EU wants all cars equipped with emergenc - Robbie
Is this yet more interference by the EU or a positive development?

"The European Union executive unveiled plans Thursday to equip all new cars sold in the EU with an emergency transmitter to ensure rapid medical help in the event of a crash.

Around 2,000 lives could be saved a year once the automatic emergency call ("eCall") technology is in place, the European Commission said, targeting a start date of 2009 for the devices.

The transmitter would be activated automatically by pressure sensors that would detect a sudden impact, or manually by an injured occupant of the car, and send an SOS via the EU-wide emergency call number 112.

The emergency services, through specially adapted call centres, would receive the signal and immediately locate the car by satellite to dispatch an ambulance crew.

"With this technology, your car could save your life," EU Information Society and Media Commissioner Viviane Reding said.
The commission unveiled its plan after contacts with EU governments and the auto industry which it said showed that the eCall technology could be fitted in all new cars "as soon as 2009".

The devices would be embedded in the car's electronics with only a button visible on the dashboard, Brussels said.
The commission said it would like to see field tests carried out next year.

But for the technology to work throughout the EU by 2009, member states' emergency services will need to upgrade their call centres "at the latest in

The commission, however, said the plan already had more than 20 signatories drawn from the EU and the auto, telecoms and insurance industries all committed to its success.

"Advanced information and communication technologies have great potential to improve road safety in Europe," Reding said, pointing to the commission's legal green light given last month to anti-crash radar technology.

The technology could spell the end of smashing into the car in front, or bumping into out-of-vision obstacles in car parks, according to Brussels."

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EU wants all cars equipped with emergenc - keo-the-dog
be prepared for ambulances turning up at all hours of the night outside your garage with police etc to gain entry to the vehicle which has been in an accident all because something has gone wrong as i have no doubt it will, and it's gonna be expensive. ...cheers...keo
EU wants all cars equipped with emergenc - mare
I'm pretty sure that Ford have for some time offered this on the Focus in Europe.

Sounds positive to me: you hit tree / car / other obstruction or drive off cliff (doesn't matter how), and the emergency services are automatically summoned when you may not be in a position to summon them yourself.

Also the single button on the dash to call the police would help with car jacking - press the button and the police follow the signal.
EU wants all cars equipped with emergenc - somebody
This sounds like the 'ONSTAR' system in the USA.

Most new GM vehicles over here have it.

They advertise it showing how for example a young kid calls for help using it while their parent is unconscious, or somebody is lost and becomes ill, and the Onstar organisation can track them and direct an ambulance right to them.

Law enforcement also love it, if they want to eavesdrop on you, they simply have Onstar turn on the system in your car and they can hear everything you say, wherever you go!

EU wants all cars equipped with emergenc - Sofa Spud
Good idea in principle but obviously needs careful design or police will be turning up to parking bumps or (10 years on) old bangers going into the crusher!

Cheers, SS
EU wants all cars equipped with emergenc - henry k
Also the single button on the dash to call the police
would help with car jacking - press the button and the
police follow the signal.

>>
Sadly, if the evening is too quiet and boring then just smash the window of any nearby car and press the button.

There are enough false 999 calls now.
This new technology will save the walk to a phone box and there is no queuing and no voice recognition to overcome.

The basic concept is good but I suspect it will over stretch scarce resources.
EU wants all cars equipped with emergenc - Manatee
Yet more expensive, interfering and unnecessary nannying - is there nothing we can take responsibility for ourselves?

I resent paying people to come up with this rubbish almost as much as I will object to having £500 added to the price of my car for something I don't want or need.
EU wants all cars equipped with emergenc - john deacon
with the number of cameras already following me, and logging the reg number whenever i go, it really is getting out of hand

1984 is coming all too true

i spent today in what must have been the most over policed half mile in england, half a dozen police bikes, lots of cars marked and unmarked, vans full of them, more police on the streets than normal folk, very strange exprience, no idea what was going on, they were however very hot on stopping people for no tax disk, since i was on foot it was hilarious to be wandering around in among all this, probably a copper beaten up there recently or something - no idea, anyways am pleased to say was let to my wandering around business and have no been locked up without trial on a politicans say so
EU wants all cars equipped with emergenc - somebody
Don't forget, manatee, in the UK alone you have six million people on the public payroll, with their associated pensions and benefits to fund, with many many millions more in Europe. They have to keep coming up with stuff like this, otherwise they'd have to get jobs where they're forced to design, build or sell actual products and services people could use, which is much harder.
EU wants all cars equipped with emergenc - mare
Yet more expensive, interfering and unnecessary nannying - is there nothing
we can take responsibility for ourselves?


I think that the point of this is that it will summon help precisely when you are incapable of doing so i.e. unconscious in a car leaking fuel. But maybe I'm wrong
with the number of cameras already following me, and logging the reg number whenever i go, it really is getting out of hand >>


I really don't follow this argument, does it matter? Do you think that someone is really that interested in what you get up to?

EU wants all cars equipped with emergenc - john deacon
Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Article 12

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

As far as I am concerned the nanny state plotting my position at all times is an arbitary interference with my privacy
EU wants all cars equipped with emergenc - keo-the-dog
Universal Declaration of Human Rights
Article 12
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy,
family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and
reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law
against such interference or attacks.
As far as I am concerned the nanny state plotting my
position at all times is an arbitary interference with my privacy

so how do they know it's you in that car and that you haven't loaned it to me ... i actually agree in principle with what your saying just think maybe your a bit paranoid...cheers...keo
EU wants all cars equipped with emergenc - john deacon
the nanny state plotting the position of my car, whether im in it or not, is also an arbitary interference with my privacy

EU wants all cars equipped with emergenc - keo-the-dog
the nanny state plotting the position of my car, whether im
in it or not, is also an arbitary interference with my
privacy

i am trying to point out that because they can do something doesn't mean they actually will or at least not specifically ...cheers...keo
EU wants all cars equipped with emergenc - Blue {P}
I don't think that the system will plot your whereabouts all of the time, only if activated by an accident.

