must have some evidence of the use of the vehicle on a public road during the months missed.
More information needed.
dvd
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...I am not sure just when the vehicle was eventually licensed but that so far quoted does not in my book add up to being given a £149 charge ...
agree with dvd. (as this is in line with my previous post). the £149 seems an odd figure.
it would seem from stuart1977's first post that the car was taxed on monday 3rd july.
my hunch is that his tax has somehow been misallocated on the database to some other vehicle, and that his car probably still appears untaxed on their database, and he has been fined the £80 plus the back tax due as from 30 june (£69 for june, july, august and september ?).
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I thnk it's safe to assume that there is a little more to the story here.
interestingly , no further comment from poster.
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"the £149 seems an odd figure"
Let me explain, it's called psychological pricing. You price something just below a round number and therefore people think they're getting a bargain.
Oh, no, wait......
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Bang to rights IMO
I can see three poor excuses in the OP's post,
1. no time to tax it Friday because of work - yet had time to go and pick it up.
2. forgot insurance docs - why, has he never taxed a car before ?
3. couldn't get back to PO in time after excuse 2 - I know some shut at 12 o'clock Saturday, but should've gone earlier i.e. first thing.
OK anybody could make any of theses mistakes, but all three ??
He could have collected all the docs Friday, got it taxed Saturday morning then picked it up Saturday afternoon.
Probably the officer had second thoughts after considering the above and reported it anyway.
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... OK anybody could make any of theses mistakes, but all three ??
agreed. too many excuses there for my liking.
however, the reason i suspect something has gone wrong after he taxed it on 3 july is because he says
"...I immediately tried to tax it online but was unable due to the engine size (?!?) ...."
seems to me that maybe his car and the dvla records do not match up.
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It might not have been those Officers. It could have been a covert report by CLE2/6 by an on duty or even an off-duty Officer (cue more gnashing of teeth). The Police don't prosecute these its down to the DVLA.
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Don't see why ots a farce eithe runless the booking officer's pants fell down.
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And he had to have couselling for trauma because the miscreant was unable to smother an unseemly snigger.
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if you bought it in 30th June and taxed it from the first of July I would write to them enclosing a copy of the registration document showing the transfer date and a copy of the tax disc obviously showing the date and ask them to explain the amount of the fine.
Despite what the pack of wolves howling at the first sniff of blood say,it could be that the dealer cashed in the tax disc and you are now being fined for the time it sat on his forecourt untaxed or unsorned as you were technicaly on the road with an untaxed car.
the dvla themselves are not perfect as I had to chase them for nearly 2 years to get a v5 sorted out
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Rubbish!
The org poster knew he was commiting an offence - so stop crying and pay up.
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Whilst we're on the subject of car tax, I noticed a friends 6 month old Merc did not have anything written or printed on the tax disc (eg. registration number, price). It is stamped correctly with a "Dealer" stamp. Is the driver (which was me last weekend) commiting any offence? It was supplied like this by a MB dealer - I wonder what else they missed off the PDI?
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the details will have faded in the sun (modern ink eh? rubbish)
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It´s a bit annoying this - someone logs on, gets a shedload of free advice, is asked for more info so he/she can have further advice, and promptly disappears.
People, eh.
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he might be indisposed helping the long arm of the liour............
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he might be indisposed helping the long arm of the liour............
om you are the most creative speller.... were it not for your handle I wd attribute this to a rather unusual success of the modern way of teaching people to read.
But since you claim to be old, something I haven't done since my late forties, I have to conclude that you are doing it on purpose.
Excellent!
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I read liour as in Inspector Clussoe from the "Pink Panther"... OM I assume we were meant to read it as a frenchman would say law :-)
Am I right Oldman ;-)
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It´s a bit annoying this - someone logs on, gets a shedload of free advice, is asked for more info so he/she can have further advice, and promptly disappears. People, eh.
Is it surprising, given the ammount of flack he has received from some people earlier on in this thread. I can't really blame him for not coming back--can you?
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I can't really blame him for not coming back--can you?
he is probably busy filling in his self assessmen tax return to meet the 30 sept deadline.
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Nah he will do that Monday then complain about the fine
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