Of course with a system like that it could always be overidden and activated on demand...

John, do you carry a mobile phone? If you do then the state already has the power to track your every move to an accuracy of within a couple of hundred feet anyway, all they have to do is cross-reference the cell site information. It's a straightforward procedure which can be used to trace 999 callers from mobile phones under certain circumstances. I don't see that as any different to having a GPS system linked to a mobile phone built into the car.

I personally wouldn't mind having this installed in my car, I like the idea of getting help at the touch of a single button, I used to have my bluetooth car kit set-up with 999 on speed dial and found it quite useful on one occasion.

Blue
EU wants all cars equipped with emergenc - Schnitzel
"Law enforcement also love it, if they want to eavesdrop on you, they simply have Onstar turn on the system in your car and they can hear everything you say, wherever you go!"

Of course that is the real reason they want it, one by one, they are taking away our liberties to "crack down on crime" and "fight axis of evil (imaginary or otherwise). They are creating the problems and selling us their solutions. Sheep-like people will bleat up the usual "I've done nothing wrong, I have nothing to fear" that they heard on the TV. Once all liberties are lost, the plan will commense, and there will be nothing we can do about it at all.
EU wants all cars equipped with emergenc - Manatee
I think that the point of this is that it will
summon help precisely when you are incapable of doing so i.e.
unconscious in a car leaking fuel. But maybe I'm wrong


I'm sure you're not wrong mare, but this will probably help 2 or 3 people a year and is a disproportionate answer to an almost non-existent problem. It's a bit like the "save a life at any cost" demands for railway safety - you can spend a couple of billion to save a handful of lives a year when a tiny fraction of that amount will have the same benefit spent on road safety.

And unlike rail safety, if anyone is seriously worried about going off the road in an isolated place and being unable to summon help, they can buy their own emergency kit.
EU wants all cars equipped with emergenc - Schnitzel
All mobile phones sold in the last couple of years have E911 chips or better for locating the user, as soon as you phone for help, they know where you are anyway, even the AA use this and say we know where you are and to leave your phone on. This latest proposal is just another nail in the coffin of freedom, by control freak governments, it will be used to gather data about the movements and associations of their opponents such as Potter's Bar rail survivors, Liberty and Livelihood, Countryside Alliance, Fuel Protesters, Tibetan Protesters etc....
EU wants all cars equipped with emergenc - mare
All mobile phones sold in the last couple of years have
E911 chips or better for locating the user, as soon as
you phone for help, they know where you are anyway, even
the AA use this and say we know where you are
and to leave your phone on. This latest proposal is
just another nail in the coffin of freedom, by control freak
governments, it will be used to gather data about the movements
and associations of their opponents such as Potter's Bar rail survivors,
Liberty and Livelihood, Countryside Alliance, Fuel Protesters, Tibetan Protesters etc....

Boy, are you paranoid or what?

I really do not give a stuff that someone somewhere can detect that i was in the pub yesterday lunchtime, or in the chip shop the other night. So what, it says more than about them that they're interested than that i am worried about it.

Back to motoring. I don't care that someone somewhere knows that my car (and therefore me) travelled from Bath to Bristol, to Weston super Mare (brief pause on the seafront) and then back to Bath for 11. So what!??!

I DO care that should i have carelessly driven off the cliffs on the toll road in Weston, or ended up upside down either side of the A368, that something in my car has summoned for help, and i can concentrate (if i'm still with it) on getting me and the family out. An emergency kit is no good if it's in the boot, and a mobile phone is no good if it's fallen out of my pocket and gone under the seat. None of it is any use if my leg is trapped in the crushed footwell and i'm screaming my head off in pain.

Look on the bright side. If the bogeymen from the Department of Making People's Lives Misery come to get you, you will be able to demonstrate that you were nowhere near the alleged incident at the time by virtue of the fact that you had your mobile phone on you, won't you.

There really are other things to worry about, but you carry on worrying about intrustion etc, and I'll worry about my next pint and pay cheque.

EU wants all cars equipped with emergenc - Retro
Freedom is the ultimate thing to worry about!

Lets not forget millions of people gave away their lives so that we could have it.

If technology can do something, the authorities will use it if they can to justify their own existence and obtain more revenue from "law breakers". It is up to us to stop them creeping the boundary forward.

My view is they cannot put auto tracking on all cars as the gneral public would go mad. Therefore they sneak it in with auto 999 or whatever it will be called, leave it a year and then say anyone facing a ban gets his sentence reduced if he is a good boy and has the device fitted then all of a sudden it is obligatory.

EU wants all cars equipped with emergenc - Robin Reliant
Politicians hate freedom, it makes them nervous. Being able to track every vehicle movement to the metre gives them a feeling of total control, which they like.

As for this "if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear" argument, anyone who goes through their entire life with nothing to hide really should get out more.
EU wants all cars equipped with emergenc - mare
As for this "if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to
fear" argument, anyone who goes through their entire life with nothing
to hide really should get out more.

That made me laugh!
EU wants all cars equipped with emergenc - patently
That made me laugh!


And me ... I shall remember that for future use!

Seriously, there has been a steady erosion of motoring and other liberty. No individual step has ever been large enough to cause controversy, but the progress made has been significant.
EU wants all cars equipped with emergenc - Retro
My point entirely!

If they (politicians, EU etc) were honest and did it all straight away, there would be an outcry. Hence the guerilla tactics, picking off an odd group here, solving a non-existent "problem" there....after a number of years they have got what they want.
 

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